Ted Nugent; hurting the cause?

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If you believe they are supportive of your individual rights at all you are either informationally challenged or a kool aide drinker in my opinion.
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If I had have been drinking the drink that I had to buy yesterday, I would have completely spit it up all over my computer. Thankfully, the restriction of that individual freedom was mandated and saved my labtop. :)
 
The Democrats learned in the 1990 election what crossing the line on the Second Amendment can lead to as far as invigorating the law abiding voter base
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Help me out here, what happened in 1990? Crossing the line meant they gained 1 seat in the Senate and 7 in the house? :confused:

Did you mean the 1994 elections where the Democrats lost 9 Senate seats in 54 in the house or am I being "informationally challenged"? :)
 
Steel Horse Rider said:
The Democrats learned in the 1990 election what crossing the line on the Second Amendment can lead to as far as invigorating the law abiding voter base so they keep their gun control initiatives under the radar and try to institute them through stealthier measures such as the UN treaties, regulations from cabinet level agencies, and false hysteria ginned up by government sponsored problems like F&F. If you believe they are supportive of your individual rights at all you are either informationally challenged or a kool aide drinker in my opinion.
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Blanket stereotype statements like this are among the reasons why it's not constructive to discuss politics on this forum. Some Democrats are more supportive of the 2A than some Republicans, and not all Republicans support gun rights.
Folks who aren't drinking Kool Aid should be able to make that distinction. :rolleyes:
It's the same type of over the top statements that gets Ted Nugent into so much trouble. They get repeated so much that folks actually start to think that these statements are acceptable to the general public as if they were true. But they're not acceptable and not true. In an attempt to be a Rush Limbaugh type of political shock jock they just go over the top and alienate folks. Then folks start to characterize each other about whose Kool Aid that they've been drinking and we become divided rather than being focused on the mission.
 
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You know what folks, if you are a fan of Ted or you are not, if it went all down hill with our gun rights, I feel like alot of people would go with him. Our 2A rights are 'ours', not theirs to hand out at their discreation. I think he makes alot of sense and I love to hear him speak. I don't agree with everything he says 100%, but about 99.9% of the time he is exactly right, in my opinion. I would like to see him as our secretary of defense.:cool:

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Why does operation fast and furious keep coming up in this? The OP is about Ted Nugent's outbursts not half cocked conspiracy theorys about Obama. This threads pertinance is questionable.
 
I do not think he is hurting the cause ......... On the contrary he is bringing the cause to the forefront and exposing the ones against the cause for who they are and what they stand for!
 
When you talk about his reasons for the statements he is under scrutiny for F&F looms large in his saying he will be dead or in jail. If you believe as he does that there is an active conspiracy to further neuter the Constitution, especially the 2a then it is relevant.
Frankly I think F&F is of far greater significance to the future of our Republic than was Watergate.
 
Steel Horse Rider said:
ApacheCoTodd: If I remember correctly there were literally thousands of people claiming if George W was elected or re-elected they would be dead or in concentration camps. I can't understand the level of fury against him, he never threatened the President as Louis Farrakhan did, he mostly threatened himself...... I think there is an awful lot of chest thumping around here.
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Divide and conquer. Most here are playing into the "under the radar" method quite well. Let's all let the mass media and left decide what we think, after all, they know better than we do. Right?
 
Mitt Romney would be the third president to never own guns. He claims he owned a shotgun for a year or so, but this has NEVER been substantiated. No record of Mitt has ever surfaced that shows he has ever bought a hunting license either but he claims to have been a duck hunter.

What does this mean?

Beware, no matter who is president after November, your gun rights will be under attack.

TED NUGENT FOR NRA PRESIDENT!!!! Go Ted!
 
My opinion of Ted Nugent went down several notches becasue of an elk hunt he filmed. Ted said the Texas ranch he hunted was the BEST in the world. I looked it up - ranch is only 12 acres!!

TR
 
I'd be willing to bet that Ted is more supportive of your 2nd Amendment right, than y'all are of his First.
 
I heard Ted wanted to stage an elk hunt within the 12 acres of the Bronx zoo but this was not lawful.

...but seriously, the illegal bear harvest is a big problem and I would not be surprised to see his TV show yanked! ...not many avid hunters want to watch a TV host who has violated the game laws...
 
rajb123 said:
I heard Ted wanted to stage an elk hunt within the 12 acres of the Bronx zoo but this was not lawful.

...but seriously, the illegal bear harvest is a big problem and I would not be surprised to see his TV show yanked! ...not many avid hunters want to watch a TV host who has violated the game laws...
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Yeah apparently his quote on his guns being defective can't be extended to his bows.
 
I think that illegal bear hunt is just a politically fueled bunch of bs. I understand how it can be looked at that way but I've wounded animals and not counted that as my tag. It sucks, puts a bad feeling in your gut but it happens. I also see no problem at all with what he said at the NRA convention. I thought it was kind of inspirational and passionate for our rights. I wish more people would think this way. Also Tue news that are making this really look bad like CNN etc are all liberal based news just trying to twist things for their agenda.
 
bubbacrabb said:
I think that illegal bear hunt is just a politically fueled bunch of bs. I understand how it can be looked at that way but I've wounded animals and not counted that as my tag. It sucks, puts a bad feeling in your gut but it happens. I also see no problem at all with what he said at the NRA convention. I thought it was kind of inspirational and passionate for our rights. I wish more people would think this way. Also Tue news that are making this really look bad like CNN etc are all liberal based news just trying to twist things for their agenda.
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Have you done it in Alaska? Look say what you want, but Alaska doesn't mess around with gaming violations, I doubt it's politically motivated bs.
 
I'd be willing to bet that Ted is more supportive of your 2nd Amendment right, than y'all are of his First.
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"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

I don't believe I;ve read anyone calling for Congress to abridge his free speech. Just because a person has the right to say stupid things doesn't mean they should or that we should just shrug it off and say, "Well, that's his right."

It's a shame that people always trot out the 1A as an excuse for people shooting off their mouths. Put more simply, "People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use."
 
I'd be willing to bet that Ted is more supportive of your 2nd Amendment right, than y'all are of his First.
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Really? People here are saying he *can't* be saying those things? I have not seen that in any of the postings.

It sounds like you believe the First Amendment means that one cannot criticize someone for saying something stupid.

You need to do some studying up on what the First Amendment really means.
 
Jorg said:
The Democrats learned in the 1990 election what crossing the line on the Second Amendment can lead to as far as invigorating the law abiding voter base
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Help me out here, what happened in 1990? Crossing the line meant they gained 1 seat in the Senate and 7 in the house?

Did you mean the 1994 elections where the Democrats lost 9 Senate seats in 54 in the house or am I being "informationally challenged"?
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I get the feeling he's talking about the 1994 assault weapon ban that even Clinton later claimed cost them the majority -- in the 1996 election.
But I could be daydreaming.
Anyway that's the only thing I could think of ... ... ...
 
Jorg: You are correct as I was thinking about the response from the Clinton Assault weapons ban, I inadvertently posted the wrong year. Thanks for the correction.

Articap: You have never read of me saying "Republicans good" nor will you ever as the leadership of the Republicans would like to strip the citizenry of their power just as much as the leadership of the Dems. I cannot help what your mind "implies" that I meant so stick with what I actually post please.

Things political have a great impact on our country and to ignore the differences of the parties and the differences within the parties is pure folly. I believe they have even given up trying to build Utopia even in Boulder, Colorado, but it seems segments of our society still yearn for the impossible. This place may prove out the saying that "Ignorance is bliss" when it comes to abandoning the republic our founders left for us.
 
This is a hard call. I never much liked Nugent's music, or even his personality, but he's probably useful as a "flash point" to demonstrate the anger that exists on the Right, not unlike those who publicly (and wildly) protest the hyper-publicized shooting in Florida are being used as tools by the Left.

There probably just needs to be a little more distance between Ted and the official organizations that he represents, such the RP or NRA.

Whatever the reality is, pro-gun advocates should NEVER believe that their spokesman (whoever it may be) will be seen as respectable by the anti-gun forces that oppose them. The anti-gun crowd hated Charleton Heston as much as they hate Ted Nugent. (think Bowling for Columbine.)

If you think Nugent is too extreme, you're probably correct, but you should also probably (re)familiarize yourself with Cass Sunstein to get a reminder of just what we're up against.
 
Jim NE has a real point on that one. No matter how nice and reserved and quiet and apologetic our leaders are, the anti's freedom folks will hate them. We could have God himself on our side and they would hate us, perhaps even more.

If we keep fighting amongst ourselves, get ready for Obama II. You will wish you had not done so.
 
I'd be willing to bet that Ted is more supportive of your 2nd Amendment right, than y'all are of his First.
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There has been absolutely no one in this thread that has said anything remotely resembling taking away his 1st ammendment right. He has the right to say what he wants, and I have the right to think he's an idiot and voice my opinion disagreeing with it.
I'm pretty sure that's both of us excercising our 1st ammendment right.
 
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