Ted Nugent; hurting the cause?

[357 Terms]

If you think Nugent is too extreme, you're probably correct, but you should also probably (re)familiarize yourself with Cass Sunstein to get a reminder of just what we're up against.

I guess the problem, as I see it, is that few people know who Cass Sunstein is.

Nugent seeks attention, and gets it, the only problem I have is that he doesn't have the integrity or the respect of the masses to actually change minds, especially of those who are sitting on the fence.

Not to mention that as a hunter, I have little respect for him.

 

[Jorg Nysgerrig]

No matter how nice and reserved and quiet and apologetic our leaders are, the anti's freedom folks will hate them.

You see, that's something that I think some folks are missing here. It isn't the dyed-in-the-wool gun control proponents that matter the most right now. Carolyn McCarthy isn't going to be swayed by any amount of smooth talking. Paul Helmke isn't going to say, "Well, I was rethinking my opinion, but then Ted Nugent said that!"

Those people really don't matter. They have made their decisions and are firmly entrenched. Nothing Ted Nugent or any of us can say will affect them. The people who matter are the millions who don't really feel strongly one way or the other.

It's the guy down the street that has a couple of guns for hunting, but doesn't join the NRA because he thinks they are too extreme. He just got pushed further away.

It's the woman who doesn't really think about gun control, but just heard on the radio the Ted Nugent, the guy known as much for his outspoken positions on guns as his music, is being investigated by the Secret Service for making a comment about the President.

Think about it. We have posters on this forum, in this very thread, who want to distance themselves from Nugent's comment. If what he said bothers so many of the die-hard gun nuts here, imagine how it is perceived by those outside the firearms community.

I suppose that's all I've got to say on the matter.

 

[357 Terms]

Think about it. We have posters on this forum, in this very thread, who want to distance themselves from Nugent's comment. If what he said bothers so many of the die-hard gun nuts here, imagine how it is perceived those outside the firearms community.

I suppose that's all I've got to say on the matter.

Exactly!

Those that may not have an opinoin either way will NOT be swayed by some jackace that runs his mouth off.

Not to mention that the core of the 2nd amend. supporters ( hunters, CCW) don't agree or relate to his "veiws"

Sorry, he is hurting the cause...when you look at the whole spectrum, and how many people are influenced.

 

[jcwit]

Lots of opinions here, I've expressed mine also, but in 2 to 4 weeks I think none of them will matter not one whit!

 

[mljdeckard]

The infractions against him are somewhat technical, and I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that the enforcement here is HIGHLY selective.

 

[JLDickmon]

No one pays any attention to the issues until Nugent springs them to the forefront..

 

[stanmo]

Nugent is an idiot and would make a good Poster Boy for the Brady Campain.

 

[jcwit]

Nugent is an idiot and would make a good Poster Boy for the Brady Campain.

Your definition of idiot must be much different than mine.

For being an idiot he seems to have done very well for himself.

Campain

Say what?

 

[Mike Kerr]

Jorg wrote:

It's the guy down the street that has a couple of guns for hunting, but doesn't join the NRA because he thinks they are too extreme. He just got pushed further away.

It's the woman who doesn't really think about gun control, but just heard on the radio the Ted Nugent, the guy known as much for his outspoken positions on guns as his music, is being investigated by the Secret Service for making a comment about the President.

Think about it. We have posters on this forum, in this very thread, who want to distance themselves from Nugent's comment. If what he said bothers so many of the die-hard gun nuts here, imagine how it is perceived those outside the firearms community.

I suppose that's all I've got to say on the matter.

I believe you said it very well. Thanks for your correct summary.

regards,

 

[HoosierQ]

He ain't helping!

 

[jmstevens2]

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

I don't believe I;ve read anyone calling for Congress to abridge his free speech. Just because a person has the right to say stupid things doesn't mean they should or that we should just shrug it off and say, "Well, that's his right."

It's a shame that people always trot out the 1A as an excuse for people shooting off their mouths. Put more simply, "People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use."

I really like Ted for what he has done and will do. I think he will be made to look like an idiot for the Brady Bunch's pleasure and to try and bolster votes for he who shall not be named. I think the 5th Amendment should have been applied here. It would be more appropriate.

As to the 12 acre ranch hunt, wasn't that right after his KNEE REPLACEMENT? Give him a break.

I am not buying all the other stuff any more than I do all the other lies coming out of Washington, New York, Chicago, or Los Angeles.
I need some evidence first.

Funny he has done a lot for the Troops and Wounded Warrior project. Yet we are so fast to throw him under the bus. I sure hope none of you are ever part of my defense in the unfortunate event that I ever have to use my carry gun.
Why must we eat our own here?:banghead:

 

[jmstevens2]

Nugent is an idiot and would make a good Poster Boy for the Brady Campain.

To be taken seriously when calling one an idiot, it is best to use spell check.

 

[Steel Horse Rider]

Some here seem also to forget that Ted was elected to the NRA BOD by the membership. You are not allowed to un-elect him just because you don't care for his comments or actions but you can remove yourself as a member of the organization if you so disapprove. I think we may have some Trojan members in this organization as one of the stategies employed by the Obama campaign is to infiltrate and blur the issues.

 

[Ringolevio]

Jorg wrote:

Think about it. We have posters on this forum, in this very thread, who want to distance themselves from Nugent's comment. If what he said bothers so many of the die-hard gun nuts here, imagine how it is perceived by those outside the firearms community.

Having followed this thread, I have to conclude that to assume this forum is populated by "die-hard gun nuts" is a real stretch.

It's even a stretch to assume that this forum is populated by people whose thoughts and opinions are informed by much of anything other than the mainstream Media.

It's no wonder our once-great country is in such dire straits, when even so-called firearms enthusiasts refuse to see the handwriting on the wall and willfully turn a blind eye to the way our rights, our freedoms, our constitution, our values and our morality are being systematically undermined, attacked and destroyed.

I am frankly disgusted by what I have read from so many here. I might as well be reading MoveOn.org.

 

[jcwit]

Well put Ringolevio, I thought many many posts ago that this whole thread seemed to be more of a bash the NRA thread than one about a man voicing his views as he sees them, and not doing it politically correct.

Frankly I think we need more who speak their mind so those with differing views have no doubt what is ment.

 

[rellascout]

"People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use."

I have heard that somewhere before...

 

[Erik M]

He's bad for further alienating the anti-2A people, other than that I like him. I like Uncle Ted, but I like listening to Jesse Ventura more.

 

[doc540]

He's been consistently wild since day one of his rock'n'roll career.

Before anyone knew who he was he played the Knight's of Columbus Hall here in Beaumont, Texas.

Local LEO's arrested him for shooting a flaming arrow from the stage into the back wall of the building.

True story.

 

[rajb123]

...more animals are lost to bow hunters than guns; right? ....Let Uncle Sam regulate bow sales and bow use instead of guns...

 

[Robert]

Honestly I have tired to ignore everything the man does or says. I tend to agree with Jorg, how many fence sitters has he pushed to the other side with his over the top antics? More flys with honey and all that.

Having followed this thread, I have to conclude that to assume this forum is populated by "die-hard gun nuts" is a real stretch.

It's even a stretch to assume that this forum is populated by people whose thoughts and opinions are informed by much of anything other than the mainstream Media.

You are entitled to your opinion... But I have found the members of THR, of all stripes, to be some of the most well informed level headed people on the internet. Sure we have our fair share of clowns but for a forum of our size I think the membership is far above average. But as they say YMMV...

 

[jmstevens2]

He's been consistently wild since day one of his rock'n'roll career.

Before anyone knew who he was he played the Knight's of Columbus Hall here in Beaumont, Texas.

Local LEO's arrested him for shooting a flaming arrow from the stage into the back wall of the building.

True story.

Here in Cincinnati too, back in the early 90's or so. Still doesn't make him a bad man, show business is show business.

 

[X-Rap]

I hear that around 45% of American adults own a gun, what is the percentage of membership in a pro 2a organization?
I doubt if Ted is scaring off to many true believers, show the rest to the door, they will falter when we need them most.

 

[JShirley]

I don't see anywhere productive to go with this thread.

John