jerkface11
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Umm why not?
suppressor or HK91?
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Umm why not?
AK103K
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And the cans arent?
The HK's are no dirtier or more of a pain than an AR to clean.
Depends. I paid $5-600 for my 91's and sold them for about $2000 each also made a good amount of money on all the extras. Anything HK will bring a premium. No loss there.
With the can, you need to find a buyer, and deal with the transfer. I know, its not a biggie if your into NFA items, but it does turn most of the unknowing people off.
I can believe that. Those stocks on the rifle caliber guns are not fun to shoot. With a standard A2 type fixed stock, they are fine.
No, cans are not.
The only rifle cans that need cleaning are for 22LR.
223 cans do not need internal cleaning. The proper way to clean them is with an ultrasonic cleaner or soak in some kind of solvent anyways, no human effort is expended.
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Ptr 91f
I would just recommend the PTR 91F from CDNN Sports. $999 out the door brand new with Match barrel and pre-ban flash suppressor. Built on HK equipment in the good ol' US of A.
I would just recommend the PTR 91F from CDNN Sports. $999 out the door brand new with Match barrel and pre-ban flash suppressor. Built on HK equipment in the good ol' US of A.
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jerkface11,
Ever take down a deer before with a .223 at that distance? Try it and let me know how it turns out.
Ever take down a deer before with a .223 at that distance? Try it and let me know how it turns out.
I find a silencer for my .223 extremely useful indeed - especially in the case of my PLR-16.
Here's a video to demonstrate the "barely noticeable" noise difference...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGj6Kdmz-5U
And an AR-15 with the silencer...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvQUhzMHk98
I've found that the folks who say silencers on supersonic rounds are useless, haven't fired guns with silencers on them.
Here's a video to demonstrate the "barely noticeable" noise difference...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGj6Kdmz-5U
And an AR-15 with the silencer...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvQUhzMHk98
I've found that the folks who say silencers on supersonic rounds are useless, haven't fired guns with silencers on them.
Gunnerpalace
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Go for the HK, or PTR.
The suppressor will be a pain to get, move, and depending on the range shoot.
The suppressor will be a pain to get, move, and depending on the range shoot.
DoubleTapDrew
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Get both!
If you aren't sure about getting a suppressor go fire a couple mags of .223 with no ear protection on
If you aren't sure about getting a suppressor go fire a couple mags of .223 with no ear protection on
Bowman140
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I was with my best friend when he shot his first deer at 115 yards with a .223. My sister hunts exclusivly with a .223 and she has taken four deer, six hogs, a fallow deer, and a corsican ram. The closest shot was 83 yards and the rest were between 100-150 yards. It is all about shot placement. With a good scope the .223 can be a very accurate round.
MisterPX
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KInda curious how many peple saying not to get a can have one, or have used one?
Anyhow, I feel pretty confident the can will put a bigger grin on your face than the PTR.
Anyhow, I feel pretty confident the can will put a bigger grin on your face than the PTR.
Hk91-762mm
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Hk-91 In 7.62mm Hands Down!!
W.E.G.
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A can knocks down the report of a .223 to about .22 magnum level.
That's a BIG difference.
That's a BIG difference.
waterhouse
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I've got a PTR-91 and a Greek Sar-8. I own cans for a .22, a .45, and I have one on order for a .223.
If I could do it all over again, I would have skipped both of the .308 semis and bought more cans sooner. I'll probably sell one of the rifles shortly to fund another suppressor purchase.
True, most suppressors are a "lifetime" purchase. You will lose a good bit of money if you ever have to sell one. They should not be thought of as any sort of monetary investment. But they sure do make shooting more enjoyable, at least to me, and to most beginning shooters as well.
If I could do it all over again, I would have skipped both of the .308 semis and bought more cans sooner. I'll probably sell one of the rifles shortly to fund another suppressor purchase.
True, most suppressors are a "lifetime" purchase. You will lose a good bit of money if you ever have to sell one. They should not be thought of as any sort of monetary investment. But they sure do make shooting more enjoyable, at least to me, and to most beginning shooters as well.
Vegaslaith
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What do you think of your PTR, waterhouse?
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Bowman thanks for that. Good to know. What .223 grain bullets were used in those hunts?
I have done some research on ballistics and it showed the .223 to be a 'less' than ideal round for deer in comparison to the 7.62. BUT if it works, hey, more 'fire' power to ya!
"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As Nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters."
Benjamin Franklin, (writings of Benjamin Franklin, 9:569)
I have done some research on ballistics and it showed the .223 to be a 'less' than ideal round for deer in comparison to the 7.62. BUT if it works, hey, more 'fire' power to ya!
"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As Nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters."
Benjamin Franklin, (writings of Benjamin Franklin, 9:569)
jerkface11
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So you're what the only Texan who doesn't use a .22 cal something or other to deer hunt? 64 grain winchester power points will more than do the job.
LiquidTension
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I've got an M4-1000 on my M&P15. I love it. I think I've fired maybe 10 rounds through the gun unsuppressed since I got the can.
Word of caution: NFA items are like Pringles - you can't have just one. Once you realize that the process is not that big of a deal, you'll start collecting stamps. I got my M41k about a year and a half ago. Since then I've picked up a .22 can and a subgun. My Form 1 for SBRing an AR build is going out either Saturday or Monday. A 9mm can will be in hand before the end of the year.
I've pretty much stopped buying guns. Now I'm working on suppressing everything I have A suppressed .22 is some of the most fun you can have with your clothes on.
Also think about the cost of .308 ammo. Ouch!
Word of caution: NFA items are like Pringles - you can't have just one. Once you realize that the process is not that big of a deal, you'll start collecting stamps. I got my M41k about a year and a half ago. Since then I've picked up a .22 can and a subgun. My Form 1 for SBRing an AR build is going out either Saturday or Monday. A 9mm can will be in hand before the end of the year.
I've pretty much stopped buying guns. Now I'm working on suppressing everything I have
A suppressed .22 is some of the most fun you can have with your clothes on.Also think about the cost of .308 ammo. Ouch!
Bowman140
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Both my sister and my friend were using 55 grain jacketed hollow points.
ctdonath
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If it's what I think it is, you get the suppressor and let me buy the HK91!!!
Really, though, it's apples & oranges. A can on a .223 is nice, esp. if you have a .22LR converter. An HK91 at $1K sounds like an amazing deal (IIRC). The latter will increase in value, while the former is ultimately a disposable safety device.
Really, though, it's apples & oranges. A can on a .223 is nice, esp. if you have a .22LR converter. An HK91 at $1K sounds like an amazing deal (IIRC). The latter will increase in value, while the former is ultimately a disposable safety device.
I've had both. Still have many suppresors. Sold the HK because it was an overpriced, overrated, ergonomically unfriendly, stamped-sheet-metal-priced-like-a-fabrege egg, bad trigger, mediocre accurate, wobbly collapsible stock that hits you in the face, pig of a gun. In a .308 I would take a FAL, AR10, M1A, or even a Saiga first.
If I was getting an HK style gun, I would skip the Germans and just get a JLD for a whole lot less.
I keep buying suppresors.
For those of you that say .223 cans don't make a difference, I would recommend you actually shoot one. And if you have shot one, and it didn't make a difference, shoot one that was designed before 1979 or not made out of a potato or soda bottle.
A modern can from somewhere like TacInv, AAC, GemTech, YHM, or any of those are at least 30 dbs of reduction, and the top of the line ones (I've been shooting a new AAC SPR) are 36 dbs. That is a huge difference. Shooting my 10.5 gun gives you a muzzle blast that you can feel inside the jelly of your eyeballs. Shooting that with my $370 Tac16 on it takes it down to a .22 Mag. The SPR can on a 12 inch sounds like a supersonic .22 LR.
No practical application? snort. That's a good one.
If I was getting an HK style gun, I would skip the Germans and just get a JLD for a whole lot less.
I keep buying suppresors.
For those of you that say .223 cans don't make a difference, I would recommend you actually shoot one. And if you have shot one, and it didn't make a difference, shoot one that was designed before 1979 or not made out of a potato or soda bottle.
A modern can from somewhere like TacInv, AAC, GemTech, YHM, or any of those are at least 30 dbs of reduction, and the top of the line ones (I've been shooting a new AAC SPR) are 36 dbs. That is a huge difference. Shooting my 10.5 gun gives you a muzzle blast that you can feel inside the jelly of your eyeballs. Shooting that with my $370 Tac16 on it takes it down to a .22 Mag. The SPR can on a 12 inch sounds like a supersonic .22 LR.
No practical application? snort.
That's a good one.- Status