WestKentucky
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The Nuge has me split on views. Yes he is out there working for us on various rights, primarily 2A but his methods are a putoff. I would rather have other, more eloquent spokesmen however I do appreciate what he is doing.
Ted Nugent taking a hit for us
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That's EXACTLY the problem. He can alienate 40,000 people in 10 minutes. If one single non-celeb moron spouts off like Ted, he can only poorly represent the 2A community to a couple of people at a time. Ted can poorly represent us with exposure to millions of people.
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GBExpat
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Well said ... I agree.
Not saying that - how he acted with me and my wife, was how he acted with me. For all I know, THAT was the act and how he is on stage is how he really is inside. Only one person knows that - Ted Nugent. The rest of us can only speculate.
We all act differently around different people.
I act differently when I'm teaching an NRA basic pistol class, than when I'm having dinner with clients, or talking with friends around the kitchen table, or meeting with school officials over a misbehaving child, or having a family meeting..
*ALL* of our waking moments of our lives spent around other human beings, are an act - to some degree or another.
Don't misconstrue my statements as an affirmative defense for someone else - we all have free-will to act however we WANT to act, and it's not my duty or obligation to defend anyone else's actions except my own.
I was just adding my anecdotal experience with him because A) it was somewhat relevant, in that he's not 'off the rails' full time, and B) I like occasionally bragging that I've met Ted Nugent... and survived to tell about it.
pockets
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Yep, these sum up my thoughts on Ted Nugent as well.
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The issue the OP raised was of the attempt to "black list" an entertainer because of their political views. That is my concern, and if we start trying to determine how we feel personally about any particular person getting hit by this we are all going to end up on the losing end.
There seems to be a growing trend of retribution against high profile people for their personal views if they are not on board with the mainstream agenda.
Some people will liken this to the so called "McCarthy-ism" of the '50s, but that is another story and I wish people would do their homework regarding what we learned from KGB files after the collapse of the USSR. However, the attempt to discredit people or ruin their personal lives over political beliefs should be considered absolutely unacceptable to any informed pro-gun type person.
The purge crosses into other non-gun-related issues. Several CEOs of major corporations or organizations have been taken down in the last few years for personal beliefs. Pay attention.
We have never had a good name or descriptive term for the people seeking to crush our liberty-based society. We have seen these people in action in other countries over the past 100 years or more and now they are doing their thing here. Our liberty is in peril.
If you read a lot of history from all eras of organized human societies, the common societal norm seems to be: despotic leaders; priest class; warrior class; peasants (slaves). Sometimes a small merchant or skilled trade class. How we got away from that used to be the whole point of history and social studies classes in the US. I believe that these folks that are trying to change or undermine "America" are (whether by thought or by accident) working to return us to the standard normal society that existed in most of the world for most of human history. Guess what percentage of us all become serfs or slaves?
There seems to be a growing trend of retribution against high profile people for their personal views if they are not on board with the mainstream agenda.
Some people will liken this to the so called "McCarthy-ism" of the '50s, but that is another story and I wish people would do their homework regarding what we learned from KGB files after the collapse of the USSR. However, the attempt to discredit people or ruin their personal lives over political beliefs should be considered absolutely unacceptable to any informed pro-gun type person.
The purge crosses into other non-gun-related issues. Several CEOs of major corporations or organizations have been taken down in the last few years for personal beliefs. Pay attention.
We have never had a good name or descriptive term for the people seeking to crush our liberty-based society. We have seen these people in action in other countries over the past 100 years or more and now they are doing their thing here. Our liberty is in peril.
If you read a lot of history from all eras of organized human societies, the common societal norm seems to be: despotic leaders; priest class; warrior class; peasants (slaves). Sometimes a small merchant or skilled trade class. How we got away from that used to be the whole point of history and social studies classes in the US. I believe that these folks that are trying to change or undermine "America" are (whether by thought or by accident) working to return us to the standard normal society that existed in most of the world for most of human history. Guess what percentage of us all become serfs or slaves?
Oh heck, we are ALL just as guilty of that.
Can't count the number of times I've now told business who post no-gun signs that I won't be coming back.
Or how many times I've seen gun owners complain about Pierce Morgan, Rosanne Barr, Tom Cruise, Sylvester Stallone, etc, etc etc....
In fact nothing seems to get gun owners whipped up to a frenzy, quite like an entertainer making anti-gun statements publicly, except (maybe) public gouging during a panic.
We're just getting a taste of our own medicine a little here.
It's not a problem, just both sides exercising their right to exert grassroots influence and pressure.
(The main difference here is anti-gun people are not NEARLY as fickle at abandoning activists, as we are, even if they don't exactly agree with the method of delivery that the agent is using to spread the message. Whether you like him or not he *does* appeal to a wide audience of gun owners that classy-suit-wearing-types DO NOT generally have any influence over..)
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Ted Nugent- "Obama's a piece of s**t, and I told him to suck on my machine gun."
Tom Selleck- “I don’t like to characterize anybody, but I think Liberals tend to have collectivist solutions. The twentieth century has been a collectivist century. Most of our solutions to social problems—even the term ‘social problems’—are collectivist. We’ve had this global experiment, and we’re starting to see the end of the chain letter … It’s just time to reassess things and say that maybe this idea of ‘the common good’ has to be translated through the individual.”
Tom Selleck- “I don’t like to characterize anybody, but I think Liberals tend to have collectivist solutions. The twentieth century has been a collectivist century. Most of our solutions to social problems—even the term ‘social problems’—are collectivist. We’ve had this global experiment, and we’re starting to see the end of the chain letter … It’s just time to reassess things and say that maybe this idea of ‘the common good’ has to be translated through the individual.”
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