Ted Nugent; hurting the cause?

[Ringolevio]

Nushif wrote:

@Ringolevio and BSA
So wait, in this thread you compared the political realities of the Independence Wars to today's political reality,

Absolutely! So, you're saying there's no grounds for comparison? As if one cannot learn from history?

alluded to Obama as well as the W in a comparison to Hitler,

Oh, that's verboten, isn't it? Even when my point was not so much about Hitler as about "waiting for the next election"?

injected neo-christian values into our religiously neutral government system,

What's so "neo" about my values? And do you deny that, although our gov't system is religiously neutral, it is firmly founded on Judeo-Christian values? And that arrangement has, I believe, served us quite well.

and thus concluded that it's a good idea for an elected spokesperson of any given organization to not ever reign [sic] in their own opinions when commenting in an official capacity on a topic the organization is supposed to *not* be about

?

So, you'd prefer such spokespersons to be always walking on eggshells lest their outspoken passion give "offense" to someone's delicate sensibilities?

I suppose such an "elected spokesperson" always takes the chance of being removed in the next election (which brings us back to my point about the next election, doesn't it?).

Am I getting this straight?

Now that we've clarified things, maybe so...

 

[stonecutter2]

Honestly I feel that the political rhetoric these days is just far too alarmist and extremist for my tastes. I am very well aware and fully support that everyone is entitled to their opinion, however, the discourse in the nation lately has turned decidedly extreme. It's not just a discussion about voting out Obama because he's not making decisions that would help the economy and help people get jobs, it's how he's destroying America, hates American values, is a socialist/communist, a fool for not drilling for oil in every corner of protected nature preserves of the US, trying to force churches to do as he wants, forcing people to get health insurance so they don't go bankrupt when they have a health emergency that others have to foot the bill for.

I really think Obama is just trying to do the best he can. And if you don't agree with what he's doing, cool - but the bitterness and level of anger some are demonstrating is just shocking to me. What anti-gun bills has Obama signed into law? Why is Ted Nugent going to be dead or in jail after November - what indicates a justification for such an extreme, outrageous statement? I haven't seen anything directly attacking our 2nd amendment rights from the Obama administration.

I am proud to live in a country where a citizen can speak their mind, criticizing the ruling government and calling for its upheaval. We are truly blessed to have such freedoms that we can exercise.

It takes people saying things, like Ted Nugent did (and the Dixie Chicks back in the day), to really appreciate all the freedoms we enjoy here in the US.

 

[Old krow]

I'm sure you can support that statement with links as to it being a fact?

http://www.newshounds.us/2007/08/26...ft_dodger_will_hannity_keep_defending_him.php

I like Tom Selleck too and wish he were more vocal on the issue.
I wonder if he served in Viet Nam?

I like him too. I don't think that he did, but I could be wrong about it. He was in the 160th Inf Reg in the CA Guard. Either way, NOT on par with Nugent.

 

[Tom609]

Well said, Stonecutter.

I sometimes wonder why some people will express their admiration for a person because, "at least he says what's on his mind." While that can sometimes be an admirable quality, just as often it reflects a lack of self control and reflective thought. In fact, taken to the extreme, it's Tourette's Syndrome.

 

[Rembrandt]

.....I haven't seen anything directly attacking our 2nd amendment rights from the Obama administration.

Ever hear of fast & furious or the EPA (whom he appoints the director) wanting to ban lead ammo?

 

[Nushif]

So, you'd prefer such spokespersons to be always walking on eggshells lest their outspoken passion give "offense" to someone's delicate sensibilities?

Nope. I prefer spokespeople who stick to the issue they were voted in for.

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I really think <any president> is just trying to do the best <they> can. And if you don't agree with what he's doing, cool - but the bitterness and level of anger some are demonstrating is just shocking to me.

This.

 

[stonecutter2]

Ever hear of fast & furious or the EPA (whom he appoints the director) wanting to ban lead ammo?

Those didn't directly attack 2nd amendment rights or seriously diminish them. How have these infringed on or diminished your 2nd amendment rights, or prevented you from buying ammunition or guns since Obama was elected in 2008.

 

[Tommygunn]

Those didn't directly attack 2nd amendment rights or seriously diminish them. How have these infringed on or diminished your 2nd amendment rights, or prevented you from buying ammunition or guns since Obama was elected in 2008.

So Obama's OK on guns because no one in his administration did anything directly to attack or diminish our 2A rights?
Really? That's your criteria? ? ? ?

 

[Bristol Mt.Man]

Having read all of the posts on here I can't believe all of the people who are so quick to throw Ted under the bus. He is definatly an extremist, outspoken, and certainly opinionated but he is on "OUR" side. As far as those game violations, perhaps we should at least be allowed to hear his side of the story before we condem him totally. The "OTHER" side have no problem allowing extremists to occupy positions of influence in Government, media, academy and entertainment, and make no appoligies for it. Just look at appointees to our Supreme Court. Make no mistake, the times to be polite and apologetic about our gun rights are past. We need to be extreme and passionate about our rights and make a stand that "enough is enough" and we are not going to take any more "infringements" period. I live in New York State, where every conceiable gun law is already a law and they still are trying to pass more. I just attended A gun show and observed and talked to a lot of people. People are buying up "Black Rifles" and ammo like crazy. Like it or not, these are extreme times we are living in. Better get ready. Just my thoughts.

 

[skoro]

His overheated rhetoric does our cause no good. Eliciting approval from gun owners by tossing out inflammatory remarks just turns off those we need to understand our viewpoint.

 

[armarsh]

...I haven't seen anything directly attacking our 2nd amendment rights from the Obama administration. ...

That is part of the plan. Sarah Brady, recalling what Obama told her: “I just want you to know that we are working on it,” Brady recalled the president telling them. “We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifes...steve-croley/2011/04/04/AFt9EKND_story_2.html

It seems disingenuous to say Obama must be doing OK regarding 2A, because he has not accomplished what he has said he wishes he could accomplish. Obama is on the record many times that he would like to reinstate the assault weapons ban, and supported banning all handguns as a senator.

 

[rajb123]

I'm not crazy about Ted or his illegal bear hunts with a bow...

However, I would support his bid to become NRA president because I believe he would appropriately redirect the resources of the NRA toward fighting lousy gun control laws in the federal, state and local courts. Unfortunately, their current focus is only to promote polititions who support our causes and this is not enough.

 

[Nushif]

He is definatly an extremist, outspoken, and certainly opinionated but he is on "OUR" side.

Just because the slug is on our side doesn't make it any less disgusting kissing it. Sorry.

 

[pbearperry]

Although I applaud his want to protect gun owners and rights,I have formed an opinion of him by watching several of his hunting shows.I believe he has mental issues possibly by years of drug abuse.Something upstairs is just not right.

 

[Weevil]

If I felt he was truly sincere in his beliefs I would be more supportive of him.

However from what I see he's a wannabe rockstar that never made it and has latched onto the 2A gunrights cause as a venue to try and get the fame and headlines he never had as a "rocker".


I can't help but get the gut-feeling he's more concerned with being a "star" than he is with furthing the cause of RKBA.

 

[Neverwinter]

If the goal is to work on increasing the support for RKBA, the best way to do it is not an abrasive approach that only has success in energizing the base

That is part of the plan. Sarah Brady, recalling what Obama told her: “I just want you to know that we are working on it,” Brady recalled the president telling them. “We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar.”

Sarah Brady is disingenuous. Unless you're willing to tell me you believe everything else she says about gun control...

Ever hear of fast & furious or the EPA (whom he appoints the director) wanting to ban lead ammo?

And yet the EPA rejected the request to ban lead ammo.

 

[Old krow]

Like it or not, these are extreme times we are living in.

I agree... for the most part, however, there is a time and place for everything. We can still, as far as I know, vote. It is true that we cannot vote for the DOJ, SCOTUS, and other agencies that love to chip away at everything they can get their hands on, but, I can still vote. Because I can freely vote, so can others. If the goal is to influence or introduce change via the vote, it is possible that we as gun owners can or should find a better argument than what is being made by Nugent to represent our case.

For all anyone knows, he could be spot one, but that message will be lost now because the focus on the message was lost in an emotional tantrum.

IMHO, I'd much rather have Tom Selleck representing the NRA than I would Ted Nugent.

Obama is on the record many times that he would like to reinstate the assault weapons ban, and supported banning all handguns as a senator.

Be that as it may, Congress is a far bigger danger than the POTUS. I do not disagree that he will strike the 2nd when the opportunity presents itself, but the root of the problem itself lies in Congress. Take us to a time when our elected officials represent US instead of these ridiculous parties that divide issues like the RKBA and you'll see this silliness over and done with.

 

[rajb123]

Quote:
Originally Posted by stonecutter2
...I haven't seen anything directly attacking our 2nd amendment rights from the Obama administration. ...

I would say "Fast and Furious" was concieved under Obama's direction and this was designed to create an atmosphere to pass laws that limit gun purchases, sanction so-called assault rifles, etc.

 

[Averageman]

I'm not sure how or when we are supposed to be outraged at some of the political moves that are and have taken place.
I think Mr. Nugent crossed the line, but that being said; when does a conservative ever stand up and cry out BS?
They Dont and they wont, prehaps it is about time a few of them did.
We saw the Black Panthers at polling places clearly intimidating voters.
We have see Operation "Fast and Furious" take place, wasn't this clearly an end run to call for more gun laws? Is or has Holder been accountable?
We have seen the Treyvon Martin shooting being manipulated and the MSM clearly edit tapes to make Zimmerman look worse.
We have the Black Panthers putting a bounty on Zimmermans head.
We have States making laws to ensure only eligable voters vote and Holder jumps in to challange all of them.
We have States trying to protect their International Borders because the Feds, can't or wont.
Now I must ask, WHERE IS THE RIGHTOUS ANGER FROM THE CONSERVATIVES?
There ins't any.
They are too polite, too well mannered and too used to playing by the rules to understand and act against the opposition.
I hate that Mr. Nugent crossed the line, but please someone, anyone stand up and oppose what clearly is a fight against our gun rights and Consitution.

 

[Averageman]

I would say "Fast and Furious" was concieved under Obama's direction and this was designed to create an atmosphere to pass laws that limit gun purchases, sanction so-called assault rifles, etc.

I would say the same for Martin vs Zimmerman.
I think it was cherry picked to go after Concealed Carry, Stand your Ground and The Castle doctrine.

 

[rajb123]

Obama is only the second US president to own zero guns. The other is Billy Clinton who banned so-called assault weapons, cop killer bullets, large magizines, etc.

 

[Arkansas Paul]

I believe he has mental issues possibly by years of drug abuse.

I've already said that I'm not a huge fan, however, I don't think there's ever been any drug abuse with Ted. He claims that he's never done drugs. I don't know of anything to point to him lying about that.

 

[X-Rap]

Our Lives, Fortunes and Sacred Honor
It's impossible to know what's in a persons heart but I believe Ted is willing or already has made this pledge or something similar.
I am sure those who did it originally were viewed as radicals who should be ignored.
Here is an old radical that you all know talking about the topic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3In5LZwG9Io
Here is Paul with another radical speach from 1965.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3Az0okaHig&feature=related
Today he would be called many of the same things TN is being called.

 

[Steel Horse Rider]

The Democrats learned in the 1990 election what crossing the line on the Second Amendment can lead to as far as invigorating the law abiding voter base so they keep their gun control initiatives under the radar and try to institute them through stealthier measures such as the UN treaties, regulations from cabinet level agencies, and false hysteria ginned up by government sponsored problems like F&F. If you believe they are supportive of your individual rights at all you are either informationally challenged or a kool aide drinker in my opinion.

 

[armarsh]

...Sarah Brady is disingenuous. Unless you're willing to tell me you believe everything else she says about gun control...

Well, her husband James, Jim Carney and Obama were also present. This meeting has enjoyed wide coverage in the media. This leaves two possibilities. The first is that the quote is accurate. The second is that it is not. If it was not accurate, then why was it not refuted by Obama and Carney? They have the entire media at their command if they wanted to issue a correction.