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Shot them both liked the 2022 better.
Talk me into (or out of) a Sig P250 or SP2022?
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JTQ
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Wow, did SlowFuse's post get modified before we read it? Seems like the lashing out is not from SlowFuse's end. He seems to simply say he likes the P250.
I've got no experience with either pistol, and probably won't, but rellascout your response seems out of line.
rellascout
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PS I am sorry the P250 is the best Sig ever made. I retract all and any negative statements regarding it.
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rellascout
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PS I am sorry the P250 is the best Sig ever made. I retract all and any negative statements regarding it.
Hidden comment? Nothing hidden about it. In fact, you basically quoted it.
DAO pistols can take some work to master. Some I have done very well with over the years matching and at times exceeding the performance of my DA/SA, SA, striker, DAK, LEM, etc. triggered pistols. At other times DAO pistols have not worked for me, cases in point being the Kel P11 and Beretta Mini Cougar. Even with traditional DA/SA triggers I have had pistols like the Beretta 92 that didn't work for me, but, I took the time to try and work with the guns before dismissing them. I don't expect to pick a gun up out of a box and shoot one ragged hole at 25 yards. Quite frankly, for me, but for the challenge of attempting to master new kinds of weapons, including triggers, shooting might very well become somewhat boring.
And yes, it may be the most "un SIG like" Sig ever made, but so what? I well recall similar criticisms of the SIGPro and the sneering in the gun community back in the 80's over the stamped and pinned slides that so many now covet.
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SlowFuse
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Well said Storm.
And no, my post wasnt edited.
And no, my post wasnt edited.
simon_rook
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I picked up a NIB 2022 last week at the local shop. I ran 100 rounds through it before it even made it home. (I know , I know). Brought it home cleaned and lubed it, went out the next day and put 400 more through it. 115 gr federal fmj from wally world. Following day 150 hp, mixed HST, Golden Saber and Winchester supreme whatever they call it. Then hand loads, Rainier 124 gr hp, Berrys FNHB and XTP 90 grains, bottom line this thing eats whatever I feed it.
No FTF / FTE, no jams no problems accurate as can be. I also would like to mention it's the newest revision. All Exeter, frame, slide, I think the mag might have been German , the witness holes were like a Glock.
Great gun I wouldn't trade it for anything.
No FTF / FTE, no jams no problems accurate as can be. I also would like to mention it's the newest revision. All Exeter, frame, slide, I think the mag might have been German , the witness holes were like a Glock.
Great gun I wouldn't trade it for anything.
rbernie
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How can I tell a German-made SP2022 from an Exeter-made unit?
rellascout
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Triple serial numbers and the internal extractor. The current US production have an external extractor. They will also have German proof marks. There are some triple serial numbered guns without the proofs. IIRC they were assembled here. The other feature that a German gun has is the Iffalon finish which is a darker and shinnier finish than Nitron.
rbernie
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OK - mine has an external extractor. It also has a DE stamp on the left side of the barrel hood, which is moderately confusing. 
rellascout
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How does it shoot?
I would go for the 250 anyday. I have owned both the 250 and 2022. I traded in the 2022 for another firearm the day after I bought it. The trigger is way too heavy for me in DA. It was a well built handgun and very accurate. But unless you like loooong heavy trigger pulls then go for the 2022.
rellascout
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The same could be said of the P250. Its DAO pull is longer than the SP2022 and has a much longer reset.
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I'm reading this, and still not deterred from picking up the '2sum' in 9mm for $400 shipped on gunbroker. That just seems like a heck of a setup for the money, even with reports of a sub-par trigger. I can't imagine it being much of an issue considering I shoot an LCP and a Rossi .357.
I certainly would not expect it to be up there with my Colt 1911, but maybe on par with my stock XD. The P250 is rated t about half the pull weight of the DA pull on the SP2022.
I certainly would not expect it to be up there with my Colt 1911, but maybe on par with my stock XD. The P250 is rated t about half the pull weight of the DA pull on the SP2022.
rbernie
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http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=596484
So far - no issues, all joy.
Considering the price (there's not much to be had for less money, save the P95 or the Taurus offerings), I'm pretty pleased with the potential value. Time will tell if the pistol lives up to that potential.
WinThePennant
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I own a P250, and I love it.
The trigger pull is long when compared to SA trigger pulls found on other Sigs and 1911 models.
When you approach the gun in the way it was intended, then it's a whole lot easier to appreciate why the gun does what it does.
The P250 was clearly designed to be a defense gun. The DAO long pull is designed that way because it's safer. I will say that the pull is smooth as glass, and very consistent.
I am very seriously considering purchasing a second P250. The gun's modular qualities are WAY AHEAD of its time.
The trigger pull is long when compared to SA trigger pulls found on other Sigs and 1911 models.
When you approach the gun in the way it was intended, then it's a whole lot easier to appreciate why the gun does what it does.
The P250 was clearly designed to be a defense gun. The DAO long pull is designed that way because it's safer. I will say that the pull is smooth as glass, and very consistent.
I am very seriously considering purchasing a second P250. The gun's modular qualities are WAY AHEAD of its time.
The P250 is a turd extraordinaire. Do a Google search on TSA contracting with Sig do deliver P250s to the U.S. Air Marshals. The P250 pistols were so error prone that the Air
Marshals had to pull them out of the field right after issuing them and reissue the Air Marshals old P239 pistols. TSA canceled the Sig contract over it and Sig filed a complaint
with the Fed. Govt. over it. AFT was looking for a new pistol and tried the S&W M&P pistol and the P250. In testing, the P250 was an absolute failure. However, Sig America
appealed the ruling, and actually put in writing in the response that "quality of the weapon and functioning of the weapon for law enforcement usage" should not be considered
critical items. They said one major factor should be how well it fits the agents hands, not whether the pistol may or may not work if needed. As for TSA, they still have
warehouses full of new P250 pistols that Sig refuses to take back and TSA refuses to issue their agents because it's a turd. I would buy the P2022 much more than the P250.
That's why you're seeing P250 pistols being sold at fire prices. Sig just wants to get rid of them. All of the above information can be found easily doing a Google search on the
P250 turd! And the driving force behind the P250 was the ex-president of Kimber who drove them into the ground and then took over at Sig America. The P250 was his idea,
and it turned into an ideal turd. Live and learn. However, I would still carry a P226, a P229, or a P220 in a heartbeat. Couldn't give me 100 P250s, cause I'd have to take the
time to bury them so none of my friends saw one and wanted one.
Marshals had to pull them out of the field right after issuing them and reissue the Air Marshals old P239 pistols. TSA canceled the Sig contract over it and Sig filed a complaint
with the Fed. Govt. over it. AFT was looking for a new pistol and tried the S&W M&P pistol and the P250. In testing, the P250 was an absolute failure. However, Sig America
appealed the ruling, and actually put in writing in the response that "quality of the weapon and functioning of the weapon for law enforcement usage" should not be considered
critical items. They said one major factor should be how well it fits the agents hands, not whether the pistol may or may not work if needed. As for TSA, they still have
warehouses full of new P250 pistols that Sig refuses to take back and TSA refuses to issue their agents because it's a turd. I would buy the P2022 much more than the P250.
That's why you're seeing P250 pistols being sold at fire prices. Sig just wants to get rid of them. All of the above information can be found easily doing a Google search on the
P250 turd! And the driving force behind the P250 was the ex-president of Kimber who drove them into the ground and then took over at Sig America. The P250 was his idea,
and it turned into an ideal turd. Live and learn. However, I would still carry a P226, a P229, or a P220 in a heartbeat. Couldn't give me 100 P250s, cause I'd have to take the
time to bury them so none of my friends saw one and wanted one.
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WinThePennant
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And, everything cwp3420 is saying is 100% true -- OF THE GEN 1 P250's.
The Gen 2 P250 is a great gun at a give away price. Smart shoppers look for things like this. The Gen 1 P250 had problems, but those are now fixed with the new version. But, the gun's bad reputation still lingers and allows for people to get a new Sig for $370.
The problems with the gun are a thing of the past -- I know, I've got one (Gen 2 P250). It's one of my all-time favorite guns. That's coming from someone who's owned quite a few guns. The gun's modular design is way ahead of its time.
This is one of those times when you should listen to someone who has put in hours of range time with a P250 instead of listening to people who rehash old history and have never shot one.
The ONLY thing that people don't like about the Gen 2 P250 is the long trigger pull. It's DAO. Personally, I think the trigger pull is fine. It's long, but smooth as glass. You have to put time in at the range, but that's the fun part.
The Gen 2 P250 is a great gun at a give away price. Smart shoppers look for things like this. The Gen 1 P250 had problems, but those are now fixed with the new version. But, the gun's bad reputation still lingers and allows for people to get a new Sig for $370.
The problems with the gun are a thing of the past -- I know, I've got one (Gen 2 P250). It's one of my all-time favorite guns. That's coming from someone who's owned quite a few guns. The gun's modular design is way ahead of its time.
This is one of those times when you should listen to someone who has put in hours of range time with a P250 instead of listening to people who rehash old history and have never shot one.
The ONLY thing that people don't like about the Gen 2 P250 is the long trigger pull. It's DAO. Personally, I think the trigger pull is fine. It's long, but smooth as glass. You have to put time in at the range, but that's the fun part.
rellascout
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Sorry but many of the people commenting on the P250 have owned and or shot both versions. I owned a Gen 1 and have looked at and shot the Gen 2. The BATF trials were with a Gen 2 gun yet is had more shooter and gun induced failures than anyone else in the trials.
Objective facts contradict your assertions. The reality is that the P250 is an avg gun at a avg gun price. If it was better it would still be selling at over $550. If they could get $500 it would sell for that. The reality is that they cannot. People will pay more for a Glock, XD or M&P because the Sig is simply not as good.
The modularity is a great idea. I would be interesting if the costs made sense. As it stands now it simply costs too much and they know it. Sig stopped hyping it long ago. Why pay $700 for a grip size and caliber change when you can buy 2 pistols for $50 to $75 more?
You have one and you like it. That is great. Enjoy it just don't make it more than it is. For my money the SP2022 is the better gun. It suits my purposes better than the P250. It cost me a little more than the current stripped down P250. 3 Mags night sights and German manufacturing and assembly. Smart shoppers who look for bargains jumped on the SP2022 long ago. If you know your Sig history the Sig Pro line was the original polymer Red headed step child of the Sig. The SP2022 did not really catch on until the French adopted it and renamed it. In the end the P250 may take the same route but IMHO I doubt it.
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Is the 2022 both German made and Exeter made?
BTW, I picked up a 2022 recently and have put a couple hundred rounds through it. While I have a much higher opinion of the 250 than some folks to me the 2022 is going to be the better choice for most.
Rellascout is 100% correct that the current pricing pretty much negates the economic advantages of the modular system.
BTW, I picked up a 2022 recently and have put a couple hundred rounds through it. While I have a much higher opinion of the 250 than some folks to me the 2022 is going to be the better choice for most.
Rellascout is 100% correct that the current pricing pretty much negates the economic advantages of the modular system.
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rellascout
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Current SP2022s are made in Exeter with external extractors.
Older ones with internal extractors are German made. They also have triple serial numbers.
Older ones with internal extractors are German made. They also have triple serial numbers.
I bought a 250 SC 2 weeks ago. It replaced a Kahr CW that I couldn't get to work right.
I always wanted a SIG, but they were always too big and too expensive. I have 2 G19s that I love but wanted something a little smaller to carry (it is heavier than the G19). I loved that it was full ambi and had the ability to switch calibers. I liked that it was DAO with no safeties or internal locks. The grip felt right. I got it for $369 (mfg date 4/11).
Now, my EDC has always been a revolver. I have to disagree with those that say the 250 trigger pull is like a revolver. Yes, it's light and even but it is by far longer than any revolver I have ever shot. No ability to stack either becuase the pull is so even. And the reset is nowhere as strong as it could be. I have fed a little over 200 rounds (CCI and Gold Dot +P) through it without a hiccup. I'm just not sure if I can live with the trigger pull. I'm on the fence about going back and reconsidering the G26 or the M&Pc.
Hope this helps. Good luck.
I always wanted a SIG, but they were always too big and too expensive. I have 2 G19s that I love but wanted something a little smaller to carry (it is heavier than the G19). I loved that it was full ambi and had the ability to switch calibers. I liked that it was DAO with no safeties or internal locks. The grip felt right. I got it for $369 (mfg date 4/11).
Now, my EDC has always been a revolver. I have to disagree with those that say the 250 trigger pull is like a revolver. Yes, it's light and even but it is by far longer than any revolver I have ever shot. No ability to stack either becuase the pull is so even. And the reset is nowhere as strong as it could be. I have fed a little over 200 rounds (CCI and Gold Dot +P) through it without a hiccup. I'm just not sure if I can live with the trigger pull. I'm on the fence about going back and reconsidering the G26 or the M&Pc.
Hope this helps. Good luck.
Ancient Woodsman
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OP, don't get too hung up on the tool...look at the task, and pick the best tool for you to perform that task. I've written government specifications for handguns and conducted T&E for same. As far as detractors on the 2022 and 250 go - based solely on the idea that some government agency didn't like that particular firearm - well, government firearms purchasing nowdays is primarilly politics and low bid, with politics coming first. The ATF, for instance, knows far more about smuggling illegal guns in to foreign countries that it will ever know about purchasing firearms. And the TSA? You want to base your firearms decisions on an agency that thinks it is o.k. to strip search an elderly lady and remove her adult diapers...and all that is o.k with them? Well, if so, suit yourself.
Would I buy a 2022? No, but that's just me. France bought something like 250K of them in the largest ever purchase of handguns since WWII and are seemingly perfectly happy. Would I buy a 250? Yes, but again, that's just me.
Some guys will also tell you not to buy a M9 because they saw Jet Li take one apart in a movie while it was in the other guy's hand. Be careful of the 'I once read', 'my friend had...', or 'I once saw' crowd, and either do the testing yourself or discuss such matters with those who have.
I've dealt with the 250 since it was a prototype, and will be the first to admit is no classic-frame SIG, but then again it is unlike any other handgun out there, too. No, I don't work for them or have any interest in the company. Yes, I am a factory trained armorer.
It's a decent gun for the money. http://gunnuts.net/2011/07/06/sig-sauer-p250-5000-rounds-later/ And that guy shoots more in a week than most do in a year.
But, it's no competition gun, either.
Will it do what you want it to do? Only you can answer that. It might be the gun for you, and if so the 2-sum is a heck of a deal.
Would I buy a 2022? No, but that's just me. France bought something like 250K of them in the largest ever purchase of handguns since WWII and are seemingly perfectly happy. Would I buy a 250? Yes, but again, that's just me.
Some guys will also tell you not to buy a M9 because they saw Jet Li take one apart in a movie while it was in the other guy's hand. Be careful of the 'I once read', 'my friend had...', or 'I once saw' crowd, and either do the testing yourself or discuss such matters with those who have.
I've dealt with the 250 since it was a prototype, and will be the first to admit is no classic-frame SIG, but then again it is unlike any other handgun out there, too. No, I don't work for them or have any interest in the company. Yes, I am a factory trained armorer.
It's a decent gun for the money. http://gunnuts.net/2011/07/06/sig-sauer-p250-5000-rounds-later/ And that guy shoots more in a week than most do in a year.
But, it's no competition gun, either.
Will it do what you want it to do? Only you can answer that. It might be the gun for you, and if so the 2-sum is a heck of a deal.
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WinThePennant
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I will agree that the SP2022 will be preferred by most people over the P250.
I love the P250. I plan on getting a few extra grips, and Dura-Coating them in different colors. I plan on getting each caliber in the full-size, and a subcompact in 9mm.
I am loving the fun I am going to have with this gun!
And, by the way, it's going to be my carry gun (when I get my permit), and my nightstand gun.
As far as reliability, I can only tell you what I've done so far. I've shot all kinds of different ammo through it (FMJ and hollowpoint), and have tried to make it fail by limp-wristing it. No failures so far. I thought about shooting it upside down, but I figured the range officer would get mad.
I totally get why some people might not like the P250. And, I totally get why people might be leery of it based on the tests conducted by the Feds. But, I find it to be an incredibly accurate, reliable, and terribly fun gun filled with all kinds of potential. It's a tinkerer's gun, and that's why it's for me.
I love the P250. I plan on getting a few extra grips, and Dura-Coating them in different colors. I plan on getting each caliber in the full-size, and a subcompact in 9mm.
I am loving the fun I am going to have with this gun!
And, by the way, it's going to be my carry gun (when I get my permit), and my nightstand gun.
As far as reliability, I can only tell you what I've done so far. I've shot all kinds of different ammo through it (FMJ and hollowpoint), and have tried to make it fail by limp-wristing it. No failures so far. I thought about shooting it upside down, but I figured the range officer would get mad.
I totally get why some people might not like the P250. And, I totally get why people might be leery of it based on the tests conducted by the Feds. But, I find it to be an incredibly accurate, reliable, and terribly fun gun filled with all kinds of potential. It's a tinkerer's gun, and that's why it's for me.
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