Survival Rifle in Colorado

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Lets just say that it hits the fan and we forget about rules in national parks - I am aware of the current regulations. If I were looking for a good survival rifle for the back country of Colorado (specifically around the Grand County area) what would you suggest.

I have my eye on a Marlin Golden 39A (lever action 22), however I am not sure how practical this woulb be as I do not know what critters are in the high country. I know that I have seen some squirrels, but not many rabit, ect.

Would I be better off trying for big game with a large bore rifle, fishing and eating berries in between? Or using something smaller.

Also, just to say again, this is when there is lawless mayhem and I would be pulling this firearm out of the survival box - I am not worried about protection from the two legged creatures but I suppose that we could open this up beyond rifles. Thanks, 77
 
Don't know much about Colorado so I am totally guessing here. For what its worth I believe that you should plan on a longgun and a handgun and that they should be for opposite purposes. So in your case, since you appear to be thinking about longer ranges, I would go with the higher caliber rifle, say 7mm, 30-06, 308 or something along those lines and a .22 pistol. If you want to stick with the .22 lever gun then a handgun of at least .357 or higher caliber.
 
Anything in .308 is ideal. Springfield M-1A, FAL, etc. is the ticket. The distances are very long here in our state. Much of the game (Elk, etc.) are larger animals. .308 is an excellent compromise round because of it's stopping power, general availability and decent trajectory.

Of course, a .223 might be the ticket because after the Elk are hunted out we'll be moving East to avoid the snow and eating prairie dogs!

You'll need an auto-loader for when the zombies invade from the Left Coast during the end of the world. The real pesky ones keep repeating "Obama, Obama". OK, I do have a sense of humor people. :)
 
Hypothetically, if one is in a long term survival situation, I actually think I would prefer a .22. With care, one can kill about anything in the boonies of CO with it, and one can carry a tremendous number of rounds without the bulk and weight of a centerfire or shotgun. Just pick something light, accurate, reliable and that would fit in a SHTF bag.
 
This is where one of the combination guns would come in handy. A 22 or 22 mag with a 20 or 12 gauge barrel would be versatile.

I've spent some time walking around in Colorado and noticed you can go a long way without seeing anything at all to shoot at. You would think game was behind every rock and tree but thats not allways the case.

Your 22 is a good choice. You can kill some pretty large game with that round. A 357 rifle would be a good pick.

There are lots of rivers and small lakes. I would want some fishing gear. That might be your best source for meat.
 
Do you have somewhere specific in mind in Colorado?

My property is definitely high country (8600') in the banana belt and there are plentiful rabbit, ground squirrels, and mule deer. Elk and black bear (and lion) are around.

Some years the rabbits or ground squirrels are so plentiful that they need to be culled. I've used a Marlin 39A for this. Unfortunately small game hibernates during the winter.

Mule deer are plentiful and I normally see them early in the morning in low-light conditions. But they're around during the day, as well. Always at .30-30 range.

Bighorn sheep can often be seen near the Arkansas river in the Bighorn Sheep Valley (go figure).

The handgun advice is good. Meth-heads are a real issue regardless of SHTF situations. We've had a couple instances of meth-heads burglaries in the neighborhood and I had a Remington 512 stolen. :mad:

My Colorado survival guns are:
*A lightweight Browning A-bolt in .30-06 with a big ol' Vari-X 3, notionally to take mule deer, elk, sheep, and, if I went down to the Wet Mountain Valley, antelope.
* A Marlin 39A
* S&W Model 66 .357 revolver. I carry the pistol loaded for bear and pack speedloaders with 158 SP for meth-heads, wadcutters for small game, and snakeshot for rattlers or small rodents.

Regarding fruits and berries I recommend Linda Kershaw's "Edible and Medicinal Plants of the Rocky Mountains." Local edibles are wax currants, thimbleberries, chokecherries, pine nuts, and rose hips for Vitamin C. Mullein can be used for toilet paper (although I've not tried that one myself).

http://www.amazon.com/Edible-Medicinal-Plants-Rockies-Kershaw/dp/1551052296/ref=pd_sim_b_img_1
 
Slugless, if SHTF we would head out of Denver to Grand County Area, Grand Lake in particular. Fishing will be optimum and I think your book will soon end up in my bag.
I think that I might be pairing a 44 mag with a 22lr (the marlin) as a combination. As finances allow, I will be adding a 30-06 to the collection, but that might take some time.
But speaking of the Grand County Area, anyone have any suggestions about small game in the area?
 
If you are living out of your pack, weight is key. A lightweight .223 like the SU16 gives you a lot of power and range for very little mass.
 
I see a couple issues here...


On the firearms issue it depends largely what "hit the fan" senario is but a national or state park would be the LAST place on earth I'd want to go under most long term situations. Every "halfway a survival nut" headcase out there is also going to "head for them thar hills" and in a protracted situation after their week of food runs out...well let's just say people cease to be people when they haven't eaten for over several days. Add to that they all will have their "survival arsenal" that they carried with minamal food and no pre-positioned supplies. They will be some of the worst places one could head at least early on until they all finish eating each other and starving out.

1)Living off the land is a romantic notion but a very bad plan...it's what happens when all good plans fail or go horribly wrong.

2)You can't secure yourself out in the open even with a handful of friends or family or super mall ninja commandos.

3)You can't carry enough even with heavy vehicles to hunker down long term.

4) Short term unless you live in the city (and possibly even then) you are likely better off staying where you are with food and supplies and the possabillity of support and medical care in most situations you'd likely face. (Everybody wants to be Jeremia Johnson until they're hungry and freezing)

Now with all the above firm possitions and disclaimers in place -LOL onto the fun part (gun stuff)

You need at least one fiream capable of a few fast shots out to intermediate ranges for everything from self deffense to hunting....there are a LOT of choices here but assuming it's not "mad max beyond thunderdome" out there on non-private property and in a fuzzy at best senario I'd say the humble .30-30 lever action with about 5-6 boxes of shells (packaging discarded) To 200 yards you can certainly hunt anything with it you'd need to and up close it can be pretty quick and handy. I'd preffer a trapper carbine version if I could get one or an excellent marlin 336 would be fine as well....prefferably with a good rugged peep sight and a larger aperature installed (like XS sights ect) It certainly has already proven itself in both deffensive and law enforcment circles already...it may not be as cool as a "quasi-assault weapon" but that has upsides to...and let us remember the lever action was the original "anti-assault rifle" It won't weigh you down too bad and it has the baseline capabillities without looking like a rambo wannabee yahoo and carries well.

An extremely accurate and reliable .22 pistol. Most likely a semi auto magazine fed one like the Ruger mkII/III, browning buckmark, S&W41 ect with a good field holster and some way to cary a couple spare mags. An assortment of both HV HP ammo and solids. (and if you have a can the apropriate sub-sonic ammo if choice that it works best with...but most of us won't have that option) Should the long gun best lost or run dry of ammo the solids still allow larger game with care. It offers some deffensive use....will be adequate for up close hunting and scavenging needs. You can carry a lot of ammo no problem (probably about 400-600 rounds total of assorted types most being quality HV HP)

An assortment of snares and components and a couple connibears (110's and maybe a 220 or two (but probably just the 110's for me) a small gill net and fishing kit.

This assumes you've been shown and already learned how to use traps effectively (checkout buckshots camp...he's a good guy and has some good setups you could start with and some good material...I was fortunate enough to camp with him once and learn firsthand how the things in his kit can work for you) Remember you spend more energu hunting than you get most of the time....but traps hunt for you while you do other important things to better your situation. Guns are the least productive tool for food production MOST of the time. But a little knowledge and the right snare and trap assortment (assuming all bets are off and it's truly a survival situation where the preservation of human life justifys any possible game laws being ignored....because short of that none of the above are likely legal and all will net you huge fines and possible jail time. Just some thoughts along these lines...hope they enrich the discussion a bit.

There are many senarios where I'd choose different firearms. Possibly reversing the .22 to a longun and a large caliber sidearm in some of them...the above would fit many somewhate remote to way in the back country longer than a week away from town on foot type senarios I could think of...as could I'm sure many other combos. I always like the carbine and sidearm that share ammo replies...but in reality if I'm going to carry a long gun I want it to have long gun capabillities. I love these kinda threads though...they are always fun.

PS- If you know where you are going why not cache food and medical supplies ect in the area ahead of time? And if you are willing to concead it's not the best place to go why not concentrate more on finding a lease or rental property near the area until you can purchase some land you can "escape to" if times get hard (or you just get tired of living in town when you retire down the road) plus everyone neds somewhere to hunt camp and fish and public lands dwindle more each year. Realistate is always a good investment...just like good firearms! ;)
 
Jonboy,
That was good information. I too never understood the pistol caliber lever action and revolver duet. I also agree that living off the land is not the reality that the romance predicts. I envision hundreds of survivalist per acre, and all are starving. I think my biggest fear in a SHTF scenario is not the inner city thugs, but the well armed gun enthusiast, who did not plan past firearms and ammo. He will get hungry too.
 
I'd go with a 30-30 lever action and a good 357 mag revolver, that should cover all of your needs and them some.
 
.22 and .44 combo sounds good to me.

Personally, I've got a .357 revolver and a 10/22 that I'm not leaving behind.
 
You could just carry a T/C Encore or Contender rifle in the big game caliber of your choice and pack along a .22 pistol barrel (or a .22 rifle barrel if you don't mind the added weight). If S has truly HTF, you don't need to worry about violating NFA short-barrel rifle laws. You could even pack along a .410/.45 Colt pistol barrel, but you have to be pretty close for the .410 to work well out of a pistol.
 
i like the interchangeable barrels idea. also if taking a sidearm i think id prefer a revolver to a semiauto. if taking a repeating rifle id want a bolt action over a lever. keep it as simple as possible you cant always be sure you will have spare parts if something breaks.

id hate to have to take down game or defend myself from gangs of hungry and aggressive people by chucking my broken firearm at them.
 
Survival purposes? Clinton-hit-the-fan situation? My personal preference would be a decent AK-47 type rifle backed up by a decent handgun like a Glock pistol and maybe a long barrel .22LR pistol too.

The AK rifle would allow me to drop larger game animals like deer and elk for food. It would also let me defend myself with higher speed re-loading for those social events when I might need to deal with 2-legged predators. Sure, lever action rifles are pretty fast but the AK still reloads the next round quicker. I would mount a 4 X scope with illuminated reticles on my AK to enhance its accuracy overall, not to use as a sniping rifle per se.

The Glock pistol would also be for personal defense and would be either a G-17, G-22C or a G-21SF with the larger magazines. Both the Glock pistols and the AK are famous for RELIABILITY. If you're in a really tight situation reliability of your firearms should be one of your most major factors!

I think for a .22LR pistol I would go with a 6 inch barrel revolver of some sort. Probably a good Smith & Wesson or maybe a good Ruger of some sort. I might even mount a small scope on it too. This gun I would use to drop small game or for super accurate shots into small animals like coyotes, foxes and such or even to practice head shots with and develop.

All 3 of those guns would cover about 99.99% of all of your shooting needs: personal defense, hunting medium size game and for hunting small game.
 
Stubicatt, with a population of 1,700 Elk around Estes Park, the herd will get thin quick. A hungry population will resort to what's available. Hey, in South New Jersey, the eat Muskrats. I kid you not. A .308 auto-loader and a .22 pistol on the hip is ideal for this blessed state.
 
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