Taurus 24/7

[kestak]

Greetings,

I have a Taurus 24/7 and something odd is happening.

- Put the safe off (Ready to shoot)
- Chamber a round
- Pull the trigger a little bit and keep it pulled
- Put the safe on
- Pull the trigger completely
- BANG! The gun shoot. But the slide does not cycle and the empty cartridge stays in the chamber.
(If I relax the trigger after I put the safety on, I can still pull the trigger and get the gun to go BOOM.)
- The trigger is still functionnal. If I pull it, I ear the click of the pin hitting the back of the case and the safety is on


The slide can't be cycled. The safety needs to be put to off then I can cycle the slide to eject the cartridge.



Is it an unsafe gun?
Is is normal or a malfunction?

Thank you

 

[putteral]

Sounds like a malfunction. I have a 24/7 Pro45 and my trigger does not move with the safety on.
Also why would you pull the trigger a little and then put the safety on?

 

[Steve C]

- Pull the trigger a little bit and keep it pulled
- Put the safe on
- Pull the trigger completely
- BANG! The gun shoot. But the slide does not cycle and the empty cartridge stays in the chamber.

Nothing wrong with the gun, you are doing something completely stupid. If you pull the trigger a gun is designed to fire. If you want to make it safe take your finger off the trigger.

You are pulling the trigger beyond the point where the safety will actively engage and lock the mechanism. The gun doesn't cycle because the safety is likely locking the slide.

3 rules of gun safety:

1. Keep your finger off the trigger.
2. Keep your finger off the trigger.
3. Keep your finger off the trigger.

 

[wally]

I consider this a design flaw and a potential disaster waiting for one doing fundamentally unsafe gun handling. I'd be shocked if there is not a recall to address the issue!

Problem: Sloppy operator has finger partially retracting the trigger when safety is applied. Thinking gun is "on safe" said sloppy operator pulls the trigger -- gun fires! Lets hope he wasn't so sloppy as to be pointing it at someone or himself at the time.

The issue is fixed in the new 24/7 OSS model.

--wally.

 

[rcellis]

Get your finger outside of the trigger guard unless you are trying to fire the gun.

 

[MDW GUNS]

Buy a BMW.
Drive off a cliff.
In the air step on the break.
If car does not stop and crashes, sue BMW!

Please don't take this post serius! :banghead:

 

[.357 magnum]

Steve C is right!

kestak-Please keep your finger off the trigger, unless you intend to shoot the gun-We would like to see you have a Long Healthy Life.

Take Care!

Frank

 

[AnthonyC.]

MDW, good demonstration, I had a good laugh...

 

[VPLthrneck]

- Put the safe off (Ready to shoot)
- Chamber a round
- Pull the trigger a little bit and keep it pulled
- Put the safe on
- Pull the trigger completely
- BANG! The gun shoot. But the slide does not cycle and the empty cartridge stays in the chamber.

I just checked my 24/7 (dry fire test, so obviously slide won't cycle). Here's the issue.
Put the safety on BEFORE you even touch the trigger.
Any pressure on the trigger will still cause it to fire off. I did notice if I click on the safety, I can't move the slide. The safety locks the slide and trigger, but if the trigger is pulled it only locks the slide as something is over-ridden for the trigger.
So this is pure operator error and the only way to correct it is skip step 3 in your procedure.
No malfunction, no unsafe gun, just a built in normal operation.

 

[kestak]

Greetings,

Guys, I apply religiously the 3 rules.

I wanted to know if this situation was normal for the gun or not. The issue demonstrated here was the fact that with the safety on, there is a situation where the gun can discharge.

Thank you

 

[wally]

I wanted to know if this situation was normal for the gun or not. The issue demonstrated here was the fact that with the safety on, there is a situation where the gun can discharge.

My 24/7 has the issue, my new OSS does not. If Taurus ignores it, product liability lawyers will have a field day with it once someone gets injured by some idiot who fails to use safe gun handling while firing a gun that had the safety on.

So yes it appears to be "normal" for the 24/7; is no problem if you never screw up -- after all the 24/7 would be same as a Glock without its safety pull the trigger and it shoots, don't and it won't; and is IMHO a ticking time bomb for Taurus if they don't address the issue. Since the "improved" 24/7 OSS fixes the issue, it'd be hard for them to claim previous iteration was "safe".

--wally.

 

[moooose102]

well, after reading your question, i went upstairs, got BOTH of our 24/7's out and tried it. they both function exactly the way you describe. i would NOT reccomend such actions, as i do not know what harm may, or may not come to the gun (the slide IS supposed to function after a round is fired !). doing this repeatedly may end up screwing up the gun, or worse yet, the safety! in any case, yes, they do that. but until you discovered it, i would have never tried it. congradulations on finding a "quirk" that thousands of us did not know existed.

 

[HorseSoldier]

For the original poster, I have to ask if you just happened to do this, or read it somewhere on the internet and decided to try it.

I had a 24/7 45 cal for a while, and it is possible to bypass the safety by putting partial tension on the trigger while engaging the safety.

How retarded one has to be to have their finger on the trigger while manipulating the trigger is somewhat beyond my comprehension, however.

 

[kestak]

Greetings,

I follow regiliously the 4 rules and some people think I am a pain in the ass at the range sometimes because I do not tolerate any safety misapps.

I have about 25 handguns and I test all of them to all the possibilities I can imagine for safety. Testing the safety lever is one of them. Another one, for example, is to test the decocker with a pen. It is not 100% sure, but I found out my CZ-52 has a screwy decocker and it probably saved some trouble to a friend at the range when he showed me his new 1911 that has a malfunction directly from the manufacture. You should have seen the look in his eyes when he saw the pen get out of the canon.

By the way, I have a Taurus Millenium Pro 45ACP and it does the same thing. I did not bring it on previously but I knew about this one too. Moreover, my Millenium Pro is a third generation with 6 shots. At the range they have the next generation with 10 shots and they do the same screwy thing too.

Finally, 1 week ago at the range, I saw a shooter putting a magazine in his handgun and racking the slide with his finger on the trigger. I see that behaviour all the time. Of course, I talked to him.

Thank you

 

[XDKingslayer]

I wanted to know if this situation was normal for the gun or not.

This is normal for the Taurus 24/7 and the Taurus Millenium Pro series pistols.

The bad thing is that many people think this "normal" way of building a safety is perfectly acceptable and it's not. It's crap. Period.

Sure you shouldn't have your finger on the trigger, but it doesn't take much travel from the trigger to render the safety your trusting to make your gun not fire malfunction.

It's even been shown that a little crud build up in the trigger area of the Mill Pros will even cause the safety not to work.