outerlimit
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They tried to pass this in North Dakota this past legislative session.
The screaming ultra-liberals from higher ed came down on it like a ton of bricks.
Texas Senate Allows Guns in College Classrooms
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They tried to pass this in North Dakota this past legislative session.
The screaming ultra-liberals from higher ed came down on it like a ton of bricks.
1987rx7guy
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Has anyone received word from reps today?
TehK1w1
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The bill did NOT pass the House, the Calenders Committee never scheduled it for a vote, so it died on Saturday. The Parking lot bill (SB730) is going to die as well, as it is on page 83 of a 90-page calendar that will probably not even be started due to the continuing antics of the Democrats in the Texas House.
joe817
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I've never been a political activist, but after coming here and reading and posting comments, (not only from Texas, but all over the U.S.) since I joined up, sure has put the spark of desire to become one. It's time I got off my southside and started putting in effort in something I think is our sacred right, as given to US by our Founding Fathers. Keep our RTBA.
When are the next elections for Texas House and Senate?
When are the next elections for Texas House and Senate?
TexasRifleman
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So there is a chance that because of this fillibuster that the Gov. will call a special session to finish some things.
Any chance these bills might make it to that session?
The talking heads on the news were saying it seemed likely a special session would be called.
This is all over arguing about a voter ID card. Dems are blocking passage and everything else is hung up behind it, it's not really an "anti gun" move in their minds.
Any chance these bills might make it to that session?
The talking heads on the news were saying it seemed likely a special session would be called.
This is all over arguing about a voter ID card. Dems are blocking passage and everything else is hung up behind it, it's not really an "anti gun" move in their minds.
joe817
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I've wondered the same rifleman. There's a LOT of important legislation that's dying because of the chubbing, not only 2nd Amendment related.
Seems like Perry would be totally justified in calling one.
Seems like Perry would be totally justified in calling one.
TexasRifleman
Moderator Emeritus
Of course the last time he called a special session all the Democrats left the state and Perry issued arrest warrants for them.
Ahhh Texas politics. I guess it's good they only do this crap every other year.
joe817
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I noticed in the House Calendar that one of the Amendment's that went to the House floor, was to name the horned toad official state toad of Texas. I'll bet they talked for days about THAT important piece of legislation.
Amazing, simply amazing.
Amazing, simply amazing.
Prince Yamato
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So, I guess what is needed is that we contact the governor about this? Ask him to call a special session to make sure that this passes. I'm pretty sure that if voted upon, it would pass.
joe817
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That's what I'm going to do P.Y.
longhorngunman
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Yep, our only chance I possibly left is to call the Governor's office and request he call a special session. Tell the phone operator that these bills made it through committee, are very important to Texans, and deserve a vote, also remind them you know Mr. Perry is coming up on a re-election.
TexasRifleman
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So the next time someone tells you it's not about Democrats and Republicans...... keep this one in mind. Especially the next Texas election cycle.
100% defeated by Democrat stonewalling, along with many other pieces of legislation.
runrabbitrun
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Hmmm, sounds like it's time to kick the dems to the curb in Texas.
Sorry for the loss here guys.
I'd love to see kids on campus be able to carry
legally to defend themselves from
nut jobs who would like to prey on unarmed people.
I'd add.. If this did pass, I'd hope the kids would NOT
be allowed to be chambered while on the property.
UNLESS >> a threat (clear and present danger) presented itself.
Sorry for the loss here guys.
I'd love to see kids on campus be able to carry
legally to defend themselves from
nut jobs who would like to prey on unarmed people.
I'd add.. If this did pass, I'd hope the kids would NOT
be allowed to be chambered while on the property.
UNLESS >> a threat (clear and present danger) presented itself.
TexasRifleman
Moderator Emeritus
Problem with that is it would be extremely tough to enforce a law like that, and quite dangerous to both LE and private citizens.
We don't ever want a law that would have LE officers inspecting unknown weapons. THAT is how people get shot accidentally.
DAVIDSDIVAD
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This really frustrates me.
Is there anyway to make sure Perry knows we are contacting him?
Is there anyway to make sure Perry knows we are contacting him?
carebear
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Rethink that.
This bill wouldn't allow "kids" to carry on campus, it would allow adults, 21 years old, with permits, who can already carry, chambered or not, everywhere else in Texas (movie theatres, businesses, shopping centers, restaurants, parks and crowded city streets) to do the exact same thing on campus.
What then makes a campus any different? If anything there are fewer "kids" below 18 (if that is even an issue) present on a college campus than in any other location in Texas.
The experience of lawful carry in general and carry on campus in particular (in the states and campuses elsewhere where it is legal) makes it quite clear there is no need to put any "special" rules in place, particularly one as disputed (and discredited by the vast majority of professional trainers both LEO and non-LEO) as chamber-empty carry.
Prince Yamato
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Yes, keep calling his office non-stop. Perry actually is pro-gun. Then man even suggested campus carry after Virginia Tech. I think he'll call the special session.
joe817
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I hope you're right P.Y. Not only for the 2nd Amendment issues, but also for all the other important legislation that those other people let die by the wayside
yep, hopefully he actually does it, this chubbing killed way too much.
So, do you usually keep your car in the garage without any gas in it, only fill it up when you go someplace, then drain the tank until you need to go someplace else?
Do you take the battery out of your phone except when you need to make a phone call or receive one?
As long as the safety is engaged and the firearm is properly handled, there shouldnt be any problems.
And as TexasRifleman said above, how would that law be enforceable? Not just the dangers in handing a firearm over to a stranger (cop though they may be) but how are the cops going to know who to check? the entire point of CONCEALED carry is that people dont know about it. if they do, either you get in trouble for open carrying, or you can get a warning if it was an accidental display (bending over or such)
And going by rough estimates, SMU has (out of ~12,000 students/faculty/staff) only about 50-100 people with CHLs. so a random stop-to-check wou probably not only blde illegal searches, but also like searching for, an albeit big, needle in the proverbial haystack.
So, do you usually keep your car in the garage without any gas in it, only fill it up when you go someplace, then drain the tank until you need to go someplace else?
Do you take the battery out of your phone except when you need to make a phone call or receive one?
As long as the safety is engaged and the firearm is properly handled, there shouldnt be any problems.
And as TexasRifleman said above, how would that law be enforceable? Not just the dangers in handing a firearm over to a stranger (cop though they may be) but how are the cops going to know who to check? the entire point of CONCEALED carry is that people dont know about it. if they do, either you get in trouble for open carrying, or you can get a warning if it was an accidental display (bending over or such)
And going by rough estimates, SMU has (out of ~12,000 students/faculty/staff) only about 50-100 people with CHLs. so a random stop-to-check wou probably not only blde illegal searches, but also like searching for, an albeit big, needle in the proverbial haystack.
TehK1w1
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As a current college student and Texas CHL holder, I'm insulted at the idea that the moment I step onto campus, I'm not considered mature/competent enough to carry with a round in the chamber like I do everywhere else. Add in the danger factor of messing with the gun every time I enter/leave campus, and the almost total unenforcibility of such a rule, and I think it becomes pretty clear why that's a bad idea.
Also, I suspect that you are aware that as a CHL holder must be 21 (or 18 if currently serving in the military), he is by definition a legal adult, capable of getting married, holding a job, joining the military, voting, etc, and has demonstrated a degree of maturity by undergoing training to assure the safety of himself and his family. How does such a person qualify as a "kid"?
runrabbitrun
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Tex good points in post 40.
carebear 'adults'. OK Your right.
I stand corrected.
Don't want to veer off topic so I'll just ask.
Why is it there are 'restricted areas' for LEO to NOT be chambered/loaded?
Same applies to military units still too, I believe.
Admittedly, I haven't research the SOP for
LE, military and corrections folks in years.
But I seem to recall areas where the rules are 'no rounds in the chamber'
(or unload your weapon) for LE and corrections, etc...
I believe it's when in certain areas, like in processing prisoner areas and places like that.
It seems (it's been a while) I've seen signs like 'no weapons beyond this point'.
And things such as clearing/unloading weapons before entering certain areas.
(Paraphrasing here, so forgive me)...
Also in the military (I was in in the late 70's early 80's)...
if I recall correctly, we were not allowed to run around weapons hot on base.
In fact, we were not even given bullets at all till we were at the range
and were only issued our weapons when ordered to perform certain functions.
Even the MPs at Ft. Stewart were not allowed to have a bullet in their 45's.
I think they had one bullet and they were ordered to have it in the top left or right pocket.
(Been a while so I'm not sure, or could be mistaken)...
Stupid yes, as those guys should of been able to carry at least with a loaded mag in the well.
If those rules still apply, can someone please tell me why?
TIA and sorry if I went too far off topic.
carebear 'adults'. OK Your right.
I stand corrected.
Don't want to veer off topic so I'll just ask.
Why is it there are 'restricted areas' for LEO to NOT be chambered/loaded?
Same applies to military units still too, I believe.
Admittedly, I haven't research the SOP for
LE, military and corrections folks in years.
But I seem to recall areas where the rules are 'no rounds in the chamber'
(or unload your weapon) for LE and corrections, etc...
I believe it's when in certain areas, like in processing prisoner areas and places like that.
It seems (it's been a while) I've seen signs like 'no weapons beyond this point'.
And things such as clearing/unloading weapons before entering certain areas.
(Paraphrasing here, so forgive me)...
Also in the military (I was in in the late 70's early 80's)...
if I recall correctly, we were not allowed to run around weapons hot on base.
In fact, we were not even given bullets at all till we were at the range
and were only issued our weapons when ordered to perform certain functions.
Even the MPs at Ft. Stewart were not allowed to have a bullet in their 45's.
I think they had one bullet and they were ordered to have it in the top left or right pocket.
(Been a while so I'm not sure, or could be mistaken)...
Stupid yes, as those guys should of been able to carry at least with a loaded mag in the well.
If those rules still apply, can someone please tell me why?
TIA and sorry if I went too far off topic.
TexasRifleman
Moderator Emeritus
Many of those places have the restriction in place for safety, as you mention, but not really safety from the gun accidentally going off necessarily.
You talk about prisoner handling areas. That's an area where someone could take the gun away and use it on the carrier. Having the gun unloaded reduces that risk. Remember, cops don't normally carry concealed. EVERY bad guy knows a cop has a gun on him somewhere.
With a concealed handgun carrier that's not really likely since no one knows the gun is there, and we're not around "bad guys" daily.
You talk about military areas being "cold". Again, open carrying of guns, lots of "touching" of the gun. When you are handling the guns a lot, picking them up and putting them down to eat, etc, I can absolutely see having a "cold" rule. Crazy not to. And it's not likely you'll need to defend yourself inside the cold areas on a military base. I suspect muggings and carjackings there are pretty rare
But we're talking about a guy who loads a handgun, puts it in a proper (hopefully) holster, and never touches it again the rest of the day. No one sees it, no one touches it. Just sitting there in that holster it presents absolutely no danger to anyone.
It's handling them that causes problems, and if you are carrying concealed and still handling the gun it's a very short time until you'll be arrested for exposing the gun and the problem will solve itself anyway.
I just can't see any reason to get to a place where it seems like a good idea to mandate that concealed carriers carry the gun unloaded. None of the shooting statistics back up the worry, the incidents don't seem to happen at all.
Hundreds of thousands of Americans carry concealed every day and this stuff just doesn't happen.
You talk about prisoner handling areas. That's an area where someone could take the gun away and use it on the carrier. Having the gun unloaded reduces that risk. Remember, cops don't normally carry concealed. EVERY bad guy knows a cop has a gun on him somewhere.
With a concealed handgun carrier that's not really likely since no one knows the gun is there, and we're not around "bad guys" daily.
You talk about military areas being "cold". Again, open carrying of guns, lots of "touching" of the gun. When you are handling the guns a lot, picking them up and putting them down to eat, etc, I can absolutely see having a "cold" rule. Crazy not to. And it's not likely you'll need to defend yourself inside the cold areas on a military base. I suspect muggings and carjackings there are pretty rare
But we're talking about a guy who loads a handgun, puts it in a proper (hopefully) holster, and never touches it again the rest of the day. No one sees it, no one touches it. Just sitting there in that holster it presents absolutely no danger to anyone.
It's handling them that causes problems, and if you are carrying concealed and still handling the gun it's a very short time until you'll be arrested for exposing the gun and the problem will solve itself anyway.
I just can't see any reason to get to a place where it seems like a good idea to mandate that concealed carriers carry the gun unloaded. None of the shooting statistics back up the worry, the incidents don't seem to happen at all.
Hundreds of thousands of Americans carry concealed every day and this stuff just doesn't happen.
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runrabbitrun
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Tex,
Excellent explanation and I do sincerely hope that the young
people (adults) in all states get the right to carry on campus.
Perhaps then we wont see the carnage like what happened a VA Tech.
Bad guys tend to steer clear of resistance and knowing students are possibly
carrying at collages should serve as a great
deterrent to future 'would be' mass killers.
For everyone, please understand where I'm coming from.
I'm not anti gun, I'm pro safety.
I understand what many of you are saying about no incidence,
or very few AD's with hot semis.
And your right guys and gals... tools don't generally work
(or go off) with-out the user hitting a switch or pulling the trigger.
I'm just concerned as more people get CC permits that the incidence
of AD's will be on the rise. (While carrying hot)...
This IMO, will give fuel to the antis in the future for legislation
attempting to overturn CC for the general population.
I'm a true believer in Murphy's Law.
Seen it too many times in life to dismiss it. (I'm 47)
So far we have only seen a few instances of people being shot
unintentionally with a round in the chamber. This is good news.
And admittedly, I'd say those instances
are more of when holstering/un-holstering
or fiddling with weapons and the trigger
finger ended up in the wrong place at the wrong time.
But knowing human nature, I think some people are not going to be
as 'aware' of where that barrel is pointing, while carrying hot.
Others perhaps will be more aware and will adjust themselves accordingly to
help avoid the possible mishaps all together. Which is a good thing.
So lets hope if and when these laws are passed
there will be at least some requirements or safeguards to greatly
decrease the possibly of students accidentally shooting each other
due to their own negligence.
I know I know, there's no data to back up this scenario,
so the jury is still out and will be for quite some time.
However, I suspect it will take only
a handful of AD incidents on collage campuses
to see such laws repealed in short order.
(If they ever get passed in the first place)...
Hopefully this will not happen, and all will be well, Murphy's Law aside.
Again I sincerely hope that the young
people (adults) in all states will get the right to carry on campus.
We'll just have to wait and see what happens
if and when this important legislation passes.
I've got my eye on you Texas (the state not the poster ok? lol)
You guys rock and I hope you can get er done.
Peace Out
Excellent explanation and I do sincerely hope that the young
people (adults) in all states get the right to carry on campus.
Perhaps then we wont see the carnage like what happened a VA Tech.
Bad guys tend to steer clear of resistance and knowing students are possibly
carrying at collages should serve as a great
deterrent to future 'would be' mass killers.
For everyone, please understand where I'm coming from.
I'm not anti gun, I'm pro safety.
I understand what many of you are saying about no incidence,
or very few AD's with hot semis.
And your right guys and gals... tools don't generally work
(or go off) with-out the user hitting a switch or pulling the trigger.
I'm just concerned as more people get CC permits that the incidence
of AD's will be on the rise. (While carrying hot)...
This IMO, will give fuel to the antis in the future for legislation
attempting to overturn CC for the general population.
I'm a true believer in Murphy's Law.
Seen it too many times in life to dismiss it. (I'm 47)
So far we have only seen a few instances of people being shot
unintentionally with a round in the chamber. This is good news.
And admittedly, I'd say those instances
are more of when holstering/un-holstering
or fiddling with weapons and the trigger
finger ended up in the wrong place at the wrong time.
But knowing human nature, I think some people are not going to be
as 'aware' of where that barrel is pointing, while carrying hot.
Others perhaps will be more aware and will adjust themselves accordingly to
help avoid the possible mishaps all together. Which is a good thing.
So lets hope if and when these laws are passed
there will be at least some requirements or safeguards to greatly
decrease the possibly of students accidentally shooting each other
due to their own negligence.
I know I know, there's no data to back up this scenario,
so the jury is still out and will be for quite some time.
However, I suspect it will take only
a handful of AD incidents on collage campuses
to see such laws repealed in short order.
(If they ever get passed in the first place)...
Hopefully this will not happen, and all will be well, Murphy's Law aside.
Again I sincerely hope that the young
people (adults) in all states will get the right to carry on campus.
We'll just have to wait and see what happens
if and when this important legislation passes.
I've got my eye on you Texas (the state not the poster ok? lol)
You guys rock and I hope you can get er done.
Peace Out
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