Teen Protects Mother, Shoots Abusive Boyfriend

[natedog]

Some say it doesn't come as a surprise that a 17-year-old boy would pull the trigger on a man standing over his mother, still lying beaten on the ground

Who would be surprised by this?

If someone is beating on my mom, they're going to get shot.

 

[Tamara]

JPL,

That's the most poorly written article I've ever read.

Did the reporter even graduate elementary school?

Yes, and with straight A's in Self Esteem, no less.

 

[Bob F.]

Maybe an e-mail campaign or legal defense fund and/or PAC (political action committee) involved in the election of prosecutors in Hoosier country (or threat of same).

Keep us posted! E-mail addy for county?

Good shoot! Buy the boy a steak and some range time!

Stay safe.
Bob

edit: PS: somebody in the area invite Marlee Ginter to the range and coffee.

 

[patentnonsense]

Gearbox said:

Shoot to stop or shoot to kill?

I'd say there is NO DIFFERENCE:
this is a false distinction, which clouds thinking, and leads juries to punish honest citizens wrongly.

I think all of us should attack this notion when we can reasonably do so.

Sounds like this kid did well - though it's hard to tell very much from the ignorant reporting here. (Why wasn't the perp charged with aggravated assault?)

 

[JPL]

Don't even get me started on the "self esteem" track, Tamara.

I've got a kid in school, and what's being passed off as education these days in the public schools is ATROCIOUS.

My wife and I are still talking about it, but it's likely that we're going be employing the services of a private educational facility this coming year.

 

[twoblink]

Personally, I think "his place" is a particle-board box, buried in an unmarked, shallow grave, upside down and backwards.

And you are digging up perfectly good grass for this scum because...

Look, you crawl through my window with intent on hurting me or my family, a few rounds of mojo at 1000+ fps is gonna run up where the sun don't shine.

I have no idea why people have a problem with that concept...

 

[krusty311]

The man recieved what he deserved, if not worse.

 

[38SnubFan]

He was a hero!

Take the perp's assets, sell them, garnish his pay for the rest of his miserable life after prison, and pay for mom's medical bills and therapy for the kid. And shooting lessons.

.....And shooting lessons..... Well said! Teach him better shot placement under the pre-tense of, "Dead people don't testify!"

Just curious, but wouldn't breaking into the apartment up the offense just a little? There's got to be more they can charge this guy with than a simple misdemeanor

Being the fact that her injuries were serious, I would think it would go as an Aggravated Battery. However, last Valentine's Day a BGirl had stabbed me in the side of the face with her fake nails and drew blood which ran down the left side of my head. She's only being charged with Simple Assault. Domestics are very difficult to handle by its very nature, and is really something (because of the legal difficulties in arrest and prosecution) that Public Safety/LEOs such as myself don't like dealing with.

I don't know Indiana laws, but here in PA a Misdemeanor for Assault (especially if he has any violent or drug/alcohol priors) usually ends up with one to five years, depending on the severity of the charge. Only in a Summary Offense would he only receive probation and a fine. Maximum for this offense here would be up to five years in prision (I think) and at a minimum would be probation, restitution, and Community Service. I doubt for the fact this incident made it to newspapers and television that the sentencing is going to be anything but proper and harsh.

As far as prosecution against the teenager goes, I believe highly unlikely. If a threat was perceived, then I would say verbal commands to the attacker would need to be used prior to "drawing down" on him. When the teenager arrived "at scene" the mother was already on the ground, seriously injured and continuing to be attacked. In this case it is no longer "a threat to one's life, health, or safety". It is an actual incident, and the attacker must be stopped, by means that the teenager effectively stops the attack without causing harm to himself. The young man was more than justified, considering he only wounded the attacker when he would have been justified in taking his life (In my opinion, if I'm going to shoot someone I WILL take their life). The opinion of "unarmed attacker" is an oxymoron in my beliefs here. It is conceivable that if the force of the attacker's punches and blows were drawing blood, then they could do damage to someone's internal organs.

A medal? I think that's very much in order, and should a judge and/or jury confirm the young man's actions were justified, I would like to know an address of someone in the local government there we could all send letters of recommendation to. This young man is a hero. I know where I live there have been civilian Medals of Valor issued by government officials for actions such as a child saving the life of someone by using CPR, a bystander pulling someone out of a burning vehicle, and yes, robberies being stopped by armed citizen witnesses holding the offenders at gunpoint until police arrival.

As someone else requested, please, keep us all informed of the outcome of this matter.

Sincerely,
MW

 

[Red Tornado]

You've got to give the kid big points in the self restraint department. If that were my mother(or wife, sister, niece...) on the floor, bleeding... the number of holes in the perp would have been the same as the number of rounds in the pistol.

 

[Noelswifey]

I know this topic is extremely old ( 3 years old) but however this topic hits home, literally. The "17 year old boy" is now my husband and we were together at the time of this incident. I was surfing on the internet and happened to type in Carlos Davadi's (attacker on mother-in-law) name just out of curiousity and this site popped up with numerous comments and lots of interest in the case. To update everyone of the current outcome of this situation... Noel (my husband) was never brought up on charges of any kind. However the sad part of this story is the outcome of Carlos, All charges that were brought up on Carlos were dropped and he recieved nothing, not even a slap on the wrist. To many peoples dismay this was not expected but Indiana's legal system is not as aggressive as it likes to portray itself. We can not understand how he could get away with such an evil scheme but as a witness this was not the first documented abusive attack on his rap sheet so even furthermore I feel he should of been prosecuted to the fullest extent. I guess the ignorance is on the state of Indiana because I think they feel that justice was done since he was shot. What type of example are they giving to the other citizens? Things like this need to stop! On the brighter aspect of this case.. Noel is now 20 years old and we have moved out of state to start a new life.

 

[fletcher]

I'm glad it seems to be working out for you two, and agree it's a shame nothing happened to that thug. I'm very surprised nothing happened.

 

[Noelswifey]

P.S. And he never took the shooting classes by the way.

 

[Heavy Metal Hero]

"I don't know him that well but I know a kid. I know a teenager. And the first thing you think about is the love for you parents. Everything else -- rationality -- goes out the window," said Boyd.

I'd say he acted pretty rational.

 

[Black Adder LXX]

I'm glad it worked out for you both.

 

[TallPine]

Thanks for the update, Noelswifey

Best wishes to both of you.

 

[68'chevelle]

The same thing happen to my aunt, my 10 year old cousin was about to run out there and stab him until I ran out and gave him a beating of a life time, My aunt pressed charges and he'll be in jail for a long time.

 

[Kim]

It is wonderful to know everthing seems to have worked out. And sounds like you got a keeper. He did the right and moral and legal thing.

 

[The_Antibubba]

All charges that were brought up on Carlos were dropped

By the State, or by your mother-in-law?

 

[TheDisturbed1]

im guessing .22, if the guy got shot 3 times and made it to the hospital...

i my self would have to decide whether to make a kill shot or neutralizing shot. i think a 230gr. .45 FMJ to the knee would stop him in his tracks if he was beating on my mother... i'd probably have enough adrenaline to do it by hand as well

 

[brerrabbit]

I'm thinking mousegun too.

He is to be commended for having the moral will to stop shooting once the man attacking his mother was stopped. Noel is not a wannabe, he is a been there done that and has the T-shirt type of man. Until you have done that do not critique his actions too hard.

While we may think about how we may act in that situation, he has done it. While many on the board may criticize him for not killing the BF, This makes him stand just a bit taller in my book. The kid done good and the kid done right.

 

[Dravur]

wow...

In my CCW class they told us to yell, "Stop! I have a gun!" when you draw on someone.

You need a different instructor.

 

[vtoddball]

What instructors tell you to say...
"Stop! I have a gun!" .......Bang!

What liberal, anti-gunners want you to say...
"Please stop. Your coming in here violates my personal space and I would really appreciate it if you could leave before I contact the authori.....Ow! Please stop hitting me. Hey!! Those are illegal. You can't have a gun.

What the cops assigned to speak with the media want you to say...
"I'm going to shoot you and it will work out this time, but in the future I should really leave it up to properly trained law enforcement to deal with this."

What the media wants you to do...
"Stop! I'm going to shoot you, but you're going to turn out to be my daughter sneaking in late from an environmental protest and after paralyzing you, some more bullets are going to go through the window and hit a bunch of kids across the street sleeping peacefully in their beds and a bunch of nuns out for a late night stroll. By morning my collection of 3 shotguns, 2 rifles and a pistol will be deemed an arsenal of automatic weapons, confiscated and photographed on a large table with some pocket knives and a set of nunchuks I don't even own and Harry Potter will be off the front page for a day or two. *bangbangbang* *innocents scream in the distance*

What the Washington D.C. mayor wants you to say...
"Stop I have a.....some parts. Lets see....this goes here and this slides here....Hey don't move! This goes in here. Crap! I hate those freakin springs. They go everywhere. Hey! Yours was already put together. No fair!

What OSHA wants you to say...
"Stop!! I have a gun! *clickclickclick*

What drunk rednecks always seem to say...
"Why won't this cleaning rod go all the way in? Maybe if I shove it harder....no....allrighty, I'll just give the trigger a quick littl*bang*......Darlin'!!!! Where's the duct tape and the phone?"

What most Americans think should be done....
*bang*...*bang*...*bang* Stop!! I have a gun! ........*bangbang*.............*bang* *nudges body with foot* *bang*

 

[fireflyfather]

i my self would have to decide whether to make a kill shot or neutralizing shot. i think a 230gr. .45 FMJ to the knee would stop him in his tracks if he was beating on my mother... i'd probably have enough adrenaline to do it by hand as well

So, you're going to shoot the guy in the kneecap while he is STANDING OVER YOUR MOTHER'S LIMP BODY? What, are you the world's shortest midget, or did you neglect to check your backstop? (your mom would be the backstop in this situation if you miss)

There is no difference between a "kill shot" and a "neutralizing shot". The body parts that will reliably STOP a threat in a timely fashion are the ones that will likely end the attacker's life. It would be nice if we all had an "incapacitate but never kill" button we could push on every criminal's shoulder, but we don't (and even that would get abused by some).

You shoot for center of mass, and if necessary, the head, to provide a quick STOP. Once the threat is over, you call for an ambulance. Do it any other way and expect a lengthy jail term, hospital stay, or entombment.

Shooting the weapon out of the hand, disabling leg shots, and all that other BS is just BS for hollywood blockbusters, not real life defense.

 

[68'chevelle]

My instructor (and police) told me if someone is threating you, your family, or
or your property you have the right to protect your self and your family no matter what it takes.

 

[DogBonz]

What about B&E

This scum bag ripped out a screen and climbed through a window... Isn't that called "BREAKING AND ENTERING?". Isn't that a felony in most places?