SWAT team shoots suicidal Fla. student

[HighVelocity]

Friday, January 13, 2006 · Last updated 9:40 a.m. PT

SWAT team shoots suicidal Fla. student

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

LONGWOOD, Fla. -- A suicidal eighth grader who pulled a handgun in class and briefly took another child hostage was shot by a SWAT team member Friday when he threatened deputies, Seminole County officials said.

Sheriff Don Eslinger said the 15-year-old boy brought the gun to Milwee Middle School in his backpack and briefly took a fellow student hostage during a classroom scuffle.

He then ran from the classroom and "traveled with this firearm throughout the campus," Eslinger said. He was pursued by deputies into a restroom, and the school was evacuated.

Eslinger said the boy was suicidal.

"At one time he held the gun to his neck. As the deputies attempted to establish dialogue, he raised the firearm and lethal force was used by the sheriff's office," Eslinger said.

The boy was taken to the hospital. His condition was not immediately known.


The other student was not injured, Eslinger said.

The school is in the Orlando suburbs.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1110AP_School_Evacuated.html

 

[El Tejon]

Kids, today's lesson is don't point guns at the police.

 

[wingnutx]

15 year old 8th grader?

 

[Turtle Club]

Police call it "Suicide by COP"

The suspect will make the COPS shoot him. As the article said. He was sucidal. This way if he is the slightest bit religious, he techniqly is not commiting sucide.

He got what he wanted.

 

[MICHAEL T]

Tough call I feel sorry for the officer! Theirs been several stories about cops in Fl useing taser on little kids and then when could possiblely been of use....

 

[TexasRifleman]

Tough call I feel sorry for the officer! Theirs been several stories about cops in Fl useing taser on little kids and then when could possiblely been of use....

When he's holding a gun he's graduated himself from the "little kid" category I'm afraid.

 

[Janitor]

When he's holding a gun he's graduated himself from the "little kid" category I'm afraid.

I agree.

But I still think it will be tough on the cop who got stuck dealing with it though.
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[TexasRifleman]

I agree.

But I still think it will be tough on the cop who got stuck dealing with it though.
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No question of that, it's a real shame all the way around.

 

[Stinkyshoe]

Look at TV today, and perhaps we can figure out where this kid learned this.

 

[TexasRifleman]

Look at TV today, and perhaps we can figure out where this kid learned this.

How about we look at parents instead. TV is just a handy excuse for bad parenting.

Why not blame teachers,video games and Karl Rove too....


No, it always falls back on parents.

 

[middy]

This way if he is the slightest bit religious, he techniqly is not commiting sucide.

Yeah, that will really pull the wool over G-d's eyes.

How about we look at parents instead. TV is just a handy excuse for bad parenting.

Absolutely. Well said.

 

[hkOrion]

From Denver 9news.com:

"He was suicidal," Eslinger said. "During this standoff, and during the chase, the student said he was going to kill himself or die."

Classes were canceled for the rest of the day, and frantic parents arrived to pick up their children.

"When I saw the news, I just couldn't believe this was my daughter's school. I came right away," said Anil Santos, whose daughter, Aleister, is in eighth grade.

Sarah Tivy, a seventh grader, said some students were frightened, but she appeared calm.

"I just figured that if someone is going to bring a gun to school, then they need to be taken out of school," the 12-year-old said.

Looks like that 12-year-old is on the right track...

 

[fredcwdoc]

slightest bit religious, he techniqly is not commiting sucide.

BS. Not to sound mean and nasty but it's because he didn't have the sack to do it himself and would rather let some poor LEO live the rest of his life knowing he had to shoot a kid. At least he didn't take a bunch out with him.

Sad story. If he lives maybe he will get the help he needs.

 

[TechBrute]

How about we look at parents instead. TV is just a handy excuse for bad parenting.

Why not blame teachers,video games and Karl Rove too....


No, it always falls back on parents.

Ding ding ding ding... We have a winner!

 

[MechAg94]

This way if he is the slightest bit religious, he techniqly is not commiting sucide.

Well, I don't know if his religion believes that way or not. I suspect he wasn't very religious, but that is just a guess.

 

[Turtle Club]

How about we look at parents instead. TV is just a handy excuse for bad parenting.

Why not blame teachers,video games and Karl Rove too....


No, it always falls back on parents.

I have said it many times. I am sick of people blaming the media i.e.: TV,Movies,Video Games,The News, Internet, ect.

For example: If you watch "Jackass", "Fear Factor" they put a disclaimer at the beginning of the broadcast. Which I think is utterly stupid. A reasonable, articulate, sound minded everyday person would not let random people kick them in the groin or ride a shopping cart down a hill to purposely hit the side of a building or even try to drive a car onto a moving tractor trailer or walk on a bungee cord across two skyscrapers or even eat pig whatever.

Even if I wanted to try a stunt I see on “Jackass” or “Fear Factor” or even pro-wrestling, if I et hurt…that is my fault. I am not going to sue the producer of the television show or media for them “giving me the idea”. Which I see as sad that these morons try these stunts and it gives the media a bad name.

So they are forces to place a disclaimer, and people still are able to sue. And they win.

That is about as pathetic as complaining that McDonald’s made me weigh 250lbs.

I don’t believe impressionable children should be watching those shows anyway. But it is the parents duty to police their activities and what they watch,

That is why I hate the FCC or any other stupid liberal socialist government group that puts the blame everywhere other than where it belongs and that is 90%parents and 30% with the school (yes I know I wrote 90% and 30%).

Lets go back to a55 whipping in school. Maybe that will straighten these little brats out.

 

[BIGPHIL]

Bad parenting is bottom line on all this stuff.


How did religion get brought into this?

 

[Old Fuff]

Since there was a possiblity (and maybe a probably) that this 15 year-old could injure or kill other students, as well as police officers covering the incident, should we expect the police officer not too shoot? I hope that he lives with the knowledge that he might have saved some inocents' lives. Regardless of their intent or motive, these teens that shoot up schools are nothing less then killers - and they should be treated as such. Cry if you must, for they're victims.

 

[fletcher]

Although parenting is probably the most important factor, a bad egg can/will be a bad egg no matter what you do. A certain person in my family was raised the exact same (strict discipline) as his two brothers. He is in constant trouble at school and such, whereas his two brothers never had problems with that sort of thing. IMO - Darwin at work.


More on topic, though: it's fortunate that nobody was hurt other than the kid. Just another reason why teachers should be allowed to CCW.

 

[Turtle Club]

How did religion get brought into this?

I mentioned religion on the fact that commiting suicide is negative no matter what belifs the suspect has. Therefore, if the suspect is religious, if he gets a cop to shoot him and he dies he wont go to "hell", if that is what his religion beleived.

I had mentioned that was this suspect was doing is called "Suicide by COP", since the article had mentioned he was previously suicidal.

I wasnt trying to tact and specific religon, that wasnt my pont. I was simply trying explain the thought process of someone when they decide to 'make cops shoot them'

Thats all.

 

[isa268]

its disturbing that a 15 year old brought a gun so school but what's even more disturbing are some of the comments on Yahoo.com news.

 

[fletcher]

^ I tried unsuccessfully to fend off some of the idiocy on those boards concerning gun control. I agree, it's amazing.

 

[KriegHund]

Its Doom 3's fault. Seriously. Ban it and violence will magicly dissapear.

Gah, im in a sarcastic mood today.

I wish people wouldnt do stupid things like this, makes guns look bad. *sigh*

From Denver 9news.com:



Looks like that 12-year-old is on the right track...

I dunno, any kid that can stay calm when a physco with a pistol is running aorund is pretty strange.

But then, not much you can do, calm or otherwise, if you get a bullet in the kopf, so i guess you should stay calm. If something like that happened to me, i think ide be as pissed off as i would be scared. This person just shows up, threatens to kill some people, ya, im gonna be a little pissed...

 

[erik the bold]

15 year old 8th grader?

Thought they graduated everyone these days.......this one was held back by one or two years ???

 

[Krenn]

Originally Posted by Turtle Club
This way if he is the slightest bit religious, he techniqly is not commiting sucide.

Well, I don't know if his religion believes that way or not. I suspect he wasn't very religious, but that is just a guess.

That raises an interesting philosophical question.... If you take an action whose logical consequence is death, and you have no reasonable justificication for doing so, is it suicide?

there must be all sorts of variations on that pattern... for example, leading the charge against a machine gun nest is probably not TECHNICALLY suicide, even though your death is logically guaranteed. after all, SOMEONE will likely accomplish the final mission... and even if they don't, it needed to be tried.

Is refusing to surrender to an enemy soldier who has the drop on you suicide?

is suicide-by-cop suicide?

what factor does premeditation have on this?

is traditional suicide to prevent classified information from being tortured out of you suicide? after all, you do have a reasonable purpose you're trying to achieve...

I wonder what wikipedia has to say about this....