Taurus lifetime warranty -not so much

[Tony k]

It cost me $50 to send my PT1911 back to taurus from here in NE Oregon. This was cheaper than taking it to gunsmith. Had it back within three weeks, and that was mostly due to winter weather delays.

 

[hentown]

They should have cheerfully covered that part under warranty. I don't/won't ever own a Taurus, so I guess this is moot for me. However, I've had Glock rebuild Glocks for free, when only "wear and tear" was involved.

 

[Miked7762]

No you cannot. An individual with no FFL license cannot ship a firearm via USPS, assembled or not. To suggest otherwise is to unwittingly (I would hope) suggest something illegal.

An individual cannot ship a handgun via USPS without a FFL, long guns are OK unless they are NFA Title II items.

 

[Blue Brick]

If it can be “readily reassembled as a weapon”, then no you may not send it. Nothing written about serial numbers, frames, or receivers, it just has to be dismantled and left so that it can’t be readily reassembled as a weapon.

 

[Frank Ettin]

If it can be “readily reassembled as a weapon”, then no you may not send it. Nothing written about serial numbers, frames, or receivers, it just has to be dismantled and left so that it can’t be readily reassembled as a weapon.

Man are you off base. You apparently have no understanding of the law or how things work.

1. 18 USC 1715:

   Pistols, revolvers, and other firearms capable of being concealed on the person are nonmailable and shall not be deposited in or carried by the mails or delivered by any officer or employee of the Postal Service.....

   
   
2. 18 USC 921(a)(3):

   (3) The term “firearm” means
   

   
   (A) ...
   (B) the frame or receiver of any such weapon;
   (C) ...
   (D)...​

   
   
3. USPS Regulations as set out in the Domestic Mail Manual, Section 601, Mailability ,
   
   
4. USPS Regulations as set out in the Domestic Mail Manual, Section 601, Mailability , 12.1.2 -- 12.1.6:

   12.1.2 Handguns
   Handguns and other firearms capable of being concealed on the person are nonmailable unless mailed between the parties listed in 12.1.3 and 12.1.5 after the filing of an affidavit or statement required by 12.1.4 and 12.1.6, and are subject to the following:
   

   a. Firearms meeting the definition of a handgun under 12.1.1b, and the definition of curios or relics under 27 CFR 478.11 may be mailed between curio and relic collectors only when those firearms also meet the definition of an antique firearm under 12.1.1h.
   b. Firearms meeting the definition of a handgun under 12.1.1b which are certified by the curator of a municipal, state, or federal museum which exhibits firearms to be curios or relics of museum interest may be accepted for mailing without regard to 12.1.3 through 12.1.6.
   c. Air guns that do not fall within the definition of firearm under 12.1.1a that are capable of being concealed on a person are mailable; but must include adult signature service under 503.9.0. Mailers must comply with all applicable state and local regulations.
   d. Parts of handguns are mailable, except for handgun frames, receivers or other parts or components regulated under Chapter 44, Title 18, U.S.C.
   e. Mailers are also subject to applicable restrictions by governments of a state, territory, or district.​

   12.1.3 Authorized Persons
   Subject to 12.1.4, handguns may be mailed by a licensed manufacturer of firearms, a licensed dealer of firearms, a licensed importer of firearms, or an authorized agent of the federal government or the government of a state, territory, or district, only when addressed to a person in one of the following categories for use in the person's official duties:
   

   a. Officers of the Army, Coast Guard, Air Force, Navy, Marine Corps, or Organized Reserve Corps.
   b. Officers of the National Guard or militia of a state, territory, or district.
   c. Officers of the United States or of a state, territory, or district, whose official duty is to serve warrants of arrest or commitment.
   d. USPS employees authorized by the Chief Postal Inspector.
   e. Officers and employees of enforcement agencies of the United States.
   f. Watchmen engaged in guarding the property of the United States, a state, territory, or district.
   g. Purchasing agent or other designated member of agencies employing officers and employees included in 12.1.3c. through 12.1.3e.​

   12.1.4 Affidavit of Addressee
   Any person proposing to mail a handgun under 12.1.3 must file with the postmaster, at the time of mailing, an affidavit signed by the addressee setting forth that the addressee is qualified to receive the firearm under a particular category of 12.1.3a through 12.1.3g, and that the firearm is intended for the addressee’s official use. The affidavit must also bear a certificate stating that the firearm is for the official duty use of the addressee, signed by one of the following, as appropriate:
   

   a. For officers of Armed Forces, by the commanding officer.
   b. For officers and employees of enforcement agencies, by the head of the agency employing the addressee to perform the official duty with which the firearm is to be used.
   c. For watchmen, by the chief clerk of the department, bureau, or independent branch of the government of the United States, the state, the territory, or the district by which the watchman is employed.
   d. For the purchasing agent or other designated member of enforcement agencies, by the head of such agency, that the firearm is to be used by an officer or employee included in 12.1.3c through 12.1.3e.​

   12.1.5 Manufacturers, Dealers, and Importers
   Handguns may also be mailed between licensed manufacturers of firearms, licensed dealers of firearms, and licensed importers of firearms in customary trade shipments, or for repairing or replacing parts.

 

[Blue Brick]

18 U.S. Code § 922 - Unlawful acts

(a) It shall be unlawful—

(1) for any person—

(2) for any importer, manufacturer, dealer, or collector licensed under the provisions of this chapter to ship or transport in interstate or foreign commerce any firearm to any person other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector, except that—

(A) this paragraph and subsection (b)(3) shall not be held to preclude a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector from returning a firearm or replacement firearm of the same kind and type to a person from whom it was received; and this paragraph shall not be held to preclude an individual from mailing a firearm owned in compliance with Federal, State, and local law to a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector;

 

[Frank Ettin]

18 U.S. Code § 922 - Unlawful acts...

Again you have demonstrated that you are not qualified to opine on matters of law and that you don't know what you are talking about.

Let's have a closer look at 18 USC 922(a)(2)(A) (my emphasis):

...this paragraph shall not be held to preclude an individual from mailing a firearm owned in compliance with Federal, State, and local law...

• There's a lot more law on the subject than the paragraph (A) referenced. There is, in fact, federal law, as I cited in post 55, prohibiting a non-licensee from shipping a handgun by the USPS.
  
  
• Paragraph (A) still requires that a firearm be shipped in compliance with the law. There is, in fact, federal law, as I cited in post 55, prohibiting a non-licensee from shipping a handgun by the USPS.

You are providing incorrect information. If anyone were unwise enough to pay attention to you, he could get himself into a lot of trouble.

And yes, I am a lawyer. You, obviously, are not.

 

[Blue Brick]

Read it closely…..


The law states and uses and this paragraph "shall not be held to preclude an individual from mailing firearm owned in compliance with Federal, State, and local law to a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector;"

shall not be held to preclude (preclude means to prevent from happening; make impossible)

mailing (not shipping or sending, it said mailing which means the action or process of sending something by mail.)

firearm “owned” in compliance with Federal, State, and local law (once again not shipped or sent in compliance with Federal, State, and local law – owned, I own my firearm in compliance with my Federal, State, and local law)


I did call my local ATF office and was told the law is conflicting and not fully clear. You are in compliance with one law and in violation of another. ATF said that bureaucracy of government keeps firearm laws from changing and updating.

 

[Frank Ettin]

...I did call my local ATF office and was told the law is conflicting and not fully clear...

Phooey! If that's true, whoever you spoke with doesn't read ATF's own FAQs (emphasis added):

Q: May a nonlicensee ship a firearm through the U.S. Postal Service?

A nonlicensee may not transfer a firearm to a non-licensed resident of another State. A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. The Postal Service recommends that long guns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms. Handguns are not mailable. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun....

 

[peacebutready]

Thanks

And yes, I am a lawyer. You, obviously, are not.

Thanks for your generosity, Frank.

 

[bikerdoc]

Gentleman, Lets put this one to bed. It started out as a Taurus and drifted.