Surviving a Deadly Force Encounter - Dealing with the Police while Armed

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There have been many threads on this subject here and in General gun Discussions. Back in 2005, Public Agency Training Council, a private company that provides training to police agencies did a survey called' Always on - Always Armed through a subsidiary company, the The Legal & Liability Risk Management Institute (LLRMI).

While the purpose of the survey was to identify trends so that future training could be developed, I think that armed citizens may find it useful:

http://www.patc.com/enewsletter/Off-Duty Officer Intervention (2).htm
On January 28th 2000 the Providence Police Department received a call that would irreversibly change the lives of three officers forever. Officer Carlos Saraiva, a three year veteran and Officer Micheal Solitro, a rookie who had completed his field training just days earlier were riding as partners due to a lack of police vehicles.

Officer Saraiva and Solitro monitored a call of two women fighting in the parking lot of Fida’s Restaurant. Fida’s Restaurant was one of only two restaurants in the City of Providence, a city of nearly 200,000 people, that had and operating license which enabled it to stay open after the hundreds of bars and clubs in the city closed. Due to the scarcity of open restaurants, Fida’s regularly drew a diverse bar and club crowd that made it a hot-spot for police activity and crime.

The fight at Fida’s had begun inside the restaurant when two females began arguing. One of the females had insulted the other by asking her out on a date, mistakenly believing she was a lesbian. One of the females involved broke a glass and attempted to slash the other woman. A worker in the restaurant began screaming at the females to take it outside.

Once outside, the fight escalated further as the two females were accompanied by their respective companions into the lot of the restaurant. One of the women, Crystal Calder, was joined by her boyfriend, Aldrin Diaz. Out in the lot, Calder shouted to Diaz to get her gun from the car. Meanwhile, Officer Saraiva and Solitro pulled up to the restaurant. Instead of seeing two girls fighting as reported, they observed Diaz pointing a gun at other people in the lot.

The two officers, upon observing the man with the gun, immediately sought cover. Officer Saraiva, who had been driving was immediately exposed to Diaz, whose position in the parking lot was on Saraiva’s side. Officer Saraiva jumped from the police vehicle and positioned himself behind two telephone poles that had been strapped together. Officer Solitro, only eight days off field training, got out of the vehicle and moved behind the engine block and wheel of the police car on the passenger side. Both officers, now having cover between them and Diaz, began shouting commands for Diaz to “DROP THE GUN.” Diaz complied with the two officers, but dropped the gun into the passenger compartment of a car that he was standing next to. The officers began telling Diaz to get on the ground. When Diaz complied, Officer Solitro, who was positioned behind the police vehicle and off-center to Diaz position between two vehicles, lost sight of him. Officer Solitro then moved over behind the car in which Diaz had dropped the gun in order to maintain visual contact of Diaz.

As the officers continued to take control of Diaz, another man came out of the restaurant and began approaching Diaz, who was prone on the ground. The officers observed that this man had a gun in his hand ant that the gun was pointed toward Diaz. The officers immediately began shouting for this man to drop the gun. The man continued toward Diaz. As he closed in, Officer Saraiva and Officer Solitro each fired two shots. Officer Saraiva’s two shots hit the man in the chest and would later be determined to have been fatal sounds. Officer Solitro’s first shot went into the car that he was positioned behind. His second shot struck the man in the forehead and was also a fatal shot. Aldrin Diaz, the initial gunmen told detectives later that he felt that the man was about to kill him and he could not believe the officers were allowing this man to close in on him. He recanted this statement after he was charged with felony murder.

As officers began arriving at the scene, one officer, looking at the man on the ground, thought he looked familiar and reported that fact to his supervisor. The supervisor agreed and told him to check the deceased man’s pocket for identification. When the officer did, he found Cornel Young Jr.’s police badge and identification in his back pocket. Officer Saraiva and Solitro had mistakenly shot one of their fellow-officers, Cornel Young Jr., the son of the highest ranking African-American police officer in the City of Providence. Officer Young had merely been waiting for a steak sandwich at the take out counter when this fight had started in the restaurant. Tragically, Officer Saraiva and Young were classmates in the police academy, had worked together for three years and were friends.

According to materials on the National Law Enforcement Officer’s Memorial web-site, there have been approximately 200 friendly fire deaths in the time period for which statistics have been collected on line of duty deaths. Only 28 have been from mistaken identity, with others occurring from things like cross-fire or training accidents.[ii]

The issues surrounding the death of Cornel Young Jr. are not limited to off-duty officers. In fact several “Friendly Fire-Mistaken Identity” cases involve plainclothes and undercover officers who are shot while trying to make an apprehension. An example includes Detective Kely Wilkins, an Oakland California detective who, while on-duty, got involved in a foot pursuit of a subject who had just fled from a stolen vehicle. As uniform officers pulled onto the scene, they observed Wilkins standing over the subject while holding a gun in his hand. The officers got out, shouted toward Wilkins, and when Wilkins turned his head toward the two officers, they opened fire, killing him. In a civil rights claim filed by Detective Wilkins’ family, the court denied the shooting officers’ motion for qualified immunity after another officer testified that it was clear from Detective Wilkins’ actions at the time of the shooting that he was an officer trying to make an arrest.[iii]

During the subsequent lawsuit in the Young some of the focus case centered on an allegation that the Providence Police Department had a policy requiring officers be “always armed and always on duty.” The plaintiff’s expert witness testified that these policies were antiquated and that Providence was the last metropolitan police department to have such a policy. The expert was obviously wrong.

A recent survey conducted by the Legal and Liability Risk Management Institute determined that nearly thirty percent of the departments in the United States still have an “always armed/always on duty policy.” (See figure 1.) Example agencies include: Miami-Dade, Bakersfield, California and the West Virginia State Police to name a few.





FIGURE 1 LLRMI Survey November 2005



Additionally, fifty-percent of police agencies nationwide require officers to take action while off-duty to protect life or property. Over ninety-percent of agencies would expect off-duty officers to take action under some circumstances.

Irrespective of agency policy, the survey clearly leads to the conclusion that the custom and practice of law enforcement throughout the United States is to be always armed and always on duty. Law Enforcement officers have been further encouraged to always be armed by recently enacted federal legislation that allows off-duty and retired law enforcement officers to carry firearms with them throughout the United States.[iv]





Training for Off-Duty Events



Two issues facing law enforcement with respect to off-duty events are whether the agency has conducted any training on off-duty use of force or off-duty confrontations. The Legal and Liability Risk Management Institute’s survey of agencies from throughout the United States revealed that the majority of law enforcement agencies throughout the United States are not conducting training on these important issues.





Figure 2 LLRMI Survey Conducted November 2005

Once it is recognized that officers will become involved in police events while off-duty, the question becomes whether or not police agencies have any obligation to train officers with respect to these off-duty incidents. The United States Court of Appeal for the 10th Circuit, in Brown v. Gray,[v] reviewed an off-duty police shooting. An officer involved in a road rage incident chased a man and shot him three times. The officer reported that the man had pointed a gun at him.

At issue in the case was a policy that required officers to be “always armed and always on duty.” It should be noted that while only thirty percent of agencies around the country still maintain this policy, many agencies have a custom of off-duty officers being always armed and always on duty. Do policy makers know that their officers carry firearms while off-duty? Do policy makers know that their off-duty officers who witness a crime against a person (for example, a hand-bag snatch from an elderly woman), is likely to take police action. If the answer to these questions is yes, then the agency could be found to have notice of a custom of being always armed and always on duty which has the force of policy.

Although the Denver Police Department had the policy requiring officers to be always armed and always on-duty, the agency did not conduct training on the use of force in the context of off-duty action. A captain from the Denver Police Department testified that the agency chose consciously not to distinguish off-duty from on-duty use of force because the two were identical. A police practices expert testified that the two circumstances were very different and there should have been distinct training for the off-duty circumstance.

How are the two different? One simply has to consider an officer’s use of force continuum in these distinct situations. While on-duty an officer has the command presence of his or her uniform; hands-soft and hard; pepper-spray; handcuffs; an impact weapons; bullet-proof vest; available back-up officers and his or her firearm. While off-duty an officer has his or her hands and their firearm. Certainly the use of force issues change.

As the Young case makes clear, an off-duty officer’s use of force is not the only consideration to be concerned about. An off-duty or plainclothes officer must recognize the danger of misidentification when they take action. The first trial in the Young lawsuit resulted in a dismissal of all training claims against the Providence Police Department at the close of the plaintiff’s case.[vi]

The United States Court of Appeal for the 1st Circuit reviewed the Young case on appeal. The court overturned the decision of the trial judge and returned the case to the trial court for a determination as to whether the Providence Police Department had properly trained its officers on how to identify off-duty officers in an on-duty/off-duty confrontation.[vii] In December of 2005, a jury in the Federal District Court, District of Rhode Island returned a verdict in favor of the Providence Police Department on the training claims after numerous officers and trainers testified as to the types of training conducted with respect to off-duty confrontations.



What Type of Training Should Be Conducted?



First and foremost, agencies must decide as policy matter, whether or not officers are required to be armed while off-duty. Secondly, the agency must decide, what action, if any, an officer is required to take. That said, agencies should recognize that irrespective of agency policy, officers will carry firearms and will take action while off-duty. This leaves only one remaining question: How can agencies best prepare their officers for off-duty/on-duty confrontations. Additionally, agencies should include protocols for plainclothes/uniform officer confrontations.

Agencies should establish protocols that are workable. The New York City Police Department has protocols that encourage on-duty officers to approach armed-suspects from behind and announce “Police Don’t Move.” This approach would allow a challenged off-duty officers to, without moving, announce that he or she is a police officer. It is unclear whether the policy requires NYPD officers to treat every person with a gun as an off-duty officer until they determine otherwise. Such a protocol may not work in situation as occurred in Young, where he came on the scene in front of the officers after they were already in position.

Training should include scenarios where the officer being trained moves through the scenario as the on-duty officer who must make decisions; as the off-duty officer who must respond to the commands of the on-duty officer; and, as a plainclothes officer. The training should emphasize to the off-duty and plainclothes officer that they may not be recognized by the responding uniformed officer and thus, they must take extra precautions in order to avoid a potential tragedy. These precautions would include:



1. Providing information to responding officers by telephone or radio of the presence of a plainclothes or off-duty officer on the scene as well as descriptive information where possible.

2. Prominently displaying their badge without making a movement that may be perceived as threatening to the responding officers.

3. Immediately following the commands of responding officers.

4. Using caution to ensure that any movements are not perceived as threatening toward the responding officers.

5. Loudly identifying themselves as law enforcement officers to responding officers.



The only way that law enforcement can avoid friendly fire tragedies is through training for all of their officers that will heighten awareness as to the potential for these mistaken identity cases. In all cases the burden falls upon the off-duty or plainclothes officer, otherwise responding officers would have to treat every person with a gun as if he or she were a law enforcement officer until determining otherwise. This is simply not a workable solution to this issue.









“Officers Killed by Friendly Fire” Craig Floyd, National Law Enforcement Officer’s Memorial website, 2000.

[ii] Id.

[iii] Wilkins v. Oakland, 350 F.3d 949 (9th Cir. 2003), cert. den’d, Scarrott v. Wilkins, ___U.S.___, 125 S.Ct. 43 (2004).

[iv] H.R. 218 signed into law 2003.

[v] Brown v. Gray, 227 F.3d 1278 (10th Cir. 2000).

[vi] Young v. City of Providence, 301 F.Supp. 2d 163 (2004).

[vii] Young v. City of Providence, 404 F.3d 4 (2005).
 

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Sad case, but the ball was in Young's court to ID himself to the officers. I don't know what the on duty officer's could have done differently. Young had many options, stand near cover and ID himself and offer assistance, draw his gun and hold out of sight and wait and see if he is needed, make his badge visible, all of the above?

In the case of citizens, if PD shows up and bullets aren't still headed in your direction...get that gun out of sight! Either back in holster or on the ground, hands in plain view.
 
The Felony Murder Rule. If you're committing a felony and a death occurs in the course of that eventy, you can be charged with murder. No brandished weapon, no drawn guns from the responding cops, no accidental shooting of a fellow officer.
 
Our policy is very strict - NO INTERFERANCE WITH STREET LEOS! PERIOD At no time shall an armed off duty DOC officer attempt to interfere or assist without direct request, in any law enforcement oriented situation, where law enforcement is already on scene. I have heard the stories of young, impressionable officers waving thier badges in one hand, pistol in other, and causing some "ruckus", and luckily "only" losing thier jobs, when they could have lost thier lives.
We have lawful ability to carry concealed off duty without permit for one reason, justifiable use of force as defined in Title 13, for civilians, nothing else.
Sadly, an off duty DOC officer was stabbed to death by an ex-inmate January 1st.
 
This is one of the reasons why some of us say "Don't get involved", much to the chagrin of some other forum members.

It would appear that the off duty officer was in fact required to respond to the incident in the parking lot, and should have made every effort to identify himself to all other parties involved.

It may be reasonable for off duty officers to expect to be disarmed until they have the opportunity to identify themselves, though this really depends on the situation.

It should be obvious that police responding to a situation you are involved in do not know what is going on, and will disarm everyone on the scene with weapons in hand. Failure to do so might get one shot, so it is prudent to comply, even if you think it is a bad idea.

Best to avoid such situations, of course, assuming you have the choice.
 
Is this the same board?

In two other threads most of the respondents could save their communities money by joining their local PD IAD shoot team. Without being on the scene, without an investigation, without knowing all of the FACTS they are ready to crucify the responding police officers who shoot someone they perceive as a threat. I'll say it again: THE UNIFORMS ARE IN CHARGE. They were sent to the scene to take charge of the situation. You may be an OD LEO or a CCW, and the greatest guy in the world and trying to help, but the responding officers don't know that yet. So far, you are a man with a gun. Do as you are told. This was good advice: "The only way that law enforcement can avoid friendly fire tragedies is through training for all of their officers that will heighten awareness as to the potential for these mistaken identity cases. In all cases the burden falls upon the off-duty or plainclothes officer, otherwise responding officers would have to treat every person with a gun as if he or she were a law enforcement officer until determining otherwise. This is simply not a workable solution to this issue."
 
I wonder how much auditory exclusion due to stress plays a role in some of these friendly fire situations?

I know just doing Force-on-Force training, I could often hear people yelling inside the shoot house quite clearly from the outside; but several times when it was my turn to go in and deal with the scenario all I heard was "garble-garble-garble" whenever anybody spoke and I was in a much better position to hear them than I had been earlier.
 
Sad to say, but Detective Wilkins failed to properly identify himself as a police officer AND failed to see that the uniformed officers were at least somewhat in control of the situation. His presence in the background would have been great, but he chose to move into the picture.

If you change a few things around in this actual account, it should be an eye opener for those of you who have CCW permits. You would be a better "back-up" to the uniformed officers, in case it went sideways. By rushing in, however, you are jeopardizing yourself AND becoming a distraction.

Generally speaking, off-duty officers and CCW holders are by themselves. On-duty officers tend to come in pairs, and other on-duty officers may arrive soon afterwards. They are in uniform, and know each other. They see GUN, and even though they might actually know the off-duty officer, they may not immediately recognize them.
 
This an interesting piece about from the NY Times about the recent similar tragedy in NY.

February 2, 2006
After Shooting, Police Wrestle With Rules
By ANDY NEWMAN and KAREEM FAHIM
For a police officer, it is hard to imagine a more heartbreaking situation.

A promising young cop, off duty and with a few beers in him, is jumped and beaten by six men at a White Castle in the Bronx, pulls his service weapon and points it at a man he believes was one of his attackers. A veteran officer in uniform arrives, sees an armed young man in street clothes threatening someone and orders him to drop the gun. The gun does not drop.

The shooting of Officer Eric Hernandez by Officer Alfredo Toro on Saturday has left many men and women in blue feeling divided.

In interviews with more than a dozen current and former New York Police Department officers and officials, all said their hearts went out to Officer Toro, who from initial appearances followed proper procedure to the letter and still wound up firing the shots that cost a colleague his right leg and may yet cost him his life.

But what about Officer Hernandez? Even as he lay in an operating room battling to survive, several officers said that while they prayed for his speedy recovery, they were nagged by the kinds of thoughts that officers seldom express publicly about a fallen comrade. Namely, that if reports are correct, Officer Hernandez made some serious mistakes, and it was those mistakes that left Officer Toro with little choice but to pull the trigger.

"Perhaps there are things to criticize on his end," said a lieutenant with years of experience investigating shootings by the police, citing Officer Hernandez's decision to take his gun along on a night of bar-hopping, his not responding to a uniformed officer's commands, and his apparent failure to identify himself as an officer, among other things.

Like others who were critical of the young officer, the lieutenant asked that his name not be used in this article — because the events are still under investigation, and also because he did not want to appear to find fault with a fellow officer who is suffering. Many made their comments while Officer Hernandez, a football player, was hospitalized in critical condition, but before his right leg was amputated on Tuesday.

Others said they were appalled at the speed with which word leaked out that Officer Hernandez had been drinking and suspected an effort to hang a rookie out to dry. "Whether he was or wasn't drunk isn't relevant," said Detective Luis Arroyo, the local president of the National Latino Officers Association of America. "It's an insensitivity on the part of the department."

Several officers said they could all too easily see themselves in Officer Hernandez's shoes.

"I think every cop's been in a situation like that, where he's had a few and realized he shouldn't be carrying," said a beat officer in Brooklyn with six years on the job. "You hope nothing happens."

The department's guidelines on drinking seem to accommodate a range of conduct. "Do not consume intoxicants to the extent that member becomes unfit for duty," the patrol manual commands on one page, only to warn elsewhere that officers should leave their guns at home "if there is any possibility that they may become unfit for duty due to the consumption of intoxicants."

The manual is clear that carrying a gun while intoxicated is forbidden, but Prof. Eugene O'Donnell, a former officer who teaches at John Jay College of Criminal Justice, said it was unreasonable to expect officers not to drink.

"They're supposed to be fit for duty, but you have to live in the real world," Professor O'Donnell said. "The kind of people who get into police work are earthy people, they're street people, people who are gregarious and social."

He added, "You'd be ignoring the reality if you thought the police had a zero tolerance" for drinking.

A detective who retired recently said that on or off duty, packing a gun is second nature. "You feel naked without it," he said.

Another retired officer, who is a recovering alcoholic, put it this way: "I run into bad guys everywhere. Do you want to be caught short if someone is in trouble?"

On NYPD Rant, a Web site run by a veteran police officer with a message board frequented by many officers (or at least people who convincingly impersonate them), the shooting of Officer Hernandez touched off rancorous debate.

"Let this be a lesson to all rookies and veterans who choose to try to enforce the law after a night of sousing," wrote ZGULP, who identified himself as an officer and a union delegate. "DON'T DO IT. It is in your best interest to be the best witness that you can be. If you know you are drunk and armed perhaps you might just swallow your pride and walk away from an altercation. The job will never, ever back you if you have a couple in you. This is a privilege only reserved for the upper brass."

ZGULP was barraged with angry responses like this one from JohnMcClane: "Gotta love the hypocrisy here ... Kid defended himself against SIX savages, who cares what his condition was ... he did what he had to do ... to the hypocrites here, let me ask you something ... I guess you never, and I stress NEVER, had a drink(s) and had your piece?"

Even the Brooklyn beat officer who said that he had occasionally found himself armed and drinking, though, did not excuse such behavior.

"If they're going to give you enough responsibility to carry the gun," he said, "you have to be responsible about when to carry it."

--- I've heard and read some folks who say that when the law arrives, if they are holding a gun, they will discuss how they will put it down with officers as their gun is expensive, blah, blah.

I intend to drop it and get my hands clear in the air.
 
GEM said:
Others said they were appalled at the speed with which word leaked out that Officer Hernandez had been drinking and suspected an effort to hang a rookie out to dry. "Whether he was or wasn't drunk isn't relevant," said Detective Luis Arroyo, the local president of the National Latino Officers Association of America. "It's an insensitivity on the part of the department."

Several officers said they could all too easily see themselves in Officer Hernandez's shoes.

"I think every cop's been in a situation like that, where he's had a few and realized he shouldn't be carrying," said a beat officer in Brooklyn with six years on the job. "You hope nothing happens."

The department's guidelines on drinking seem to accommodate a range of conduct. "Do not consume intoxicants to the extent that member becomes unfit for duty," the patrol manual commands on one page, only to warn elsewhere that officers should leave their guns at home "if there is any possibility that they may become unfit for duty due to the consumption of intoxicants."

The manual is clear that carrying a gun while intoxicated is forbidden, but Prof. Eugene O'Donnell, a former officer who teaches at John Jay College of Criminal Justice, said it was unreasonable to expect officers not to drink.

"They're supposed to be fit for duty, but you have to live in the real world," Professor O'Donnell said. "The kind of people who get into police work are earthy people, they're street people, people who are gregarious and social."

He added, "You'd be ignoring the reality if you thought the police had a zero tolerance" for drinking.

A detective who retired recently said that on or off duty, packing a gun is second nature. "You feel naked without it," he said.

Another retired officer, who is a recovering alcoholic, put it this way: "I run into bad guys everywhere. Do you want to be caught short if someone is in trouble?"

On NYPD Rant, a Web site run by a veteran police officer with a message board frequented by many officers (or at least people who convincingly impersonate them), the shooting of Officer Hernandez touched off rancorous debate.

"Let this be a lesson to all rookies and veterans who choose to try to enforce the law after a night of sousing," wrote ZGULP, who identified himself as an officer and a union delegate. "DON'T DO IT. It is in your best interest to be the best witness that you can be. If you know you are drunk and armed perhaps you might just swallow your pride and walk away from an altercation. The job will never, ever back you if you have a couple in you. This is a privilege only reserved for the upper brass."

ZGULP was barraged with angry responses like this one from JohnMcClane: "Gotta love the hypocrisy here ... Kid defended himself against SIX savages, who cares what his condition was ... he did what he had to do ... to the hypocrites here, let me ask you something ... I guess you never, and I stress NEVER, had a drink(s) and had your piece?"

Even the Brooklyn beat officer who said that he had occasionally found himself armed and drinking, though, did not excuse such behavior.

"If they're going to give you enough responsibility to carry the gun," he said, "you have to be responsible about when to carry it."

What would the police do to me if were caught with my CHL and I had been drinking? Well gee, I'd have my CHL revoked and at least spend a night in jail, just for having it. :rolleyes:

This is the kind of stuff that makes me mad. There is no excuse, cops are not special, if I cannot be trusted to carry a gun with booze in me, neither can they. :cuss: :banghead: :fire:
 
Yeah, but that's PA. NY laws are different. And the guy lost his leg, if not his life -- harsh penalty for drinking, if you ask me.
 
If, God forbid, I ever had to be involved in a shooting. I think that dealing with the cops afterwards would be just as dangerous. They seem to kill a lot of folks these days, even as mentioned here, their own.
My personal plan would be to NOT have a gun in my hand, when they showed up. My thoughts are to face the cops with the gun on the ground, away from me, and my hands up on top of my head, all the time saying in a calm voice (right, if thats possible), that I am the good guy.
Second part of the plan is to make NO statement to the police about what happened until my attorney shows up. I would expect to be restrained, cuffed, and the rest of the drill, and hope it would all work out in the long run.
 
raises more questions than it answers, but it's interesting. thanks for posting, jeff
 
It makes a little sense in a place where concealed carry is totally prohibited to assume everyone in possession of a gun is guilty until proven innocent but many states now have huge numbers of people walking around with permits. I'd like to think training could accommodate this change but then it is training that's responsible for causing these innocent deaths.

Can training make people think for themselves and take responsibility for their actions or does it only create pre-programmed robots? I once knew a guy who was fond of saying "you train animals, people are educated". I think there's a clue somewhere in that.

Young was required to act? Could have fooled me. The article says he was present inside when the incident began. Did he ignore it? Something stinks and it isn't only the fact that you are only allowed to recant when it results in more charges rather than less. Diaz's side of the story? Forget about it. Doesn't even matter if he was executed or got a life for trying to protect his loved one though you can bet money he traded that execution sentence off for his recantation. Ooops, I ramble, sorry :)

So anyway, thanks for sharing Jeff (really), I'll read anything once :)
 
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