Terrible luck with scopes, opinions please!

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Whatever brand you decide on (Mine is a Vortex)...but I would suggest you NOT get a 50mm objective...

That defeats the purpose of the sleek lil Tikka T3 Lite...I wouldn't want over 44mm and then only with a 30mm tube...if your set on a 1" tube, don't go over 42mm...thats so you can use low rings.

The 44mm objective on a 30mm tube can be mounted in "super low" rings...

just my 2 cents...
 
Spend the money for the Leupold, never look back. I would definitely check out Ebay for a used one.

+1 on the don't get a 50mm objective lens. Not necessary. The glass on any Leupold VX III or 3 is outstanding and a 40mm objective is plenty. Do not get a side focus or parallax adjustable or adjustable objective. For hunting you want to aim and shoot and nobody has the leisure of fiddling with a side focus.

I love the B&C reticle and once you get a round dialed in for it you have the ability to reliably aim to the distance you are capable of shooting to.

The longer you have rifles the more you lean towards getting glass that is as good as your rifle.

Rifles come and go but the glass can stay with you and you will never be sorry for having great glass.
 
Get the Leupold VX-3 and don't look back. You won't be sorry. I've also had good luck with the higher end Nikon Monarch line, but understand if you wouldn't want to go there based on your pro-staff experience.
 
Wow! This post loaded up on me!

My ex is from the same place the Nikon came from, a replacement for her, NOT! After three scopes and the care I have taken the Leupold is the direction Im going.

It wasn't the same rifle but very good point on the lapping. I don't have a 1 inch lapping tool. Maybe a guy could find a place to rent one or something.

I did look into Redfields, both the Revolution and the Revenge. Although they are being built by Leupold (maybe not in the States) now I wasn't able to gather anything on the construction applications used in the manufacturing of either. Machined recessed areas for the lenses in the tubes would have sold me on either verses the o-rings in the Nikons. Im about sold on the Leupold now.

It's Alliant Power Pro MR 2000 or fairy dust as some have termed it. I like this powder a LOT! It meters out so well I can almost load like one would for hand gun loads but I nats arse the powder measurements. Here's a different way to look at it, my 165 grain bullets are doing about 2800 fps and my 175s are doing about 2730 if I remember correctly. I worked this out through Nikons ballistic calculator after seeing POI at different distances. Couldn't bring myself to buy a chrono I might use a couple times.

I couldn't keep a scope on my old Mosin 91/30 until I mounted up a cheap UTG that has held zero from day one. Cross hairs are to thick to see a 3/4 inch bullseye from 100 yards but it has done well.

I did look at the Weavers too and just didn't see as much bang for the buck imho. I personally have not heard the best from Bushnell's newer scopes although I have no personal experience with them either.

I'm beginning to feel the same way about the Leupold after months of research but with no personal experience.

Oops, my bad that is 2000 MR, did I mention I like this stuff a LOT!

I know Vortex as a fairly new company and I'm the type that just 2 years ago bought a picture tube television because of it's tried and true history. I have heard a lot of good about them though.

Great reply Craig!
I'm not one with money to spare by any means so I do the best with what I can. I own a 2001 KTM LC4 640 Enduro Motorcycle that's slightly modified as I want all that I can get out of one motorcycle and that is where I am going with this Tikka. You know the saying" beware of the hunter who owns only one rifle".
As for my hunting it can go from long desert shots for Mulleys and goats to tight places a guy might want a sawed off 30/30 in for Elk.
Those shorter range shots are my biggest IF in this whole equation being the suggested zero for this scope is 200 yards where I often can't see 200 yards in the wooded areas of the Sawtooths.
I'm sure Leupold has had the question of 100 yard zeroing with these scopes and the magnification can always be dialed down for the tight stuff. I'm likely to have two different magnifications that will be shot at a range and known well before the scope goes hunting just for this reason. I try not to move my magnification to hold POI as tight as possible but with aging eyes that were not gifted in the first place I'm usually zoomed in more than most. If there is a bug on the target at the range I'm going to try and whack it or make the most ethical kill I can on game, long blood trails SUCK!

Nope, one piece, less parts to the equation equals less failure points in my mind. I'll end up using a range finder anyway and I do like the idea of those knobs.

1/8 inch click I do wish was more common on more rifle scopes! That little tweener at 100 yards can make a difference out at a great distance. The BSAs have had bad luck as far as information coming my way.

The new Redfield, I had one and it went south after 20 rounds

Thanks! I thought they were just being listed differently there for a while!

That is what I have heard, I've been told to spend at least as much on the glass as the rifle and from experience it has held to be true.

More objective means more light entering the scope in my mind, yeah it may look a bit goofy but any game animal laughing at me will be shot on sight, well as long as I have a tag for it that is. Height off center of bore is the reason I'm looking at the 3L model which means low mount, not so narrow but at least lower and closer to the center of the bore like the old Tascos. This one has a relief cut out of the bottom of the scope.

Glass I don't buy used and try to never remove once mounted at all cost. No, no side focus or any of that for me, like you said aim and shot asap. Still reaching out doing the distance shooting thing, I'm confident at 400 yards with a good rest for Deer and maybe Antelope, from what I have read this scope may take me out further with the same confidence.

Yeah Nikon has taken enough of my money and time already. My Elk tag closes the 8th and this scope failure looks to have botched the chance of an Elk in the freezer this year. I'm pretty detoured at wasting rounds at the range trying to zero this scope when it didn't take adjustment and moving one scope from another rifle I have to the Tikka may be the last ditch effort if work allows time for a last minute Elk hunt.

It looks as though this scope was mounted with the Tikka's stock rings and mine's not stainless as well I have the Bell and Carlson stock but this is a similar look to what I'll end up with. 595073_01_tikka_t3_lite_w_leupold_4_5_14_640.jpg
 
I did look at the Weavers too and just didn't see as much bang for the buck imho. I personally have not heard the best from Bushnell's newer scopes although I have no personal experience with them either.

Weaver makes good glass, I have a V-16 Classic 4-16x 42mm UFCH 1/8 MOA dot on my .17 Rem. Very clear, good light gathering, acceptable mirage and parallax at full 16x magnification. Couldn't ask much more of a $350 scope.

Bushnell; Cheap Bushnells are just that. However, the elite series, and especially the 4200 & 6500, are very, very nice scopes.
 
pro staffs dont impress me but mainly its because in there price range there at the bottom of list of optical performance. But i have to admitt ive seen very few of them go bad and for reliabililty id say there near the top of under 150 dollar scopes. to have 3 go bad is about unherd of.
 
Not much recoil on a .17?

Well you just heard of it, it's just my brand of luck. Last time this happened it was a Barska and I didn't realize it had gone South before I shot at a nice buck, missed by about 3.5 feet from 300 yards. I still have it and plan to send it back for repairs than sell the replacement. The Nikon may make its way onto a 22mag or .17 in the future once it is replaced, maybe even a 22lr.

The Leupold is mine as the trigger has been pulled. I would have preffered 1/8 inch click but I'm sold on the thought this will be more scope than I need just as the rifle has proven to shoot better than I can to date.
Thank you for your replies and I'll post a little Tikka porn once she goes together if anyone would like? There may be some new Talleys in my future as well, I'll just have to wait and see once the scope hits the P.O. box.

If any of you may have a 1" scope lapping tool I'm willing to pay frieght both ways just to get this scope seated properly. I may add a couple drops of Plummers epoxy to the tube area just for some added security.
 
I've only lost scopes on rimfires. Probably because I've only put Leupold, Burris and original Redfields on centerfires. Had a cheap Tasco's reticle snap on the first shot, mounted on a 10/22.
 
One of my friends has one of the newer Redfields. He thought it was close in quality to my VX-3 until we put them side by side in real live hunting conditions.

I don't understand why some guys have a safe full of guns (most that they never shoot) but claim they have no money for a decent scope.

For years I hunted with a slug gun with a Bushnell 4x. Worked fine, but one day it dawned on me that I had on of my cheapest scopes mounted on the gun I used the most, and had $500 scopes on guns that I hadn't shot in years. Sold some the guns and got decent scopes on the guns I use.
 
Scopes have two parts to them - optics and the mechanical mounting and adjustment portion. An inexpensive scope cannot provide quality in both areas - as you're finding out.

Scopes are the make-or-break part of shooting if you have a good rifle. Buy the absolute best you can afford + a percentage above what you feel is "reasonable." All of my scopes are expensive - the cheapest are the Leupolds and the most expensive are the US Optics. Some of the scopes cost a good deal more than the rifles. Good optics cost money whether in scope, binoculars, or camera lenses. I have never regretted buying a good scope as the optics provide clarity under poor lighting conditions and the mechanical parts never break.
 
I'd suggest staying with Leupold. There are other good scopes, but when you look at all the features, plus their to hell and back reputation for toughness, Leupold offers the most for the money. The Zeiss Conquest is another contender, but on a hunting rifle I like the trimmer, lighter Leupolds.

I think the 50mm objectives offer far more negatives than postitives and would avoid them like the plague. A 3-9X40 gives you far more scope for the dollar and all the magnification you need with a 308. A 4-12X40 isn't bad, just more scope than needed and not worth the extra cost over a 3-9X

If money is an issue the VX-2's are around $300. The VX-3's, are a lot more expensive, but only slightly better. I'd be perfctly happy with a VX-2, and I own VX-3's and Zeiss.

If you don't mind a heavier scope, this is the best deal on a scope, period. $359 for a Zeiss Conquest is unheard of.

http://www.cameralandny.com/optics/zeiss.pl?page=521460
 
if you don't want cheap unreliable scopes don't buy them. Anything under about the $400 price point is looking for trouble. that's not saying that everything above that price point is going to be awesome but he Vari X III is time proven scope.

I've seen issues with the new Vari X II. To my way of thinking spend a bit more and get a decent product. Life is to short to have unreliable glass on a hunting rifle.
 
Anything under about the $400 price point is looking for trouble

That's just not true. There are quite few decent scopes under $400.

Generally speaking, under $100 scopes are crap.

$100-$200 can get you an acceptable scope for hunting at moderate ranges with lighter recoiling guns. With a few exceptions (like the OP) the Nikon Prostaff and Buckmaster are tops in this category

$200-$300 you start to see some lower powered optics that will take some recoil and still hold up. Leupold Rifleman series, Redfield Revenge & Revolution, Burris FF II, and so on.

$300-$400 usually gives you better durability, clearer images, better light gathering and maybe a tougher unit. I'd avoid scopes with greater than 16x magnification in this range, as you're dollars are being diverted into magnification instead of mechanical and glass quality.

$400-$600 is where the bulk of quality hunting scopes live. 3-9x, 3.5-10x, 4-12x, 4.5-14x, 4-16x, Nikon Monarchs, Busnell Elites, Leupold VXII & III, etc.

$600-$1000 is where you start paying for the durability of the $400-$600 scopes with better multicoating, higher magnification and parallax adjustment.

Over $1,000, you're paying a great deal for smaller refinements. For most hunters, scopes of this magnitude are simply unnecessary. They're really nice, but it's a case of diminishing returns.

When I'm asked, I tell folks that if they want a scope they can count on for years to come, they need a $400-$600 budget.
 
I've used a good many scopes through the years, most have been Leupold. I hunted with one today, and I'll use another tomorrow.

For the money and warranty, they are about the most decent deal out there. I wouldn't be afraid to buy used, but if you think you may get someone elses problem, then buy new.

For your rifle, the 4.5-14 would be a good choice, and, a 50mm would pass more light.

I remember when I had the first Leupold I owned. It was a Vari X 3 3.5-10x50. Got it on a rifle I had either bought or traded for. The first time I used it I was actually amazed at the clarity and light that came through at dusk. Man, I was in high cotton back then.

I used to have a fixed 6 power Leupold for years. It was my "test" scope. It was everything I had owned through the years to see how I liked it. I had it on .22s through a 340 Weatherby Magnum. Always worked like a charm and tracked consistently. I traded to a friend of mine who is still using today on one of his rifles.

That's about a 25 year old scope that still carries a lifetime warranty.
 
I have a VX-3 and a VX-R. Both are 4.5x14x40'. The scope on my deer rifle is VX-R (which I would HIGLY, HIGHLY recommend. It has the Firefly lighted reticule and turns itself off if the rifle isn't moved for five minutes, then comes back on when the rifle is moved again

IMO, you do not need any more than the 40mm. I can see quite well after sunset, past the point when you would shoot. The light gathering is astounding. The reticule has ten different brightness settings and works from dusk to mid-day sun if you choose. Works great in timber during the daytime.
 
When i want a scope that i KNOW is reliable, i buy an upper end Leupold and a Zeiss Conquest. I spent 25 years in Alaska, hunting and spending most of my time in the bush, i never killed a Leupold scope, of course i never bought a cheap model either.

I saw LOT's of other brands go south though, and that's why today, it's Leupold or a Conquest. The reason i started buying Conquest is, for MY eyes, they are a slightly better low light level scope and i've never had one of them go bad either.

I just won't try to go with a low budget scope on a rifle i have to depend on, that includes a Redfield that is nothing but a low end Leupold.

Buy a GOOD scope, then keep it for life, moving it from rifle to rifle, if you trade rifles a lot.

DM
 
how well are your bases mounted to your rings? Scopes handle recoil well when theymove with the rifle. If there is a slight amount of movement between the base and the rings.. the scope gets hammered as it slams back and forth (or are you using twist rings vs. weaver style or picatinny bases)?
 
Buy a GOOD scope, then keep it for life...
Some folks seem to have a hard time wrapping their head around that. If you do buy a quality optic, it IS a lifetime investment. There are not many things in this world you can buy today and use for another 50yrs or more. Compared to all the other things you can spend your money on, buying a good gun and topping it with a good scope is cheap when you consider their lifespan.
 
I have first hand experience with Bushnell Elite scopes. I have two of the same model, the 6-24 x 40. They list for $800 or so on the Bushnell site.

Optics Planet has them for just over $400.

Great glass, very clear, very well made. Japanese optics, rather than China or Philippines.

I bought one back in February for my benchrest rifle. I loved it, and so did everybody who looked through it. So, when I recently bought a varmint AR I bought another of the same scopes for it.

They work very well. I have plans to go out to 300 yards so the magnification is there for then, and they still work great at 100 yards.

Calibers are 6mmBR, and .223 in the AR up to 77 grain bullets. I shoot 80 grain bullets in the 6mm usually.
 
I have owned Weaver, Burris, Redfield, Nikon, Bushnell and Leupold. At the moment I have mostly Leupold including Vx II, VX III, and VX 3. The VX 3 is considerably better than anything else I own. I have 3x9 Prostaff on my Ruger 17HMR and it has been very good, but absorbs no recoil of course. My heaviest rifle is only a .243 and is a target model, so recoil is no problem. The Leupold VX III 4.5-14 has been perfect for it. If you have a good gunsmith in your area, you might want to get a consult. And don't walk under any ladders, your luck is running bad enough as it is.
 
It's mine!

I pulled the trigger and my PO Box awaits a Leupold zx-3l 4.5-14 x 50 with Boone and Crockett retical. I also bought the flip up lens caps, $109.00 for frickin caps! :what: I didn't do the custom dial option being I don't want to take the time to dial in distance after using a range finder. I'm a little nevous about going through the reloading again for another scope but I'll get my loads dialed for the scope.

I had seen them before and forgotten how really simple scope ring lapping tools are, I can make one from some 1" cold rolled no problem.:D

Crazy how many stories I have heard of 22s wrecking optics! My Marlin 883 SS 22 mag didn't even have much recoil!

I wasn't about to go Redfield and glad now I haven't!

At the cost of this scope I sure I wont regret it!

To late to avoid the 50mm objective now and I doubt I'll regret it. I have heard good of the Conquests.

I sure hope this is the last time my glass costs me a hunt! Nikon likely cost me a great deal of meat in the freezer for the winter.

Scope and caps cost just under $900.00 and I still have yet to see if new rings will be needed. I'll go Talley 1 peice again if they are, I like the way they mounted to the Tikka.

I can't hunt at night here and when I have looked at an illuminated retical (my UTG) it seems to take away from the light entering the scope, besides it would be something else that could break not to mention the batteries with their issues. Granted the UTG is a very cheap scope but it has detoured me from illuminated reticals.

I only want one rifle other than maybe a plinking rifle this was the reason for the .308. In my mind the .308 is the most inexpensive do it all cartridge I could get.

http://www.rapidreticle.com/Scope.aspx Click on the scope and then click on the reticals. And they will not break the bank.

http://www.rapidreticle.com/Main/Sco...x?ID=3&grpID=3
I like those from what I can see on the internet. I'd almost guess someone patented the retical and has maybe Leupold manufacturing them.

They are one peice Talleys as I mentioned, not much better mounting I know of. :D

I totally regretting ever buying lower end optics now! I should be hunting Elk today but here I am waiting for a scope.

Or maybe don't get too close to the edge of a cliff on an asphalt roller? Yeah, I almost took my last ride on one just a few weeks back. The roller didn't fair too well, I came out of it unscratched, very luckily from what I understand. Cold weather and hydrolics don't mix well!

Tikka porn coming soon, stay tuned! :D

Through all of this I have forgotten to post what has come to mind as a possible reason for the Prostaff in going South. I have a cheap rifle case, you know the kind, plastic on plastic with some egg crate foam inside. It's already been replaced an SKB.
 
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The Nikon has been removed and I have checked the scope mounts which seem to be fine, I locktighted the threads when I installed them and they are still tight. Contact area between scope and rings looked good as well. The waiting game for the new scope is killing me, yahoo may 86 me for signing in so often! LOL!
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Great looking rifle. You're correct about the Rapid Reticle, John Pride and Mickey Fowler of Bianchi Cup fame (8 titles between them) designed it and Zeiss purchased a license to use it. The difference being that P.F. scopes use a First Focal Plane for the reticle meaning each subtension will be spot-on regardless of magnification. Zeiss chose a Second Focal Plane design meaning once you've picked a cartridge load you must consult a chart which gives you a fixed magnification to use.

Leupold will still build you a custom dial through the custom shop and it is a worthwhile purchase as are the stackable filters. The 1913 rail allows for amazing flexibility with optics and a notebook can allow you to freely move a single scope and rings without loosing zero settings for each rifle. The other benefit of the rail is the lack of multiple witness marks or need to break LocTite. Just yesterday I pulled my RDS from an AR and put it on my Beretta Neos .22 just for kicks.
 
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