Teflon Bullets?

[myusername]

A local reporter here in New Orleans has been charged with his wifes murder. In a statement from the Sheriff in Jefferson Parish the Sheriff said he bought Teflon Coated Bullets from a gun shop.

The only thing I could think of is NyClads. Could someone tell me what they may be talking about.

Marinello booked with wife's murder
WWL radio personality Vince Marinello was booked with the second degree murder of his wife last week.

Sheriff Harry Lee said Marinello is the scruffy man on the bicycle captured on video in the parking lot of a Metairie office tower shortly after Mary Elizabeth Marinello was shot twice in the head. In addition, Lee said Vince Marinello recently purchased a fake mustache used as a disguise in the murder. He also went to a gunshop with a .38-caliber pistol to ask the gunshop owner if it worked. When it did, he bought Teflon-coated bullet, the same kind recovered from the victim’s body.

Marinello initially told investigators he did not own a .38-caliber pistol, but Lee said the Sheriff's Office was later contacted by the gunshop owner, who told investigators about Marinello's visit to his shop.

Lee also said a witness came forward to tell investigators about seeing Marinello purchasing a fake mustache from a shop.

Investigators executing a search warrant of Marinello’s residence and FEMA trailer Wednesday night found a bevy of evidence connecting Marinello to the killing, including a list of things to do after the crime, Lee said.

The list included throwing the murder weapon into a waterway and painting the bike, Lee said.

The sheriff said his alibi that he was in Jackson, Miss., to watch a football game fell apart when witnesses recanted their testimony on when he arrive there.

Questioned earlier this week, the witnesses said he didn’t arrive until after the 7:30 p.m. kickoff of the New Orleans Saints game, allowing enough time for him to commit the crime and make the drive to Jackson.

Marinello turned himself in at the Jefferson Parish Correctional Center in Gretna at 3 p.m. today.

He was accompanied by two lawyers, criminal attorney Donald “Chick” Foret and David Courcelle, who has represented Marinello in a divorce case. After walking him to the door of booking area at the entrance of the prison, Marinello’s attorneys left without comment.

Marinello, who was not handcuffed, was wearing a red athletic shirt and black workout pants

 

[Deanimator]

They have no clue. They might as well be calling the Art Bell show to say they saw Bigfoot get off of a UFO.

 

[HankB]

NyClads were coated with nylon, weren't they? Otherwise they'd have been "TefClads." In any case, they haven't been made for years.

The only "teflon coated" bullets I know of were the original KTW armor-piercing rounds of the '70s and '80s; they were originally made of a tungsten alloy - far too hard to be engraved by the rifling - so a thick teflon coating was applied to protect the bore, take the rifling, and impart spin. The teflon had little or nothing to do with enhancing their armor-piercing properties. They were only sold to law enforcement, the tungsten was eventually changed to bronze, the teflon coating went away, and I don't know if they're even made any more.

Sounds like the sheriff just displayed his ignorance.

 

[myusername]

I meant that NyClads were the only thing I could think of that people may call Teflon Coated. Mostly due to their looks.

 

[proud2deviate]

Didn't the old Black Talon rounds have some sort of evil bore-slickum coating? Could've been those. . .

 

[Hkmp5sd]

It was "butter flavored" Pam non-stick cooking spray.

 

[Tory]

MSM Drivel

When it did, he bought Teflon-coated bullet, the same kind recovered from the victim’s body.

What, gun stores now sell "loosies?"

As noted above, the only bullets truly coated with Teflon I have ever heard of were the original KTW rounds from 30 years ago. Never sold to the general public and now LONG gone.

I'm betting it was Nyclads or an SD load with the black oxide aluminum jacket, like the old Black Talons.

 

[Geronimo45]

This is awfully stupid, even for a criminal. Buy bullets, then shoot somebody right afterwards. On top of that, make a list as to what you'll do...
how the heck is this guy only getting charged with 2d degree murder?

 

[Snowdog]

Until I saw the caliber, I suspected it could've been the old Winchester Black Talon with the black Lubalux coating. Though now I guess they were Federal Nyclads since Winchester never made a Black Talon in .38 special, IIRC (though I know they offered the .357mag in this line).

It's amazing how all moly/nylon/ lubalux coatings are described as "Teflon". Naughty naughty Dupont... putting their evil products on everything. It's just a matter of time when someone shoots Teflon bullets from a "high powered" AK-47 assault rifle.

 

[Nio]

When it did, he bought Teflon-coated bullet, the same kind recovered from the victim’s body.

I listened to the whole announcment as it happened, and Harry did NOT say the word Teflon. He said that that the bullets had a coating on them, but he did not say what that coating was. He did say that part of the bullet identification came from identifying the coating, but he did NOT say Teflon.

Nio

 

[weregunner]

Anybody remember a ammo company named KTW?A few decades ago this company manufactured armor piercing bullets and only law enforcment could by them.The media went on a bender because the bullet had a teflon coat on each bullet.The reason why escapes me.The press was screaming that these 'cop killer bullets" referred to any every report they put out were going to kill hunrdeds if not thousands of police,disregarding the fact civilians couldn't buy them and LE were the only ones who could possess the ammo.Somehow the press decided that the teflon was responsible for the penetrating aspects of the KTW round.Penetrating abillity had to do with the titanium alloy{did I get the right metal?} and the sharp point.Teflon supposedly let the bullet slip through the layers of Kevlar the vests were made of.Physics proved the hysterical media wrong.Tell a lie long enough and it is taken for fact by the public who doesn't challenge the veracity of media claims.This is the same media who wrote that the Nuetron bomb would leave buildings but kill the people.What the creator of the bomb himself had said was that Nato could engage the Russians in the open rural areas of Europe and blast the attacking armies away from urban locations. Thus large numbers of casualties would be spared .How do buildings survive an atomic blast and a temperature hotter than the sun's interior and leave the people?Media types didn't do their homework.But what the heck,why let facts get in the way.Physics proved the media wrong again.Urban legends are almost impossible to kill.Just saw the post above mine here.If teflon wasn't named,this is just an exercise in history.

 

[Cosmoline]

The story is total bravo sierra. The myth is total bravo sierra.

 

[ccw9mm]

Here in Oregon, teflon bullets are specifically disallowed, as they're deemed to be "cop killers", "armor piercing" or whatever else you want to call them. In other words, they penetrate too easily. Its in the statutes, and you're in deep doo-doo if'n you carry them.

That's fine, as 420 ft-lb 9mm works just fine in that regard. No PTFE needed.

 

[myusername]

I figured it was either the media making it up or the Sheriff trying to make it sound scarier, like the NOPD officer that was talking about the steel bullets that will go through engine blocks. I'm glad to hear that Lee didn't actually make that statement.

I didn't know if there was something out there that I didn't know about that could be called Teflon Coated.

 

[Cosmoline]

Here in Oregon, teflon bullets are specifically disallowed, as they're deemed to be "cop killers", "armor piercing" or whatever else you want to call them. In other words, they penetrate too easily. Its in the statutes, and you're in deep doo-doo if'n you carry them.

What statute? What bullets? There are a wide array of coated bullets in use for rifles, and none of those coatings have ANYTHING to do with penetration.

For the last fricking time, THEY DO NOT PENETRATE TOO EASILY!!!! IT IS A DAMN LIE SO PLEASE STOP REPEATING IT!! The coatings are used to protect lands, and play NO role in penetration, which is a function of velocity, momentum and sectional density.

 

[Snowdog]

GRRRRRRR

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GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!



Aneurysms can ruin your day.

 

[ccw9mm]

What statute? What bullets? There are a wide array of coated bullets in use for rifles, and none of those coatings have ANYTHING to do with penetration.

Oregon Revised Statutes 166.350. See below.

Technically, both (a) possession of teflon-coated bullets and (b) intent for extreme penetration are both required in order for the statute to stick on you, but trying to explain one's claim that deeper penetration wasn't part of the goal of such ammo is one of those things not easily understood as valid, when spoken from a jail cell. Of course, the statute limits its applicability to felons, so perhaps that's the "out" for the rest of us.

For the last fricking time, THEY DO NOT PENETRATE TOO EASILY!!!! IT IS A DAMN LIE SO PLEASE STOP REPEATING IT!! The coatings are used to protect lands, and play NO role in penetration, which is a function of velocity, momentum and sectional density.

Uh, go tell that to the "fricking" Oregon legislature. Not my ruling, nor my wording. ORS 166.350 is suitably vague, effectively requiring only that teflon or similar coatings be a part of the build of a bullet that penetrates more deeply. Whether or not lies/deception put it there, it is a statute on the Oregon books, in all its vagueness.

YMMV, of course, if you live elsewhere.

Oregon Revised Statutes 166.350 Unlawful possession of armor piercing ammunition. (1) A person commits the crime of unlawful possession of armor piercing ammunition if the person:

(a) Makes, sells, buys or possesses any handgun ammunition the bullet or projectile of which is coated with Teflon or any chemical compound with properties similar to Teflon and which is intended to penetrate soft body armor, such person having the intent that the ammunition be used in the commission of a felony; or

(b) Carries any ammunition described in paragraph (a) of this subsection while committing any felony during which the person or any accomplice of the person is armed with a firearm.

(2) As used in this section, “handgun ammunition” means ammunition principally for use in pistols or revolvers notwithstanding that the ammunition can be used in some rifles.

(3) Unlawful possession of armor piercing ammunition is a Class A misdemeanor. [1985 c.755 §2; 1987 c.158 §29]

 

[TexasRifleman]

Wow, I carry those "teflon coated" NyClads in my CCW revolver.

I'm even more dangerous than I previously thought

 

[Geno]

+1 nothing to do with "penetrate"

That is an all-time urban myth. The coating protected the barrel, period. There are currently the exact tyope bullet available w/o the Teflon, but as hard, etc.

We do ourselves no good deed when we also put out "catch-phrases" as "armor-piecing teflon" bullets. And just for fun, a .357 Mag will NOT penetrate a Chevy 350 engine block. An additional urban myth.

Let's send this to Myth Busters; it would be fun to watch, and those guys love getting their guns out.

Doc2005

 

[ccw9mm]

Of course. Yet, such "cream puff" statutes exist. Fairly ludicrous, given the coatings' real purpose. Perhaps such silliness could be reversed from the Myth Busters folks.

 

[zoom6zoom]

It goes without saying that there are few things more exaggerated or misrepresented that the capabilities of bullets.

I'm still looking for those mythical .22 rounds that can go in your toe, travel up your spine, blow your brains out, then come out your ear, go back in time and kill your great-grandma so that no one in your family was ever born.

 

[cuervo]

Here is something similar to the Wikipedia entry:
http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvcopk.html

 

[Father Knows Best]

Oregon Revised Statutes 166.350. See below.

Technically, both (a) possession of teflon-coated bullets and (b) intent for extreme penetration are both required in order for the statute to stick on you, but trying to explain one's claim that deeper penetration wasn't part of the goal of such ammo is one of those things not easily understood as valid, when spoken from a jail cell. Of course, the statute limits its applicability to felons, so perhaps that's the "out" for the rest of us.

Actually, the statute you quoted is extremely narrow and of almost no impact on anyone. First of all, it excludes rifle cartridges, so no worries about any coated bullets there.

More importantly, it only prohibits possession of coated bullets "having the intent that the ammunition be used in the commission of a felony" or "while committing any felony during which the person or any accomplice of the person is armed with a firearm." In other words, it's not illegal to make, sell or own teflon coated pistol ammo as long as you don't intend to commit a felony with it, and don't actually commit a felony with it. Since I don't intend to ever commit a felony, I wouldn't be worried. And if I in fact commit a felony with a firearm, I've got bigger concerns than the possibility of a Class A misdemeanor conviction for doing it with teflon-coated bullets.

The law is a joke. It's not atypical, however. The legislators needed to pass "something" to show the sheeple that they were taking action to protect them from this dangerous menace. The media dutifully report that a ban has been passed on teflon coated bullets, when in fact the law accomplishes absolutely nothing.

If all gun laws were like this one, I'd be happy.

 

[High_Cap]

Federal made some for a while some coated bullet then pulled them off the market for what ever reason. Shoot very well I still have a few.

Supposedly the bullet doesn't print well in the rifling. Don't know if there is any truth to that or not.

 

[myusername]

Today's newspaper says that they are NyClad bullets that have a teflon coating.