Terrorist Attacks in USA

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We get alot more terrorist plots by domestic militia groups and white supremist groups than any other in the US. We stopped in the past 10 years over 60 plots including plots to use cyanide to attack subways and shopping malls. An attack on Fort Hood to defeat the hidden Chinese and UN army that were secretly massing there for invasion according to the group, making sarin gas bombs to use on mass amounts of people to the bombings of the olympics and many clinics and so on.

Its rather sad but we had considerable amounts of plots and when someone has built cyanide based weapons and ready to use them before they get caught with various other bombs, such as the case of William Krar in Texas, that only the local paper covered it. Or there was the group in California a few years that wanted to blow up a 12 million gallon tank of propane with plastic explosives. The various groups who tried to assassinate members of the government that happened in the past 10 years, blowing up federal buildings and alsorts of other plots.

Its rather sad that we forget about these dangerous groups, many who members have been out of prison since 2001-2003 and dropped from surviliance to concentrate on just foreign islamic terrorists, when some of these plots would have killed more than 9/11 and most the arrests today have been sting operations where they convinced a group of losers to do what the FBI want them to do before arresting them.

Heck people don't even remember the dozens of anthrax attacks sent around the country anymore.
 
My remarks below deal only with Islamic terrorist attacks. This in no way minimizes the risk from other terrorist organizations.

It is not hard to see that Muslims assimilate better into American culture than they do in places like the UK and France. There are many reasons for this, but one of these is what I term the "Horatio Alger" factor. It is possible for anyone to succeed in America, heck, even a clueless peanut farmer can become President. :) This is not true in structured class societies such as the UK or monolithic cultural societies such as France. As a result, American Muslims are less likely to participate in terrorist activities, and more likely to cooperate with the authorities in providing intelligence. In other words, we are less prone to develop home grown Islamic terrorists, and more prone to uncover the activities of those who would harm us.

Just my .02, worth exactly what you paid for it.
 
We here in the US are special. Just ask us. I think the reason we've been spared a significant strike is because whatever is done has to exceed 911. It is an ego thingy. I expect us to absorb a couple of nukes or even worse a number of simultaneous Breslan style school hits. We'd go nutso if it happened.
 
I for one would like to cut funding for all this Homeland Security nonsense. If the threat was so real.....it surely would have happened by now with our borders hemmoraging so badly. We couldn't stop an attack if we tripled the budget, and added 2600 more pages to the Patriot Act.
 
The problem with being an empire is that a chunk of the colonies wants to follow you home. That is why France is being overrun with immigrants from North Africa--their colonies were Tunisia, Morocco, and, of course, Algeria. In the case of England many of the muslims are Pakistanis--remember the British empire in India.

This is the reason why it is so idiotic for America to emulate the imperialists powers as the neo-cons would have us do. Note that we are about to start taking in more Iraqi refugees.

There is nothing new in any of this. The Romans conquered the Germanic Barbarians and eventually the Barbarian immigrants overwhelmed Rome. Reminds me of that quote about those who "forget history..."



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Here's something else you people need to think about.

You can get everything to build those bombs, and I mean everything, at the local stop-and-rob down the street from me!!

Gas pumps in the parking lot, tape and nails in the little hardware isle, the LPG you can get right out front. You can even get the pay-as-you-go cell phones!! I think they might even sell the plastic gas cans!!

The muzzies don't even have to carry anything across the border, except themselves and a little cash!!

Steal a couple of cars and yer in business!! Car thefts are so common here that the police don't even respond!! They send an aid out to take a report!!

Just something to think about while you enjoy your 4th of July weekend. :evil:
 
At present, Muslims are having great success in undermining America through subversive means. Through reading sites such as Jihadwatch, you may begin to realize just how insidious the web of Islam is, right here in our own country. Why upset the applecart with terrorist acts when they are making such strides as a fifth column....?
 
Imagine what it would be like if instead of illegal immigrants flowing in from Mexico, we were getting the poor and desperate from Pakistan.

That's basically the position Britain (and a good deal of Europe) is in.
But it's not the "poor and desperate" who are doing the bombings in Britain. It's middle class kids from comfortable backgrounds.

They're not doing this because they're poor. They're doing it because they're bucketheaded morons who fly into an insane rage at the thought of women outside without a blanket over their heads.

They're simpletons who can't take responsibility for their own lives, and instead have to have Sharia law imposed over them as a substitute for personal accountability. Unfortunately, rather than just go some place where Sharia is in force, they want it over them AND us.
 
subliminal suggestions...hate USA...hate...

"Samtechlan:"

The thread of logic is thin when you imply that the USA has colonized any middle eastern country, and now we are reaping the results. Empire of Iraq?

We may have been imperialist during T. Roosevelt's time, etc., but the back lash of say, Purero Ricans have blessed this nation rather than plotted to destroy it.
 
The thread of logic is thin when you imply that the USA has colonized any middle eastern country, and now we are reaping the results. Empire of Iraq?

James,

The point is that intervention and empire building eventually results in large scale immigration back to the home country and I cited France, England as examples. BTW no "subliminal suggestions" of "hate America" or any such nonsense. You infer what I did not even remotely imply.

The neo-conservative plan to invade and "democratize" much of the middle east is certainly a modern form of imperialism even if without the formal trappings of the British empire of old. In fact one of the more honest of the neo cons, Max Boot, has even advocated a modern AMERICAN FOREIGN LEGION on the model of the FRENCH FOREIGN LEGION whereby we would offer citizenship to foreigners who agreed to fight for us. As everyone knows the French foreign legion was created to help control the French empire of the 19th century.

Here is the article from Max Boot:

http://www.armedforcesjournal.com/2007/03/2552879

Create a U.S. foreign legion
BY MAX BOOT AND MICHAEL O'HANLON
America is a land of immigrants. Their spirit of resolve, adventure, hard work and devotion to an idea bigger than themselves has made this country great. Whatever one thinks of the immigration debate today, particularly the problem of illegal immigrants, foreigners have played a central role in the building of America. Many have done so as soldiers, among them Baron von Steuben and the Marquis de Lafayette in the War of Independence.

Now is the time to consider a new chapter in the annals of American immigration. By inviting foreigners to join the U.S. armed forces in exchange for a promise of citizenship after a four-year tour of duty, we could continue to attract some of the world's most enterprising, selfless and talented individuals. We could provide a new path toward assimilation for undocumented immigrants who are already here but lack the prerequisite for enlistment: a green card. And we could solve the No. 1 problem facing the Army and Marine Corps: the fact that these services need to grow to meet current commitments yet cannot easily do so (absent a draft) given the current recruiting environment.

Not only would immigrants provide a valuable influx of highly motivated soldiers, they would also address one of America's key deficiencies in the battle against Islamist extremists: our lack of knowledge of the languages and mores in the lands where terrorists reside. Newly arrived Americans can help us avoid trampling on local sensitivities and thereby creating more enemies than we eliminate.

Skeptics might point out that in the just-concluded fiscal year, the military met most of its recruiting and retention goals. But this was done only by relaxing age and aptitude restrictions, allowing in more individuals with criminal records, and greatly increasing the number of recruiters and advertising dollars. Although we generally support what has been done to date, the logic of these measures cannot be pushed much further.

The Army chief of staff, Gen. Peter Schoomaker, has forecast that U.S. commitments in Iraq may remain at their current level until 2010. With most soldiers and Marines already on a third or even fourth deployment since Sept. 11, 2001, it's doubtful that the all-volunteer force can withstand such a commitment at its current size. Even if it could, it's unfair to ask so much of so few for so long.

Secretary of Defense Robert Gates appears to agree with this conclusion, and is pushing for an expansion in the Army of some 60,000 soldiers as a result. That raises not only the question of whether 60,000 is enough, however, but also the matter of where we are going to find 60,000 additional enslistees in a domestic recruiting environment that has been very difficult for years

Some might object to our proposal on moral grounds arguing that it is wrong to rely on "mercenaries" and to use such incentives to get prospective immigrants to fight. We disagree. For one thing, we already rely on tens of thousands of real mercenaries: the security contractors the U.S. government employs from Colombia to Iraq to make up for lack of troops. Immigrants who enrolled in our armed forces would be more valuable because they would be under military discipline and motivated by more than just a paycheck.

As for the risks they would run in Iraq or Afghanistan, these would be no greater than the risks run by previous generations of newcomers who built railroads and skyscrapers and toiled in factories and mines. No one would be forced to serve. No existing immigration quotas would be reduced. The military avenue to citizenship would be a new option, not an obligation.

Nativists need not fear that this would lead to a flood of foreigners. Say we decide to recruit 50,000 foreigners a year for the next three years. That sounds like a lot, but it represent less than 10 percent of the total number coming to the U.S. anyway — and less than 10 percent of our active-duty armed forces. This would not radically change the demographics of our society or our military, but it would make a big difference in the size of the rotation base for our ongoing missions.

Despite growing anti-Americanism, U.S. citizenship is still one of the world's most precious commodities, so there should be no shortage of volunteers. Since proficiency in English would presumably be important for those joining the armed forces, we might focus on South Asia, Anglophone Africa, and parts of Latin America, Europe and East Asia (the Philippines would be a natural recruiting ground) where English is common as a second language. These regions have more than 2 billion people, tens of millions of whom reach military age each year.

The problem would not be the size of the likely applicant pool so much as our ability to vet individuals for their abilities, their dependability and their commitment. Screening would have to be done to ensure that would-be terrorists did not gain access to the armed forces through this program. That might complicate the process of recruiting from certain countries, especially in the Middle East, but it would hardly put a huge dent in the likely applicant pool.

Unlike most issues in the immigration debate, the idea of offering citizenship to foreigners who first join the armed forces should be a winner for everyone. It is good for immigrants who wish to pursue U.S. citizenship, which they could not otherwise attain. It is good for a beleaguered American military that is simply too small for the tasks it has been handed. And it is good for the country, bringing more hardworking patriots to our shores. Before the all-volunteer force breaks, it is high time to consider the idea of such a latter-day foreign legion.

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Could you define that for those of us in the cheap seats?

Jefferson

Surely you are not serious?

Timmy McVay is a nice example. Maybe OKC sounds like ancient history given 9/11. Maybe you haven't given much thought to a terror organization called the KKK. Then there were the church burnings across much of the south in the 1990s. The Unabomber was a domestic terrorist. Those folks involved in the bombing of abortion clinics are engaged terrorism and are terrorists. Those labeled as "eco-terrorists" who burn SUV dealerships are yet another example. The derailment of Amtrak near Hyder, AZ was done in retribution against the ATF for Waco and Ruby Ridge was an apparent act of domestic terrorism.

To my knowledge, none of the folks known or thought to be involved in these acts of terrorism were foreign and none were Islamic.
 
Double Naught Spy said:
Timmy McVay is a nice example. Maybe OKC sounds like ancient history given 9/11. Maybe you haven't given much thought to a terror organization called the KKK. Then there were the church burnings across much of the south in the 1990s. The Unabomber was a domestic terrorist. Those folks involved in the bombing of abortion clinics are engaged terrorism and are terrorists. Those labeled as "eco-terrorists" who burn SUV dealerships are yet another example. The derailment of Amtrak near Hyder, AZ was done in retribution against the ATF for Waco and Ruby Ridge was an apparent act of domestic terrorism.

Yes, we have had plenty of domestic crazies do things ... though as far as I know the KKK is history in so far as actual effectiveness is concerned. I live in Alabama and haven't seen any cross-burnings or KKK rallies replete with sheets and pinheads.
Are we then saying there is no threat from Muslim extremeists -- or little? Or that domestic terrorists are more dangerous? The nuts burning down SUV dealerships and new housing developments haven't managed to murder 2,974 human beings in one day, as of yet. I consider them basically economic terrorists. Dangerous, yes, but not as bad as Al-Qaeda.
The Una bomber was a lone nut. He succeeded at murder but nowhere near the scale of Al-Qaeda -- or Timothy McViegh.

Certainly we have and have had domestic terrorists. I think Extremest Muslims are in a catagory by themselves since they're willing to commit suicide attacks (9/11) -- even Timothy McViegh wasn't a suicide bomber; the eco-terrorists aren't suicide bombers either. The other important factor is scale. Al Qaeda wants to hit us large-scale and take as many human beings to their death as possible.
That may be a partial explanation as to why they haven't hit us hard since 9-11, aside from having a number of their plans thwarted, maybe they are having a difficult time putting such a plot together.
But again...if we wait long enough ... maybe it'll happen.
 
I'm worried about a lot of things... but foreign terrorists are not one of them. I'm more concerned about our idiotic government than foreign terrorism. I'm not saying that there won't ever be another large terrorist attack, but such events are hardly common. They also require funding, planning, intelligence and discipline -- most of which seem to be rare among people willing to blow themselves up.

My impression is that the reports of thwarted terrorist attacks since 2001 have been either overblown, fabricated, or were the result of a group of disorganized angry people... a far cry from the government's attempt to portray dangerous, organized terrorist cells operating under orders from foreign Al-Queda leaders.
 
I see there being two distinct, contradicting possibilities, with one tangential possibility, as to why we've not been attacked* since 9/11:

1) The Islamic threat to our society is being overstated for political reasons.
1a) The threat isn't immediate due to possible direct diversion to the current Middle East conflict.
2) The Islamists are a bit more coy than we suspect and are planning long-term for coordinated attacks at some later date. The authorities may or may not be aware of them (all), and may or may not be watching them to try and make more connections (from what I've read, the FBI - at least - has been dissuaded from persueing such investigations).

* In truth, it doesn't take much effort to find examples of terrorist groups which have tried, planned, and otherwise given effort towards attacking us, or may be doing so. The fact is that they're small events, relatively, and just don't make the media radar for one reason or another, and therefore aren't seen or remembered by the public. There are quite a few indications that there are, at least, those out there attempting and planning to kill Americans, but the degree of which is unclear.

My personal thought is that we're on the precipice of another "big" attack, both us and Britain. Bigger than 9/11. These rogue amateur-hour events like the car bombs in London and Fort Dix are just that: amateurs who are independently motivated by Islamic dogma, distinctly on the outside of any formal Islamic terrorist organization.

A little while ago I made up a list of locales I thought the Islamics were likely to target, though not necessarily in order of precedence (I'm not sure what I think their target will be this time - symbolic, or tactical/strategic and intending to cripple us - though they could very well be both). Here it is:

(S)ymbolic and (T)actical
- (S & T if in scale or w/ something else) schools
- (S & T if in scale or w/ something else) public gathering areas/important civic areas
- (T) public transportation (bus, train, plane, subway)
- (T) communication (physical and digital)
- (T) utilities (sewer, water, electric - and their production)
- (T if in conjunction with other attacks) places of concentrated commerce
- (T) places of (non-Muslim) worship
- (T and possibly S) distribution networks (trucking facilities, sea ports)
- (T) energy infrastructure (power plants, refineries, fuel sources, fuel lines, local distribution)
- (S - emotional dominance, but with other attacks T to create chaos) random acts to incite fear
 
Are we then saying there is no threat from Muslim extremeists -- or little? Or that domestic terrorists are more dangerous?

Neither. My comment was to the original statement concerning terrorists hiding in mosques as being a threat to us. They are certainly NOT the only terroristic threats and there are domestic terrorists who pose real threats to us, only some folks in the cheap seats were unfamiliar with their being any domestic terrorists and wanted an explanation. It is just that simple.

As for the different scale of terrorism and willing to die for one's beliefs making some Islamic terrorists that much greater of a threat, your chances of dying in a traffic accident are still much greater than dying at the hands of a terrorist.

We face many threats.
 
Double Naught Spy said:
As for the different scale of terrorism and willing to die for one's beliefs making some Islamic terrorists that much greater of a threat, your chances of dying in a traffic accident are still much greater than dying at the hands of a terrorist.

This is true, any particular individual is very very unlikely to be a victim of the attack.
But maybe you're ignoring the consequences of the attack. We all had to deal with the aftermath of 9/11 in one way or another. 2974 human lives lost is 0.00009913% of the population of America. Horrible loss of lives, but a insignificant per centage. If I had that chance of being hit by lightning crossing a street, I'd just cross and have done with it.
But the attack also cost billions of dollars, and one way or another that will hurt all of us, and another such costly attack will hurt us more.
I won't even go into the psychological consequences --
But I will say one thing about consequences. The tinfoil hat crowd believes 9/11 was some sort of conspiracy led by Bush/Cheney/Hallibutrton/ Bilderbergers/whatever to grab control and take away our rights.
Whether that's true or not, garbage ... whatever, the aftermath of 9/11 was the Patriot Act, and a lot of people have spent a lot of time whining about that as a lose of our rights, or trying to explain it as an attempt to streamline intelligence gathering, depending upon their points of view.
IF - when we have another similar attack, what will be the consequences to our rights???
Especially with Queen Hitlary in charge????
 
If the bleeding heart liberal democrates get their way then our boarders, citizens, and security will most certainly suffer. GB and the rest of Europe have been plagued by Muslim activists since 800AD when they invaded and really never left. Most are very peaceful. But there are some that believe in the six pillars of islam and take the radical approach of holy war. The US does not have such a thriving culture of islamic fundamentalists but many would argue we have our own problems with gang violence and multi-cultural organized crime. I guess its all in perspective of what you want to call "terrorism".
 
Frankly, I'm surprised that IEDs aren't all over the US. If terrorist cells in the US are as active and dangerous as the news/government tells us, why haven't they made simple remote activated bombs and planted them at malls, schools, movie theaters, etc?

Makes you curious, eh?

Perhaps the jihadists simply lack the carte blanche to conduct operations in the States that exisited pre 9/11.

One thing is for sure: If they had their druthers, small arms fire, rocket-propelled grenades and roadside bombs would currently be interrupting our daily commutes.
 
I hope every terrorist is as dumb as these UK idots.

Unfortunately, I think now everybody knows that gasoline is NOT an explosive.
 
Personally, I think its because Osama / Al-Qaeda / "jihadists" prefer the West to do their recruitment for them in Iraq and Afganistan, rather than face the US on its own terms.

That said, I think they are making the same mistake that the Japanese did when deciding to attack prior to Pearl Harbour - they see stuff like "Black Hawk Down", the effect of 9/11 (especially on the media) and the current scale of US operations in Iraq and Afganistan, and assume the US is not capable of doing any more than it has been.
 
Well, al Qaida's on the run and has a hard time organizing anything. Iran et al make a lot of trouble for us abroad, as in Iraq, but they're not ready to walk into the lion's den yet. There's a lot of leaderless rage out there, but it has a hard time turning into anything effective without help from 3rd parties.
 
James T Thomas: Do you have any evidence that there are many terrorists enrolled in our colleges, or running the local convenience stores?

Redbecca: I dont know about shooting the turban off they guy as turbans are more of a Sikh thing and there are not many Sikh terror groups attacking the USA right now?

My personal feeling is that if we left the Middle East we would not see an increase in the amount of terror attacks. I would suspect that US would still have intelligence agents out there to monitor terror organizations. I think that the majority of anti-American sentiment they feel is simply because we are occupying their holyland. Not to mention we support Israel which is not necessarily a good thing. Israel is on land that was once their land but was forcibly taken from them. Why not leave them be and just buy their oil? It would be a lot better for us in the long run in my opinion.
 
Originally posted by Denfoote:
Here's something else you people need to think about.

You can get everything to build those bombs, and I mean everything, at the local stop-and-rob down the street from me!!

Gas pumps in the parking lot, tape and nails in the little hardware isle, the LPG you can get right out front. You can even get the pay-as-you-go cell phones!! I think they might even sell the plastic gas cans!!

The muzzies don't even have to carry anything across the border, except themselves and a little cash!!

Steal a couple of cars and yer in business!! Car thefts are so common here that the police don't even respond!! They send an aid out to take a report!!

Just something to think about while you enjoy your 4th of July weekend.


What is a muzzie?
 
I just really wonder about how intelligent these various terrorist groups are. If authorities have busted numerous ones over the years, it's probably because they were stupid.

The biggest issue is with communications. You read about jihadist websites being monitored by the media and authorities, where posters are posting in the clear their plans and threats. People routinely send unencrypted email, telephone calls, and so forth discussing plans. Groups are larger than they need to be.

If bad guys had a bit more common sense, computers they could keep under personal observation at all times and with proper security software (to prevent "keyloggers" and other secretive stuff from being installed), used encrypted communications (like PGP and encrypted voice communications), anonymizing networks like Tor accessed from different internet cafes, and small, independent groups, they could readily avoid detection from authorities. Even if they were detected and it was known they were communicating, the contents of their communication would remain unknown due to the encryption and security being used.

Fortunately, most of the bad guys don't think about this, and instead like "showing off" on websites. This makes them easy to catch.

It's the smart, quiet ones that scare me.
 
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