Teens lucky BB gun victim didn't shoot back.

[Sistema1927]

Am I the only one who feels these kids should be prosecuted, and the parents should be in the cell next to them?

If you can find them. I would bet that "Dad" can't be found, and is probably nothing more than a sperm donor. The break down of the family leads to this type of criminal behavior.

 

[XD-40 Shooter]

45 ACP vs BB gun, 45 ACP wins.....lol! Had this guy had his 45 and had drawn on these two thugs, they probably would have ran like hell, looking at a 45 is awefully intimidating. I agree, they are lucky they didn't get shot, as he wasn't carrying that night. Odds are, they will run into someone that is carrying at some point, then they will pay a severe price for thier actions. I don't have much sympathy for them, they chose this course of action.....stupid punks.

 

[Joe Demko]

I hate smirking teenagers. I deal with them every day. The smirk stays there until Something Really Bad happens to wipe it off. I've seen my students arrested on very serious charges and go smirking all the way to the court. The smirk stayed in place right up 'til sentencing, when they realized that they were going away for many years. Then the smirk was replaced with tears and cries of remorse.
It'd cause me to lose not a minute of sleep if "Dr. Death" had killed both of those hooligans. In his place, I'd have killed them.

 

[cassandrasdaddy]

i ran it before a jury of their peers 8 kids in juvi drug court program were as harsh as the harshest here. the lightest punishment recomended was a real beating shame beatings aren't allowed anymore

 

[Pigspitter]

You usually rethink that being a junior thug is a good idea when a. someone chases you down or b. someone starts shooting back.

 

[ilbob]

Stretchman, you can't be serious. You honestly want to try a 14 year old kid as an adult and charge him with 2 felonies for shooting someone with a BB gun? That's a bit much don't you think?

He committed the crime, he should do the time.

I am sick of us giving people a pass on criminal acts because they are under some magic age.

Besides, a big part of punishing crime is to deter others from committing similar acts.

 

[revjen45]

The little twerps are lucky they weren't shot. The guano about community service and probation is why they think they can do that kind of thing. A couple of rounds in the chest would have broken them of sucking eggs in a big hurry. I would have taken it as a potentially lethal assault, as a CO2 powered pellet gun can indeed blind you, and dealt with the situation the same as if they had firearms. No, I'm not filled with blood lust- just not willing to be harmed and let it go.
Post #79: Yup, a good old fashioned Singapore style caning in public would be just the ticket. After their gluteii have been reduced to hamburger while they blubber for Mommy before a delighted crowd they are unlikely to be smirking about it or doing it again. I saw a video of a caning in Malaysia- it was nothing you want to go through. It made a tough man cry out.

 

[ishida]

If I were to do anything like this, I would probably be dead. My father does not live with us, my parents are divorced. I grew up with my Grandfather, who is a Veteran of the Airborne Rangers. Needless to say, even though he is old he would have whooped my ass for months, with a very large stick. Or else he would shoot me.

+1 for the public caning. In front of the High School they go to, or the middle of the Mall.

 

[jefnvk]

So say they are charged with felonies, and locked up for 10-15 years. Now, they are getting out at 25-30, have no education, gonna have a hell of a tiem getting a job, probably no home to go to. Is that going to help them? IMHO, over punishment is going to cause as many problems as no punishment.

Lock them up for a few weeks, release them, and send them back on with their lives. They screw up again, come down harder on them. Chances are, they'll learn a lesson.

 

[thorn726]

Am I the only one who feels these kids should be prosecuted, and the parents should be in the cell next to them?
If you can find them. I would bet that "Dad" can't be found, and is probably nothing more than a sperm donor. The break down of the family leads to this type of criminal behavior.

HEY- don't forget the rich kids.
the bullys i dealt with when very young were always the rich kids with spoiling parents
"my son would never do that, this is all a lie"
yeah right, then where's my bike after you and buddies were seen taking mine, and why did his friend's parents get their kid to find the parts they had left, rebuild my bike, and give it back to me?

and of course they all got away with almost no punishment.

"Good" families are just as good at raising bad kids.

further i have friends here who had all the strikes against them-
black, no dad, gang friends, bad hood-
who are the most respectable citizens, and nicest people you would ever meet.
in fact one of them had a telescope they made put on the space station, another, also a UC grad, is a married father - and a great one.

not to say the parents in this sit. don't belong in the next cell, but judging a kid's future by his parents isn't the best idea. encouraging failure breeds failure

 

[76shuvlinoff]

When I was young and shoved my little sister my older brothers wailed the sh*t outta me. Dad didn't even have to bother. It was a quick lesson in cause and affect.

Send em to jail and they just learn to be better thugs.

I would suggest to line em against a wall and shoot them with pellets till they bleed out of the ears. Fine with me if it's the wall at the mall.

.02

 

[Hauptmann]

What those kids needed was a dad that beat the hell out of them(spanked, not abused) when they did wrong, and rewarded them when they did right. That's how you get through to testosterone laiden boys who test authority.

If it was me, I would put several bullets center mass on the punk with the pellet gun once he presented it to me and told the court I thought it was a real gun.

 

[akodo]

chris in va, If I got shot by a 14 year old kid with a BB gun and walked away with nothing more than a few cuts and bruises, no I would not want to see the kid sit in a jail cell next to a 35 year old rapist or murderer. They are kids for Christ's sake.

First off, let's inject a bit of reality here. It is my understanding that even if a person under the age of 18 is tried as an adult and convicted, he is incarcerated seperately from the adult population until his 18th birthday.

Second, if the two criminals were charged and convicted as juvinilles, yea, serving 6 months in lockup with similar aged young criminals or something similar is quite reasonable.

Third, to sidestep the comments of 'sure, put them in juvie so they can learn how to be REAL criminals' that is a flaw of the system, yes, but that also applies to adult jail too. What now, we cannot lock up anyone short of serial raping axe murdering bomb makers because of the possiblility they will learn more criminal tricks when inside?

 

[Double Naught Spy]

El Barto said,

Were the teens lucky? No, I don't think so in this case. This was a demonstration of responsible firearm ownership by Mr. Breczinski.

From the article,

Although he is licensed to carry a concealed weapon and had taken target practice earlier in the evening, Breczinski said he had opted against taking his .45-caliber Ruger to the mall with him that night.

I am not sure how having a concealed carry license and then going out without a gun is responsible firearm ownership. Instead, the lawyer appears to have been quite unprepared for any sort of attack.

Contrary to the article, Mr. Breczinski is the lucky one. Not only was he not armed, he charged the kids at a point when they were not continuing to act in a threatening manner to him. Aside from the BB gun, he had no idea how they were armed. It would have been much more prudent for him to seek cover. Instead, he suffered minor wounding from several other shots

 

[REPOMAN]

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And to think these kids are able to breed

 

[Rumble]

Aside from the fact that he chose not to carry, and then gave chase to two people with a weapon (brave, sure; probably foolish, too) - if he had been carrying, and ended up drawing and/or shooting one or both of these guys, whats his legal exposure?

He had reason to believe that the weapon was a BB gun. He acknowledged that when he asked them if they'd just shot him. He was shot a couple more times, with the gun. I'm not disputing that these kids are flirting with disaster and pretty much deserve what they get, but how likely is it that his lawyer would be able to successfully argue "reasonable belief of imminent death or grievous harm" (or whatever the standard is) when it could be argued that he had a non-zero suspicion that it was a BB gun?

Although I know that BB guns are definitely dangerous, they don't have the...fear factor of a "real gun" to the general populace.

 

[40SW]

Rumble:
Fear factor? You can't be serious.
Today's air guns are down right lethal. Straight from the Gammo website.
The PRO AIR HUNTER features.
http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/21EVJQHGD2L._SS500_.jpg
1. Fully adjustable rear sight.
2. Raised dovetail for telescopic sights.
3. .177 Master point pellets clocking over 1300 fps.
4. walnut or handfinished beech stock.
5. Manual block safety.
6. Solid steel construction with blued finish
7. 17.5 steel barrel.
8. 5 shot group average of 0.55 inches at 15 yards.
9. Excellent for small varmint control.
I don't know about you, but this aint my dad's daisy airguns.
Yes, If someone pointed that at me, I would be intimidated and one could certainly make the case for an escalating response.

 

[Gord]

He had reason to believe that the weapon was a BB gun.

He had reason to believe that the first weapon was a BB gun. Once he started to give chase, one of the kids then lifted up his shirt and exposed/drew another.

If you look at the links in one of my previous posts, most of the BB pistols that Daisy and Crosman are putting out these days are dead ringers for 1911s, S&W autos, even a combat revolver. The only way to tell they're "fake" even from up close is the little screw-in where the magazine should be for the CO2 cartridge. Not easy to see at distance, while running or scuffling, or if one has one's hand over it.

I believe the only reason that kid wasn't shot DRT when he exposed this second gun is that Mr. Breczinski was not carrying a firearm at the time.

It's not hard to theorize that they could have been trying to "draw out" people with the BB gun, run, and then mug people with a "real" gun in a quieter spot if they gave chase - or just that a punk who's willing to sit in full view of the public and shoot people in the neck obviously doesn't have a lot of qualms about harming people.

 

[40SW]

Tactical Ninja:
Well said, exactly my point, alot of the so called "less lethal" and CO2 stuff is made to mimick and emulate actual rimfire and centerfire platforms.
Aka, Walther P22's, Beretta 92s, etc.
Granted many of them have orange muzzles and some are even transparent, but refer to my Gamo example in the above post. It LOOKS like a centerfire rifle platform.
The rules of safety and engagement apply just as much to pneumatic, co2, and bb platforms just as much as they do to rimfire and centerfire.
The fact that these punks posses a mindset to point a muzzle of a platform that fires a projectile at a human being separates them in great magnitude from 5 year old boys who are using slingshots against squirrels in the forest. BIG DIFFERENCE HERE!!!!!

 

[rtroha]

About five years ago here in Cleveland, two nineteen-year-olds were driving down the street. They shot a younger teen with a BB gun, the BB entered the teen's heart and killed him. They shed the usual tears as they were sentenced to prison.

 

[40SW]

As an NRA certified firearms instructor , we work vigilantly to reinforce the fact that pneumatic, co2, and compressed air platforms should adhere to the same cardinal rules of safety that platforms which shoot rimfire and centerfire cartridges.
If I had a dime from every parent who has said to me. "oh, yeah, its only a bb gun " or "its only an air gun" . Obvioulsy we understand that the pellet ballistics are weaker than those of rimfire and centerfire platforms, but they can still do SERIOUS DAMAGE or cause a DEATH.
The NRA has done alot with neighborhood air gun education programs ,but MUCH MORE needs to be done.
Just ask a law enforcement officer how they felt when a compressed air rifle or bb gun was pointed at them. Ask them how they responded. This type of behaivior needs to be taken very seriously.