Tell me about limp wristing.

[BluesBear]

It's NOT about being able to take an extra ¼ second to get a better grip.
it's about being injured and/or having to use your other hand to save your assets.
Or do you believe that only healthy fit people meed guns that function properly?

What if you've just fallen down a flight of stairs or found yourself on the wrong end of a knife slash? Shouldn't your weapon still be functional?
It seems to me that this is the exact time that you need your weapon to be extra reliable.

 

[BullRock]

1911Tuner

If the gun is right, it shouldn't hang up no matter how it's gripped...Two fingers...Upside down...Sideways...and all in between. However, some people seem to have a knack for inducing malfunctions in dead reliable pistols.

IMHO, this is right on!!!

 

[mick53]

hey,

sure there is such a thing as "limp wristing."

but i agree, if you pull the trigger the projectile should fire and the shell should eject.

i saw a guy at a gun range who had his semi pointed downrange as he was (as he later explained) checking out a trigger job on a semi-auto .45 (the make escapes me at the moment). he had one in the chamber and KNEW it, by the way.

he said he had a very loose grip on the pistol as he was feeling out the "new" pull and BOOM - it fired and flew out of his hand. the pistol had some serious internal damage.

why he didn't dry fire to check out the pull is the real question, but anyway....

i think "limp wristing" is used by manufacurers of marginal firearms and the apologist defenders of these firearms. if you're holding it and pull the trigger, the gun should fire and the shell should eject IF the pistol is functioning properly.

it's that simple.

now, go to the kel-tec forum and do a search for "limp wristing" and see how many threads pop up. seriously, do it, check it out. you'll be amazed.

do the same on any reputable pistol manufacturer's forums and the results are almost nil.

"limp wristing" seems very common with poorly made pistols. i wonder why that is?

mike

 

[TC-TX]

Like it or Not - It is all about Inertia

The fact of the matter is that Limp Wristing is a Real Condition when you have a light-weight autoloader (that depends upon the exhaust gases to eject a spent round casing) coupled with a moderate-to-large expolsion.

If the weapon is left unstable enough during the cycle (caused by a less-than steady shooting platform or or a less than adequate grip), energy for ejection is lost and the ejection cycle fails.

It is all about Inertia.
Why is this so hard to understand?

This is a lesson in Newtons 3rd Law Of Motion: "For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction."

Some Gum/Ammo combinations are more prone to limp wristing. The math looks like this:

Lightweight gun + low power round + strong recoil spring

So in addition to your grip, check the type of ammunition you are using. If ammunition is underpowered it will not reliably cycle the action of your autoloader.

 

[P95Carry]

TC-TX - succinctly stated - and I agree.

 

[Fredhead]

Exhaust gas dependent? Exactly which firearms are you talking about?

 

[BluesBear]

Exactly which firearms are you talking about?

All of them.

A firearm is in reality nothing more than a disposable piston internal combustion engine.

 

[Fredhead]

"Exhaust gasses" do not "eject the cartridge" in any
of the firearms which I own.

 

[BluesBear]

Does that mean don't own any gas operated firearms or that you only own fixed breech firearms?

The gasses created by burning gunpowder is what causes the bullet to move through the barrel and ultimately the gun to move in recoil.
All self loading firearms are either directly or indirectly operated by expanding exhaust gasses.

 

[TC-TX]

Like it or not...

Fredhead -

Autoloader pistols are fired from a closed breech. Their operation is based on the action of the gases produced when a cartridge is fired. These gases are used to cycle the slide of the pistol, whose recycling action will eject the spend cartridge case, cock the hammer and reload the next cartridge in the pistol's chamber for set up and firing of the next round.

 

[Fredhead]

I hope you gentlemen will pardon me for hijacking
this limpwristing thread. Also, it's possible we are
merely disputing semantics. But since Newton has
been quoted, and the term inertia used, may I submit
that it is the momentum of the projectile which causes
the rearward action of the slide. There are, of course,
some "gas operated actions" which actually vent some
of the gasses to assist this motion, but none of my
firearms use this technology.
Regarding "limpwristing", allow me to cast my vote with
those who think that a semi-auto handgun which won't
cycle reliably regardless of how it is held is 1. poorly
designed, or 2. has mismatched spring or cartidge weights.

 

[TC-TX]

Like it or not - Part III

Fredhead -

This is a free country and you are free to submit, do, think and say whatever you desire.

However, THIS IS NOT about semantics:

Your active refusal to grasp or acknowledge the basic physical properties and principals of a modern SemiAutomatic weapon is a choice you choose to make. THIS CHOICE BY YOU DOES NOT NEGATE THE REALITY OF THE MECHANICS AND FORCES AT WORK. The explaination of the forces at work and the recoil mechanics - as outlined in this thread - are dead-on accurate.

May I suggest you spend some time educating yourself on the science involved in autoloaders and modern-day weapons systems in general. I think you will find it quite enlightening.

 

[Jacobus Rex]

Limp wristing is real.

I used to never really "believe" in limp wristing. However, in the last year or so, I've had the opportunity to shoot with two different individuals that have limp wristing trouble. We got to shoot on several occasions.

We used the same guns, magazines, and ammo from the same boxes. Several hundred rounds of ammo were fired in total.

The guns involved where as follows:

1. Browning Hi-Power
2. Kel-Tec P11
3. Ruger P-95
4. Glock 26

The above guns are all extremely reliable and between them have had thousands of rounds fired by their owners. I have NEVER had a malfunction in the Ruger P95 after about 10 years of shooting it.

All of the guns listed above malfunctioned in classic limp wrist fashion with the two shooters. We alternated shooting with them between us and it was amazing. I could fire any of the above without malfunction. I could hand the handgun to either of the other two and in some cases it was not possible to fire more than 2 or 3 shots without a malfunction.

Shooter #1 just absolutely could not use Guns #1 or #2. With shooter #2, the action of the Ruger could be seen to VISIBLY move slower while firing! The brass would only fall about a foot from the gun! Gun #4 had similar results for shooter #2.

Myself and my shooting buddies have fired the guns listed above extensively and NEVER had reliability trouble with ANY of them.

I've worked in particular with shooter #2 to try to solve the problem. Her grip and technique are good.

Shooter #2 can fire the following guns all day long without malfunction:

1. 1911 in .45 ACP
2. Sig auto in .380
3. Colt .380 auto pistol

However, hand her the P95 and her cannot fire a magazine full without malfunction. This is a handgun that I have NEVER had a malfunction with in almost 10 years.

I have noted one thing. All of the guns involved with the exception of the Hi-Power have lightweight polymer frames. Shooter #1 is the only one that has trouble with the Hi-Power. Shooter #2 didn't get to fire the Hi-Power.

 

[Look4Orion]

I recently helped a female friend pick out a handgun. Having always liked glocks, I was tickled pink when she chose a glock 26. Then we went to the range. Pretty much every shot she fired, the shell hit her in the face. I think once out of 50 rounds, the cartridge jammed in the gun after firing, requiring the slide to be rack back to clear. I fired a few rounds through and had no problems whatsoever. When I watched closely while she was firing, I noticed at least once the cartridge popping up an inch over the gun, then being struck by the slide as the muzzle rose, propelling the cartridge straight back into her face.

As much as I like the 26, I think she's going to have consider trading it for something else if she's not able to get a better grip on it.