SW Sigma

[devildog4329]

Hey guys I work for a private security company and they just bought a bunch of the SW sigmas for one of our new contracts. A couple of my coworker went to the range to qualify to get there hand gun permits last weekend and they all said its a piece of junk. I have never handled one or shot one but i do remember a while ago S&W was giving them away when you bought a M&P or AR from them. The guys said its not accurate at all. Any advice would be appreciated. thanks.

 

[Thomas Garrett]

Devildog, I had a SW40VE, shot it quite often, was my CCW pistol, I had no problems with it, 15 yards it was quite accurate. It would hit paper within the 9 ring one handed. What caliber did you purchase?

 

[possum]

they are not accurate at all?

do these people shoot anytime other than when they have too? ie qualify? thee are very few if any handguns that come out on the market these days that are not accurate enough for security/ police/ ccw use. that is hard for me to believe.

i know the one that i grew up on was accurate and 100% reliable, yes it did have a horrible trigger but other than that there were no issues, and really even a bad trigger can be wprked around with proper instruction and training.

i assume that these people have little to no training, and shoot when they have too to qual and that is about it. i would venture to say that these folks are doing the classic "it is the gun" when really they don't have the skill set and or they are not applying the basices to hot what they are aiming at.

handguns are a whole different animal, they are much harder to learn and hit with compared to long guns, and i bet out of the bunch that you describe there is a few that have been hunting shooting rifles a long time, but have little to no experince with a handgun. and even if they do thier skills are lacking.

i had a women at the range tell me that glock and blackhills ammo was crap, she had no idea what she was doing and saying, she couldn't hit so she blamed the gun's malfunctions form limp wristing and inaccuracy on the gun ammo combo.

 

[legion3]

The trigger on the sigma is legendary and not in a good way.

 

[SW9VEman]

I have no problem hitting in the 9 ring out to 15 yrds with mine. Mine is the newer model as well.

Most negative comments are talking about the older model. The trigger is on the heavy side, but not any worse then a DAO revolver.

 

[guttedEF]

I agree, this is my carry pistol and I love my gun. Agreed, the trigger took some getting used to, but just like a vehicle or anything else, all guns are different. Once I got used to it and the gun I like the long/heavy trigger pull, simply because other than a "trigger safety", these guns have no safety options.

Also, these guns are just as accurate as any other brand gun when comparing apples to apples. i have put easily 800 rounds through mine and have never had a single hiccup of a problem.

 

[Ed Ames]

The trigger is long, hard, and rough... but for all of that they are very controllable and perfectly combat accurate. Mine has gone off every time, hit within a few inches of where I wanted, and in general has embarrassed its betters at every opportunity.

I used one to take my CHL test. Did better than the guy next to me with a glock by a mile.

 

[greenjeans]

Tough trigger, but I can hit what I want to with mine. Never had a failure.

 

[g17voodoo]

Best bet is to put alot of time in at the range getting used to the trigger. Or better yet, have a good gunsmith work it over after they assign you one.

 

[stonecutter2]

I like my SW9VE Sigma. It's always fired when I want it to, without fail. That alone is a good feeling, knowing you have a reliable sidearm. It's handled every type of ammo I've thrown at it, too.

I'd recommend, as the others have, at getting used to the trigger pull. I think you might find yourself pulling the barrel of the pistol down with the long double action trigger pull - I did, and once i focused on that correcting that, it's placed my shots very near wherever I want them to be, and always fired when i expected it to.

I would say the only downside is the super funky rail under the barrel on mine. I guess you have to buy an adapter for it to put any accessories on...i haven't yet, but it's kind of lame they didn't just put a standard rail on it.

 

[cAlvis]

New Sigmas (VE) are great guns. Trigger pull is designed to be long and heavy. Should not be gritty though. If it feels rough, S&W will smooth it out for free.

As for accuracy. Tell your buddies that the hard DO trigger will help them learn better trigger finger control. Hard triggers can be difficult for some people to shoot accurately. Like the others have reported, I have found mine to be very accurate.

I would say the only downside is the super funky rail under the barrel on mine. I guess you have to buy an adapter for it to put any accessories on...i haven't yet, but it's kind of lame they didn't just put a standard rail on it.

+1+ Why would you put a funky rail on a production gun???

 

[GizmoHD]

I use an SW40VE for my carry gun.. And once I did the 'trigger fix' and removed the outer spring my trigger is as smooth as it's ever been.. For the price and how accurate mine is (about 5-6" groups at 15 yards, but i've been shooting in the military and since ive been out for a long time now.) I couldnt complain one bit. I also replaced the stock guide bar with a steel one with a 19lb spring (+1 over stock) add that to the form fitting slip on grip (the name eludes me at this time) and it fit's my 6'6" 300lb frame nicely for cc

 

[wankerjake]

I like my SW9VE. The trigger pull is tough at first but i actually like it now. It took a couple hundred round to get used to I'll admit but other than that I have no complaints. As far as accuracy goes, pic #1 was 10 shots at either 7 or 10 yards, I can't remember. I was sitting, resting my hand on the bench. 7 shots are touching as you can see. Pic #2 was 12 shots offhand at 7 yards. Stedy pace, not rapid fire but not taking my time either. Pic 3 was 18 shots at 7 yards offhand. The first 12 were just steady, the last six were rapid pretty rapid. I'm sure lots of people can do better than that, but what more do you want out of a defensive handgun? I'm just an average joe with no training, I'm sure the sigma would really shine in more capable hands. I have thrown away plenty of targets with better groups than those, I haven't been out much and am out of practice. I can't get my Sig p6 to group that well with a single action trigger.

 

[feudalson]

i love mine... but i did a trigger job on mine to lessen the trigger pull mines accurate and reliable... the trigger pull is the only problem most ppl have that and some other made up stuff usaully posted by ppl that dont and havent ever owned or fired one

 

[feudalson]

the insight m4 tactical lights fit the sigmave

 

[Des]

Well it's like this the sigma had a bad wrap when first introduced. This is a new era 3rd generation Sigma. I was in the Army for along time and shot alot of weapons (including pistols) The SWVE (allied forces) is the one I own and I'd put my life on it. Easy to field strip, never has misfired had 2 mis feeds in about 700-800 rounds do to the cheap ammo I was useing. THE TRIGGER IS A LONG PULL! But once used to it I can shoot the center out of any target from 10 to 25 yards easy. Sounds to me like to me that it's the ammo or the shooter in your case. But don't get me wrong theres a dud in every crowd ask them to switch weapons around. If they have the same results with the same person or the same gun you know your answer......

 

[denfoote]

Most negative comments are talking about the older model.

My "older model" SW40F still goes bang and accurately too!!

 

[Delford]

I shot the SV9VE and it only took a few minutes to get used to the trigger. It was my most accurate shooting that day. I also shot a S&W 1911 Police, an Advanced Arms .22lr 1911 and a S&W 586 using .38 spcl. My second best accuracy was with the 1911.

 

[gglass]

SW Sigma
Hey guys I work for a private security company and they just bought a bunch of the SW sigmas for one of our new contracts. A couple of my coworker went to the range to qualify to get there hand gun permits last weekend and they all said its a piece of junk. I have never handled one or shot one but i do remember a while ago S&W was giving them away when you bought a M&P or AR from them. The guys said its not accurate at all. Any advice would be appreciated. thanks.

There is nothing even remotely accurate about the rumors you have heard.

The Sigma is far from junk. It is a very reliable, yet affordable handgun. It does not have any of the frills of more expensive handguns like fully adjustable sights, interchangeable backstraps or a ambidextrous mag release, but it fills a niche in the market.

The Sigma is also a very accurate pistol in the right hands. With a heavy 12-pound DAO trigger pull, many people will have to learn better trigger control to maintain accuracy.

I have NEVER heard of any Sigma giveaways from Smith & Wesson. I don't know how a cash back or free magazine offers can be misconstrued into FREE Gun offers is beyond me.

You will be just fine with a Sigma.

 

[lsu hunter]

I just traded one of my bows for a SW40VE. It is the first handgun I have ever owned. My father is an NOPD officer so I have been shooting a wide range of rifles/pistols/assault weapons. I must say that this gun is awesome. Once you get used to the trigger pull(which I rather like) this thing is spot on. Just like in golf, it is more the person using the equipment than the equipment itself.

 

[Oro]

I have NEVER heard of any Sigma giveaways from Smith & Wesson. I don't know how a cash back or free magazine offers can be misconstrued into FREE Gun offers is beyond me.

There was a promotion last year, first quarter or late spring IIRC, where a $99 Sigma was given with each M&P15 purchased - you could buy the Sigma for $99. The OP is not mistaken about this, but it was $99, not free. I recall the promotion quite well, though I did not buy an M&P15.

 

[warehouseman18]

I have an SW9VE and i was wondering if any of you all could tell me how to feild strip it to clean it. And also if there was anything I could do about the discoloring of the plastic frame below the barrel. Thanks.

 

[sarduy]

i also agree,

the sigma is one of my favorite handguns, if not the favorite that i own next to my glock-17, it's something about that pistol that i like. i own other handguns but when i first try the sigma (sw40ve) the first thing that i though was "umm the trigger is harder (i didn't say bad) and that's is great for a carry gun with no extra safety, so i liked the trigger right away. sure it takes getting use to it even more if you come from a 1911, but it's like any other DAO revolver out there.

Long story short...

i liked the .40 so much that i purchase two a SW40VE & SW9VE, the 9mm is to practice and get more trigger time for the money and the .40sw is my carry gun. they both are accurate and very very reliable so far.

 

[Avenger29]

Hey guys I work for a private security company and they just bought a bunch of the SW sigmas for one of our new contracts. A couple of my coworker went to the range to qualify to get there hand gun permits last weekend and they all said its a piece of junk. I have never handled one or shot one but i do remember a while ago S&W was giving them away when you bought a M&P or AR from them. The guys said its not accurate at all. Any advice would be appreciated. thanks.

While it will generally go bang, I would not bet my life on one if I had a choice...(and I don't recall S&W ever giving away one with the purchase of their other guns...magazine offers, yes).

Your security company brought them for one reason. They were the cheapest things they could get their hands on that didn't have HiPoint/Lorcin/Raven on the side of them.

 

[Jed Carter]

The security company you work for is run by cheapskates, no slight on the Sigma, but they are going for around $250 retail, bet they spent even less . Hope they don't shop for the cheapest bullet resistant vests. Looks like Hi-Point would not cut anything off their price, consider yourself lucky.