Teen shoots cops with WWII "sniper" rifle...

[The Deer Hunter]

maybe with some duct tape though.....

 

[Ridgerunner665]

I know that...but if he had used a pistol or weaker rifle it would have made a difference.
Maybe the next guy (hopefully wont be one...but) will have a 9mm.

 

[Ridgerunner665]

[/QUOTNo vest without at least level III trauma plates would have stopped those .30-06 rounds...E]

I know that...but if the kid had used something else, 9mm or even a weak rifle it would have helped. They didnt know he had a 30-06.

EDIT: sorry for the double tap...trying to get the "quote" to work

 

[tkarter]

Wasn't the gun at all that cuased the problem no matter what gun it was. It was a kid that needed help he didn't get.

Losing kids is the worst thing our society does. IMHO

The lost kids hurting others even makes it worse.

tk

 

[SteelyNirvana]

I used to smoke pot myself (for about 15 years) not a lot of it, just a puff or 2 after work to wind down and relax...same thing people use a 6 pack of beer for...havent touched any in a few years, but speaking from my own experience...that had nothing to do with it either.
Pot is not that type of drug...I'm not saying its a good habit by any means, but its no worse than smoking cigarettes (except that its illegal)

Yeah, I know someone myself who smoked pot 8 years. They always battled depression and the pot didn't make anything better. They finally realized this and gave it up. They told me they weren't sue why they did it for so long, just as a social thing I guess. All it did for them was make them tired and were pretty much a zombie the entire time they were stoned. Point I'm trying to make is pot and all drugs effect different folks different ways. I myself smoked cigarettes for 12 years and I quit in December of '05 cold turkey and never looked back. I guess it all depends on your body makeup.

 

[LiquidTension]

"There was nothing to indicate to the officers that it was anything more than a routine domestic call," Henderson said.

This reeks of complacency on the part of the officers. There is no such thing as a "routine" domestic call any more than there is a "routine" traffic stop. In my state, disturbance calls are the #2 cause of death for officers. I am NOT in ANY WAY blaming the officers for the actions of the kid - just making an observation that apparently has passed by many here.

And I guess this shoots the "peaceful pothead" theory in the ass.

Yeah, because one example proves your prejudiced and unsupported opinion beyond a shadow of a doubt Seriously - do some research before typing. Lazy and unmotivated potheads may be, but violent they are not. I have MUCH more experience with them than you do.

There is no such thing as responsible drug use, and anyone who believes there is shouldn't posses a gun. You are obviously living in a delusional world.

Wow. I guess I should turn in my badge and my duty gun, because that beer I had after work is "irresponsible drug use" and I'm mentally incompetent due to living in a "delusional world." Did you even read that before you posted it?

 

[Prince Yamato]

I don't think it was the pot. I loathe pot... but I think the mother was probably a nut. She called the cops on the kid, right? For what, doing marijuana once? Now, don't get me wrong, if he was my kid, I'd knock his teeth out (metaphorically speaking of course) for bringing drugs into the house, but calling the cops on your son? I think the kid stressed out, had a moment of panic, thought his life was over, shot at the cops, then realized his life really was over after that, then shot himself.

The whole thing is a damn tragedy. Frankly, I think a-hole parents, teachers, and worthless psychiatrists are more behind these teen/school shooters than the actual kids. The kids are always ungodly teased or pressured or something else. I know life is full of challenges, but this generation Y (like 1985+) is pretty screwed up. I know parents have always been saying that about the "younger generation". But his ain't the Pepsi Generation rebelling with whatever the new music is, these are kids who are on all sorts of (prescribed!) psychiatric drugs, have MASSIVE family problems, and lets not even get in to how screwy public schools are.

I'm not saying we should forgive the little turd for killing cops, but I think society needs to stop blaming inanimate objects (guns) and start hitting the root of these wacko's problems.

 

[Alphazulu6]

Try him as an adult.

 

[Orthonym]

What Prince Yamato said, and concur, and amen, and Preach It Brother!

 

[Geronimo45]

Minutes later, Henderson said, the boy posted a message on his Web page that said: "I just killed two cops. Goodbye."

What is it with these crazy people and the internet?

 

[coylh]

Yeesh. If you can afford a Garand, you can afford a gun safe.

 

[silverlance]

"honors student" often means that the kid got an a on a test in one of his six periods, including PE.

that said, what everyone seems to be missing is how HORRIBLE the mother must be feeling right now, especially since she made the call that sent the cops over.. sigh*

 

[10 Ring Tao]

More victims of the War on Some Drugs.

 

[Koos Custodiet]

While the boy deserves blame, maybe this is another result of the War on Drugs and Zero Tolerance mindset.

You know, I was going to say that, and then you beat me to it.

 

[Fulcrum of Evil]

> He got busted on a misdemeanor pot charge. Why did his mom call the cops? What was the nature of their confrontation? Certainly there are a lot of questions.

My guess is that he was in an insulated suburbia bubble and freaked out. When the worst thing you usually have to deal with is sucking at gym, suddenly having the cops looking for you on a drug charge can really screw up your perspective (i.e. you don't have any)

 

[Fulcrum of Evil]

> You would really have to define ''Responsible drug use'' in some meaningful way.

That's fairly easy: can you do drugs and hold down a normal job? Do you have enough self control not to get messed up and go drive somewhere? If so, you're a responsible user.

For instance, I use caffeine and alcohol in moderation. If it were legal, I could possibly use cocaine responsibly (as I understand it, most users are casual anyway). I probably could anyway, but the illegality makes it to risky and expensive for something I don't care too much about. Pot around here is fairly easy to come by, though. I suppose I could get some if I wanted to.

As a couter to the whole anti-drug thing, I heard a guy yesterday talk about how he needed pot to deal with the mind numbing boredom of his job. I find the idea of drug use making burgerflipping bearable amusing somehow.

 

[Cork]

I have experienced the pain of a child going into addiction. I locked down everything, even hunting knifes. It was hell. Never had any fear of something like this, I was very concerned about depression. Even with access to a weapon or a thousand weapons nothing justifies cold blooded murder, especially of LEO's. Now everyone involved has their lives ruined by a stupid senseless act. Even myself as a gun rights supporter very remote from this incident is harmed by media hype and mislabelling of the weapon. My child is is now a sober adult, in college and seems to be coming along fine, one day at a time. Still I am not pushing the shooting sports on him until I have more confidence in his long term success. We all have responsibiliies even though the actual performer makes the final decision.
Cork

 

[Mannix]

Damn shame. Seems to me like the kid was confronted with a situation outside what he was raised to view as acceptable, totally flipped out, shot 2 officers, came to his senses, decided life in prison was way outside the realm of what he could accept, and took his own life.

Atleast 2 lives ruined forever. I can't imagine what the parents must be feeling, or the families of the officers for that matter.

 

[Battlespace]

Last night news on this

I watched the Louisville news on this last night. The kid's dad was arrested that night for being intoxicated. The M1 was shown without a scope, just standard sights. They did show one from an exhibit somewhere as it was in a display case, but later in the newscast they had a well worn one that was supposedly the one used in the shooting.

The deputy that died left a 2 YO daughter and a young wife behind. The one who is in the hospital has two daughters both under two and a wife. Prayers for all of them.

 

[Alex45ACP]

Chalk up another 3 lives ruined due at least in part to the War on (people who use certain types of) Drugs... when will the insanity end?

 

[jselvy]

I am usually one of the first to jump on the Police for their actions.
This case, however, there is nothing to jump on. It seems that the kind just wigged. It is unfortunate, but unpreventable.

Jefferson

 

[Autolycus]

The parents did not necessarily know he was a drug user and had just confronted the kid.

Either way it sounds like the officers were just doing their job and this is a tragedy. I dont think they were acting like thugs in this case.

 

[romma]

If we had only stayed out of World War II, there would have been no need to design such an evil weapon known as a fully loaded semi-auto sniper rifle who's sole purpose is made to kill!

There! I beat them to it!

 

[Autolycus]

Originally posted by Joe7cri:
There is no such thing as responsible drug use, and anyone who believes there is shouldn't posses a gun. You are obviously living in a delusional world.

Have you ever had a beer? A ciggarette? A cup of coffee? A Pepsi? A Coke?

All of those are drugs. Yet they are legal. Why should weed be any different?

 

[buzz_knox]

I have read post that called for the killing of cops as justified. Maybe the posters where just fringe nut, or DU trolls trying to draw attention to this site but people have posted such comments in the past.

Want to add some context to that statement? Was the recommendation to shoot in reference to someone coming through the door at 2 a.m. without identifying themselves, or was it due to a traffic stop?