tactics that are often debated

[uspJ]

i try to read as much as i can about different s&t for personal/home defense. i was wondering are there any tactics that have been proven unreliable or not applicable to a real world scenario. for example many people constantly debate point shooting vs aimed fire in a cq gunfight.

i'm not asking about that topic in particular as its been discussed in depth here before. i am interested to know if there were other tactics that have had the pro's and cons discussed/debated as thoroughly?

 

[Shadow 7D]

Yeah, well see, That IS The PROBLEM

See tactics are mental tools, and a good secret .....
Well everybody wants to be like Batman, and have the tactics tool belt, and the issue is the fact that what seems to be generally said is

and I think there is a sticky on this somewhere

Mentally prepare yourself to fight, and understand the basics of how an encounter flows

then you have specific techniques that are usefull,
wait for it
IN A SPECIFIC SITUATION

and then you have military/police tactics, and as they often get pointed out here
We are going to use this when?

I've been trained to kick doors, done swoopty training when I was in the army and all that, there were guys MUCH better trained, but I went to those classes too, so I also understand that many of the tactics taught there are pointless or even harmful in civilian life.

SO the two basic ways of thinking in S&T is
train to a high standard and maintain it, there are some shooting leagues you can join.

train how you naturally react, so that you are faster and mold those reactions to be the best.

Both concentrate of getting past the
'OH SH**' factor, realizing that you are in a stituaton and activily modifying it to your advantage, most of that can be walking the other way or something as simple.

 

[Fred Fuller]

There's very little in the realm of self defense that has no downside whatsoever, or that is completely without risk. In other words, people who do everything 'right' still wind up dead or injured from time to time. There are LOTS of things that are more dangerous than other things, which is why we train, practice and study- because the more we know, the more we can do on demand and the better we can do it, the less likely we are to do something that gets us killed, injured or jailed.

fwiw,

lpl

 

[JellyJar]

Pretending to have a heart attack. Some people have tried to fake having a hear attack during an armed robbery so the BGs won't shoot them. I don't have any citations to back up what I say but I have read that the BGs will sometimes shoot anyway. They know about this trick.

 

[Shawn Dodson]

http://www.firearmstactical.com/pdf/tools_of_tactics.pdf

 

[uspJ]

shawn dodson

thanks for the link.

i checked out the rest of your site and think i'll have plenty of reading ahead of me. thanks again.

 

[SteveCase]

I had some one tell me that I had a dangerous mentality because I said that its a good thing for people to practice for what you might face in life. And then got called out that what I was doing was pointless since it wasn't military style.

But whats better spending time on the range praticing drawing, shooting, and practicing what you might encounter. Or not doing anything at all

 

[navyretired 1]

Tactic's are abilities learned as skill sets. You can't set down and say teach me tactics although if you roll play scenerios from different perspectives and see how different outcomes can result from subtle changes in decision making you can gain valuable insights. The rest can only be learned from practical experience.
The great thing about instinctive shooting or point shooting is you get first shot and even if a miss will case the BG to dodge or jump giving you more time to take aimed shot.
In this day and age point shooting is very difficult to practice because it's from holster and most ranges don't allow it.
I must fold my tent now as I keep going to sleep while writting this and will probably find it rambling in the morning. Good Night

 

[BullfrogKen]

Debated where?


You mean on the internet? Or in gun magazines?


I don't get involved in internet debates over tactics, so I couldn't tell you what the hot topics are. And I don't read gun magazines, so I couldn't tell you what those authors are bantering on about these days either.


I'll have conversations with well-trained and knowledgeable people regarding different approaches to problems, so I guess you could call that a debate over tactics. But those conversations don't really settle the issue. The folks who have a well-rounded training background realize that there are only so many ways to skin a cat, only so many ways to get the job done.

Every so often someone will advocate for something "novel", but those who have matured in their education have gotten beyond debating over novelties and gimmics.

What those discussions usually end up debating are really over personal approaches to solving the problem. And since we're all different, what I do you might not be able to do. Or what you do works for your personality, but I couldn't pull off because it's not mine.

You have to find what works for you, your personality and skill sets.