Would you trust a double barrel to save your life?

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I'm with Clint Smith on this one.Alot of folks cannot afford an expensive shotgun like a Benelli or tricked out Remington or other options.You can defend yourself if you know how to run the gun.Many folks have grandpas war bring back 1911 or P-38,etc,they can be used quite efficiently.Many inexpensive but servicable SxS out there and many people already have them.Check out Clints short video on this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhgwHQCJwWw
 
I'm comfortable with my coach gun. I own a Mossberg...for duck hunting. I keep my 20 gauge coach gun bedside along with my .357 magnum and my daily carry, usually a 9x19. My coach gun is for safe room barricade.

There are plenty of doubles that I would consider reliable and high enough quality for HD work. The Stoeger would not be on that list.

And, you'd prefer a 300 dollar Remington express? :rolleyes:

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The gun you use every weekend, or one much like it, is likely going to be far more effective in an unexpected fight than the "best" gun that hasn't been fired for three years, and not more than a few times then, and is full of under-the-bed dust bunnies.
 
I've dragged around an old Baikal coach gun for ten or more years. The nice thing about a coach gun is that it is so much shorter and handier than a pump. For instance, you can stick it in a pack with the butt hanging over your shoulder for a quick draw- try that with a pump!
If you stick two shells between the fingers of your left hand like cigars, you can replace the two spent shells pretty quickly and your rate of fire (for at least the first four shots) is pretty quick. Your first two shots are much quicker than a pump gun.

Anyway, with slugs it's my hiking gun. With buck it's my primary home defense gun.

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I've been hunting for 40 years with a SxS, one sort or another. I know how to run 'em effectively. They're natural for me and very quick on target.

I'll be taking my old Sarasqueta 12 SxS hog hunting next couple of months, buckshot only rules, state land. It's a 28" gun, not a coach gun. I'd prefer my coach gun, but I prefer bigger than 3 buck 20 gauge on hogs. It'd be nice to have Kodiak's Baikal for the quick draw thing as that's what I've got rigged up on my backpack, but I can carry the thing while hunting. I've got some stuff ordered loaded with .375" round ball, supposed to be invented for hogs using "buck shot". Has 8 in a shell, seems better than 12 or 15 standard 00 to me. I plan to back it up in the left barrel with a 3" slug (God help my shoulder) if the buckshot miffs him off. Rules or no rules, I don't wanna get sliced and diced. That gun shoots slugs like a rifle, amazingly well regulated. Kicks like all HELL, though.
 
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I would, and do.

Its an old Wards Western in 16 gauge. I keep it unloaded, but with loose ammo close at hand, and as you can see, its got 2x 4/5th oz rifled slugs and 4x #1 buckshot in the shell cuff. I cut it down from 24 to 18.5" almost immediately after buying it, and its just so compact and natural pointing. Note the size comparison to the 59/66!
 

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Years ago, a unmarked police car had in a custom rack what looked like a 18" 12 ga side by side.
As everyone is aware, the cops can usually carry what ever they want.

The expression on a bad guys face with a cop pointing that him must of been priceless. Those barrels are big enough around to roll bowling balls down em.

I have taken many pheasants with a double 20ga. They work very well.
 
Not my preferred HD gun (Moss 500 18.5") but if I had my coach gun handy I'd use it. Only problem is mine does not have exposed hammers, and I do not like to leave it loaded since there is no way to decock it and the safety on an old double only blocks the trigger, not the hammers.
 
It wouldn't be first on my list, but it would do.

I wouldn't go with that Stoeger defense model. I don't think barrel porting on a home defense weapon is a good idea.
 
Yes, I have the Baikal coach gun and

it will do just fine for home defense if you learn how to use it. I have taken many quail and dove with mine here on my farm too. It is light, short and much more compact for home defense than the pump guns. I also have an old Remington 870 too I keep in the barn tack room loaded up but for around the house I prefer the smaller Coach gun. Snoop
 
wrong thread but I thought I would give my own .2 but we have a bunch of pistols laying around my house so my go to is my XMd in 40 S&W
 
Not my preferred HD gun (Moss 500 18.5") but if I had my coach gun handy I'd use it. Only problem is mine does not have exposed hammers, and I do not like to leave it loaded since there is no way to decock it and the safety on an old double only blocks the trigger, not the hammers.

I keep my 20 gauge Remington Spartan (Baikal) hammers down on live ammo. All I have to do to cock it is open the barrels, then close 'em, ready to go. In order to get it in "condition 2", one simply snaps the hammers on snap caps, pull off the fore stock, and open the breach. The hammers cannot cock with the fore stock off. Load, reassemble, ready to store hammers down on live rounds. No need for those stupid hammers on a gun I hunt with. Hammers are for CAS shooters, not dove hunters. :D

This doesn't work with my Sarasqueta as it does not have rebounding firing pins, the pins protrude with the hammers down. I can store it with the load off the springs, but I can't leave live rounds in it. The Spartan, though, does have rebounding firing pins/hammers.
 
I'm no real expert like some of the CAS folks, but I can get two hits on two targets in a rather short time frame with either variety of twicepipe shotgun.

But I can also do that with an 870, 500, 37, 1300, etc, and still have a few rounds on tap if they brought friends.

Confederate cavalrymen during The Late Unpleasantness had a firepower advantage over their Union adversaries with the doubles they were issued or brought with them to war. The Union was issuing short barreled ML carbines and musketoons (Smoothbore carbines) so the Rebels had a 2:1 advantage.

When the Union troops were issued Spencer and Henry repeaters, the flower of Southern manhood withered and was consumed in the meatgrinder.

I'll use a double until I can get to my 870s....
 
It's less about the weapon and more about the user's skills. If that's what you have and you practice a lot with it, especially reloading, I'm sure it would be effective. Having said that a person of an equal skill level is likely going to have an advantage with a pump shotgun.

On a side related note, my wife is ok with me bringing a firearm when we travel in our car. With kids and all of their associated stuff, she starts to complain when I bring a long arm and its only roll is self defense (vs. social shooting with friends or hunting). At that point, she is happier if I bring just a semi-auto pistol. Marriages are give and take so I don't always feel like pushing the issue. I mentioned to her that a SxS would fit in my soft luggage when broken down into two parts and she was fine with that to bring along. So, there may be other benefits to a SxS that have nothing to do with capacity. I can't be the only person who faces this kind of issue.

I'd much rather have a SxS plus a pistol than just a pistol by itself. I'd likley transfer from SxS to pistol after the shotgun runs dry.
 
Never had the plug out of my pump's magazine. I don't wanna forget it when I go duck hunting, could incur a nice fine. My auto, a Winchester 1400, only holds one more round than does my coach gun. If I thought I needed more rounds in a shotgun and that my pistols couldn't back me up, I'd buy a Mossberg 590 so that I'd be in zen with the manual of operation. :D But, 2's enough. If not, I have 11 in my 9x19 in the pocket of my pants next to the bed, 6 in my .357 magnum by the bed, and 5 in my little NAA .22 back up in the other pocket of my pants. If they're still coming, screw it, I've lived long enough and it must be God's will. There's really nothing in this house worth some punk risking that sort of firepower to get at, trust me. Can't take it to hell with you.

I view a shotgun as safe room defense. If I have to leave the bedroom, (will try not to, have a cell phone) I'll take the 9. If the knock turns out to be a cop, I won't be as embarrassed (or dead). I've answered the door to a cop before, couple of times. Latest was about 6 months ago when a bunch of kids was stealing from cars. Our car's door was open and they got my GPS.

I'm a decent pistol shot. I don't think my 9 will bounce off anyone and weapon retention is a lot easier in a struggle.
 
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One intangible has also been forgotten thus far in this conversation so I will avail upon myself to correct it.

The twin staring eyes of impending doom bring with them forthwith an intimidation factor that can make even a hardened criminal wish that he was elsewhere.

In most instances where a gun is used in personal defense, the defender does not have to pull the trigger. If bringing up a SxS makes the intruder surrender and I don't have to shoot him so much the better.

If you have to fend off enough people in your home where you need 8 shots, you screwed up your security layers in a huge way. You have also won the undesired one in a million home invasion lottery since you somehow advertised that you are a soft target with lots of wealth.
 
Yes. I have other choices available too.

If I have to face a jury (I shouldn't but one never knows) I would rather them see a coach gun than a Tacticool Tommy shotgun. The local PD can abuse the hell out of my coach while it is booked as evidence and I wouldn't really care too much.

I have a fatal funnel in my Apt. and this is where I would deploy it. I strongly doubt that even if the goblin has friends with him that they'll be in much of hurry to advance upwards after they have to climb over their friend who is now a pile on the stairs.
May I ask why you would not want a jury to view your tricked out shotgun? IMHO, if one meets the standards for use of deadly force it does not mater what firearm, or ammo one may load. The tools used commiting the deed do not matter.

If you were found unjustified in use of deadly force, then you will be eating lots of Bologna sandwiches.

Another question is, why would the law enforcement people abuse your firearm as it was being cataloged into evidence? IMHO, they learn in cop school how to manage evidence.
 
I bust a lot of pheasants & quail with mine MCgunner. Where can I find some steel chokes for SPR-220 that wont break the bank? I wanna drop some Snow-Geese with it.
 
I have a fatal funnel in my Apt. and this is where I would deploy it. I strongly doubt that even if the goblin has friends with him that they'll be in much of hurry to advance upwards after they have to climb over their friend who is now a pile on the stairs.

I'm getting a vision of the 300 Spartans at the pass of Thermopoli. :D

I bust a lot of pheasants & quail with mine MCgunner. Where can I find some steel chokes for SPR-220 that wont break the bank? I wanna drop some Snow-Geese with it.

Replacement chokes are $18.50 http://www.choketube.com/choke-tube-product-details.php?Baikal-Choke-Tubes&mf=2 Mine came with 5 chokes, cylinder through full. I leave the IC and Mod in it for doves and have used those on Teal, but it don't pattern real well with any 3" 20 gauge steel shot I've yet tried, so I sorta prefer my 12s on ducks and my 10 gauge H&R for snow geese. :D I have to try some 3" fasteel BB in 12 gauge on geese sometime, though. They might work a bit farther than normal steel loads, but that 10 really reaches out there on those bluebird days especially late season when it's hard to bring 'em down.

I picked up a twice pipe 10 gauge a guide had once on a goose hunt. That danged thing musta weighed 15 lbs. :what: My H&R is 9 lbs and isn't bad to shoot. I looked for a double gun when I was looking for a 10, but all I could find is the H&R, the Browning BPS, and the Remington Mag 10 or whatever they call that auto. Well, I didn't wanna spend a fortune on a goose gun as I don't hunt 'em a whole lot, mostly ducks. And, I started goose hunting with a single shot 16, so the H&R brings back good memories if nothing else.

I think my next gun will probably be a O/U since I don't have one, would like a Browning Cynergy, but I would also sorta like another 12 gauge auto in camo finish or at least a plastic stocked gun. My little twenty gauge Spartan gets used the most, though, as I really like to shoot doves and that thing is a dove killin' machine. :D It makes a good combo gun, trail gun, and home safe room defense gun. It's just all around the most versatile gun I've got. But, I don't bother with it on waterfowl due to the 20 gauge chamber and steel shot laws. Another double in 12 would be cool, but kick like hell. LOL
 
Absolutely, but it isn't my first choice. If that is all I owned, I'd be well practiced, and make sure it was reliable.

Geno
 
May I ask why you would not want a jury to view your tricked out shotgun? IMHO, if one meets the standards for use of deadly force it does not mater what firearm, or ammo one may load. The tools used commiting the deed do not matter.

I live in the Democratik Peoples Republik of California. We have a great penal code for unwanted intruders...I'll highlight a key word in it.

CPC 198.5 Any person using force intended or likely to cause death or
great bodily injury within his or her residence shall be presumed to
have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great
bodily injury to self, family, or a member of the household when that
force is used against another person, not a member of the family or
household, who unlawfully and forcibly enters or has unlawfully and
forcibly entered the residence and the person using the force knew or
had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry occurred.
As used in this section, great bodily injury means a significant
or substantial physical injury.


In the event that I have to use force and in the event that I end up with a D.A. who has an agenda and wants to make a name for himself (not like that has ever happened;)) he will paint the situation that I wasn't in fear and I will have to face a jury. In a declared good shoot you don't face a jury. If I have to face a jury I don't want to have a Counter Commando'ed out gun displayed that paints me in a bad light as some crazed guy waiting for a chance to kill some hapless guy who accidently entered the wrong residence.

I want a gun that will help make my defense and that could include that the perp. was either crazy or drugged out of his skull because EVERYONE knows that no one in his right mind will advance toward a man pointing a double barrel. Even a Gun Fearing Wussie juror will find that plausible. Since my front door is at the bottom of the stairs, and I am not cutting off his opportunity to retreat any forward movement can be viewed as fear of imminent peril. It helps to know and understand your States use of force laws. :D

Here, the shooting will be investigated as a homicide and subject to the D.A.s discretion. We don't have Make My Day or full on Castle Doctrine; this comes close but close isn't always good enough. If I say anything that could be construed to negate my fear I could be charged with Murder 1 or 2.

As far as the P.D. taking good care of my firearm before during and after the case; I have seen otherwise. I bet on not being able to get it back without jumping through numerous hoops. They can have my Stoger or my Mossy's, but they can't have my Italian O/U's.

Another question is, why would the law enforcement people abuse your firearm as it was being cataloged into evidence? IMHO, they learn in cop school how to manage evidence.
I sat as a juror on a case where the rustball presented as the weapon "used" in the crime and bullets "matched" to it was an evidentiary reason for aquittal. That thing was was frozen shut and the defense asked how they could match a bullet to a gun that clearly was incapable of firing. It may have been the same make and model as the one shown in the pictures to us but it certainly wasn't in the same condition. In the managing of evidence, there are many hands and fingers involved and many chances for abuse, neglect, etc. Need another example...look at the Katrina guns; hundreds of examples of conficated weapons that were mishandled.
 
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