Texas Vets no longer have to pay for CHL
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davec
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Veterans are super special citizens that deserve things for free that regular citizens have to pay for.
Autolycus
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All I will say is that I disagree with the bill very much. I think it is a nice gesture and well intentioned but I disagree with it.
TamThompson
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I don't mind paying a little more for my CHL to thank a vet...although I do feel that, when it comes down to it, NO ONE should have to carry around a little piece of "mother-may-I" paper from the govt in order to exercise our 2nd A rights.
The Amigo
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Tecumseh
My friend you seem to disagree anything that does not favor U why. You were against a bill hr 218 allowing police retired or active for carrying concealed duty in any state which translates in to more armed people in the street. You are against vets getting a brake after having to put up with a military life that allows u the freedom to walk eat drink and do all the liberties you have had all your life and this 2 translates in more responsible citizens with guns in the street. I don't agree with your point of view. If it was up to my and i was presidents these GIs would be granted to keep their sidearms once retired but of course I'm sure you would disagree with that too. The saying misery likes company only flashes in my mind. So sad.
My friend you seem to disagree anything that does not favor U why. You were against a bill hr 218 allowing police retired or active for carrying concealed duty in any state which translates in to more armed people in the street. You are against vets getting a brake after having to put up with a military life that allows u the freedom to walk eat drink and do all the liberties you have had all your life and this 2 translates in more responsible citizens with guns in the street. I don't agree with your point of view. If it was up to my and i was presidents these GIs would be granted to keep their sidearms once retired but of course I'm sure you would disagree with that too. The saying misery likes company only flashes in my mind. So sad.
NOte to self: apply for Texas CHL..
Hmmm I wonder if they'll send it to me here in the Stan, or do I have to wait till I get back..
Things like this just re-affirm my beliefs that Texas is so much better than the PR-California (where I'm stuck for next however long my sentence is there..)
Hmmm I wonder if they'll send it to me here in the Stan, or do I have to wait till I get back..
Things like this just re-affirm my beliefs that Texas is so much better than the PR-California (where I'm stuck for next however long my sentence is there..)
Flyboy
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Amigo,
I'm not answering on Tecumseh's behalf, but I hold the same positions that he does, on both this bill, and the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act. My reason is simple (and clearly stated in my previous post): I don't believe in creating special classes of citizens. I thank those who serve--both in the military and law enforcement--for volunteering for a dangerous and poorly-paid position, but I don't believe in making them "super-citizens" with more rights than other people.
"...nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
I believe everybody ought to be able to carry, without restrictions or fees, but I absolutely do not believe that we ought to be giving some people special privileges just because they work(ed) for the government (or because they're old, or any other criterion).
I'm not answering on Tecumseh's behalf, but I hold the same positions that he does, on both this bill, and the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act. My reason is simple (and clearly stated in my previous post): I don't believe in creating special classes of citizens. I thank those who serve--both in the military and law enforcement--for volunteering for a dangerous and poorly-paid position, but I don't believe in making them "super-citizens" with more rights than other people.
"...nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
I believe everybody ought to be able to carry, without restrictions or fees, but I absolutely do not believe that we ought to be giving some people special privileges just because they work(ed) for the government (or because they're old, or any other criterion).
Autolycus
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Flyboy hit it on the head. Well giving them discounts is a nice gesture but it creates the misconception that they deserve something more because of their service. The government does reward them nicely for their service. THe GI Bill. They are not necessarilly poorly paid when you throw in their food expenses, their housing, and utilities are paid for by the government.
As for HR 218... well thats like saying IRS agents should not have to pay taxes because there job involves taxes. I see HR 218 the same as the AWB. It creates the idea that LE and MIL need this while the rest of us do not.
Why not just allow everyone to carry? Why not push for shall issue permits and national reciprocity instead?
Here in IL our politicians are legally allowed to carry while you are not. Is that ok? It puts more guns on the street...
As for HR 218... well thats like saying IRS agents should not have to pay taxes because there job involves taxes. I see HR 218 the same as the AWB. It creates the idea that LE and MIL need this while the rest of us do not.
Why not just allow everyone to carry? Why not push for shall issue permits and national reciprocity instead?
Here in IL our politicians are legally allowed to carry while you are not. Is that ok? It puts more guns on the street...
Tecumseh & Flyboy
Once again people are entitled to their opinions, it's just too bad that some opinions are those of ........(need I say more)
They are not making anyone special here. that is complete crap, all they are doing here is saying thank you for your service to your country.
Have either of you been in the military? Do you know what basic sacrifices they make? I am not referring to just fighting, I mean every day rights. Sure it was their choice, they volunteered.
Sure I am a vet, but I do not think that I am someone special
and BTW, we don't get the GI Bill for free, soldiers have to have money deducted from their paychecks before they are entitled to use their GI Bill
I mean get a grip and say thanks to our members of the military!
Once again people are entitled to their opinions, it's just too bad that some opinions are those of ........(need I say more)
They are not making anyone special here. that is complete crap, all they are doing here is saying thank you for your service to your country.
Have either of you been in the military? Do you know what basic sacrifices they make? I am not referring to just fighting, I mean every day rights. Sure it was their choice, they volunteered.
Sure I am a vet, but I do not think that I am someone special
and BTW, we don't get the GI Bill for free, soldiers have to have money deducted from their paychecks before they are entitled to use their GI Bill
I mean get a grip and say thanks to our members of the military!
Autolycus
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Well then lets thank our senators by allowing them to carry everywhere to. They also should not have to pay taxes.
Oh and when the next AWB passes how about only politicians are immune to capacity limits? Or IRS agents dont have to pay taxes? Lets just say thanks for the government service.
I am sorry but we should not be thanking anyone. Do vets already get nice things like VA care and the GI Bill? I have no problem with a private business giving discounts but when the state starts to do it I have a problem.
What if Florida said veterans dont need to pay taxes? Does anyone have a problem with that? Its to say thank you.
I wonder if the founding fathers would have been ok with rewarding former members of the governmetn with extra priveledges and rights?
How about giving discounts to the poor who cannot afford to pay the high cost of the fees for the CHL?
I have no problem with thanking veterans. I just dont think the government should do it. I am alright with the GI Bill and VA hospitals as they are put there for a reason. The hospital if the GI is hurt during their service. THe GI bill is there to give veterans a new set of job skills when they return to civilian life.
Oh and when the next AWB passes how about only politicians are immune to capacity limits? Or IRS agents dont have to pay taxes? Lets just say thanks for the government service.
I am sorry but we should not be thanking anyone. Do vets already get nice things like VA care and the GI Bill? I have no problem with a private business giving discounts but when the state starts to do it I have a problem.
What if Florida said veterans dont need to pay taxes? Does anyone have a problem with that? Its to say thank you.
I wonder if the founding fathers would have been ok with rewarding former members of the governmetn with extra priveledges and rights?
How about giving discounts to the poor who cannot afford to pay the high cost of the fees for the CHL?
I have no problem with thanking veterans. I just dont think the government should do it. I am alright with the GI Bill and VA hospitals as they are put there for a reason. The hospital if the GI is hurt during their service. THe GI bill is there to give veterans a new set of job skills when they return to civilian life.
Actually, there has been a fifty percent discount for the bootless and unhorsed since the law went into effect. You could get an indigent discount or a Senior citizens but not both. Also, various prosecutors can get licenses at a discount or free ( I don't remember which.) Judges are not bound by the minimum ten hours of training rule and are only required to take the safe storage and shooting portion of the course. There is even an alias license provision for undercover police though, regular police have to take the course and pay the money like everybody else.
Everybody still has to buy his own gun and assume the expenses of training so, the poor seldom get licenses.
Everybody still has to buy his own gun and assume the expenses of training so, the poor seldom get licenses.
JerryM
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As for me, I think vets should be a special class of citizens. It is their sacrifices and service that has kept us free.
They were sure special when a war was going on. Reminds me of the song Tommy by Kipling http://www.cs.rice.edu/~ssiyer/minstrels/poems/43.html
"Why, single men in barricks don't grow into plaster saints;
While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, fall be'ind",
But it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble "in the wind,"
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!"
But it's "Saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot;."
Where were you critics when the guns were shooting?
Best,
Jerry
They were sure special when a war was going on. Reminds me of the song Tommy by Kipling http://www.cs.rice.edu/~ssiyer/minstrels/poems/43.html
"Why, single men in barricks don't grow into plaster saints;
While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, fall be'ind",
But it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble "in the wind,"
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!"
But it's "Saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot;."
Where were you critics when the guns were shooting?
Best,
Jerry
Thumper
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I'm with Heinlein on this one.
Good for Texas. I wish they would've gotten this in before my last renewal.
Good for Texas. I wish they would've gotten this in before my last renewal.
No Quarter
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Considering that our armed forces pay the price for your freedom everyday, I am alright with giving them any and all benefits they can get.
Those that did not serve owe their freedom to those that did both past and present. Considering that, at any given time when on duty, you might give your life so that the civilians can live the American Dream, I think that a few little perks are well deserved.
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I don't NEED the thanks of anyone for what I have done. I have the pride and personal satisfaction that I did it. I still appreciate the nod though. Not a single vet served for the "attaboys", but they sure are welcome and appreciated when they come along...
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Those that did not serve owe their freedom to those that did both past and present. Considering that, at any given time when on duty, you might give your life so that the civilians can live the American Dream, I think that a few little perks are well deserved.
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I don't NEED the thanks of anyone for what I have done. I have the pride and personal satisfaction that I did it. I still appreciate the nod though. Not a single vet served for the "attaboys", but they sure are welcome and appreciated when they come along...
SEMPER FI!
NQ
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The Amigo
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Vets
Last time I checked the average soldier was underpaid compared to the local economy of the regular Joe. VA benefits? if you had any experience in a VA hospital you would know that usually you have to stand in line for hours to get substandard care. And by the way VA does not cover all medical expenses its not a magical system. And the Gi bill is not for free buddy it gets deducted from your paycheck every month until paid off so I think you are assuming without having all the facts in a row. I am not a special class of citizen or man I will die if i catch a bullet as easy as you will. But there is a difference and that is i chose to serve not for the $ but for the satisfaction at one point in my life. I am sick and tired of hearing well he is being treated different so he shall not have it. Do you hate the rich cause the have more $$ than u shall we hate all Arabs cause they got all the oil, nah lets hate the people from the Caribbean cause its warm there and cold where I'm at. We can be here all day. Yes I support that all men are created equal but stomping on someone else's sand castle because u think they have more sand than you, seems simply childish of character, ungrateful in nature and selfish. Its not the way I was brought up. Next time your dancing salsa with the girls be happy cause some Vet that u consider not worthy of appreciation might of lost his dancing legs so you could sip on your coffee... if he made it home at all. Long live all Vets more states shall jump in the band waggon.
Last time I checked the average soldier was underpaid compared to the local economy of the regular Joe. VA benefits? if you had any experience in a VA hospital you would know that usually you have to stand in line for hours to get substandard care. And by the way VA does not cover all medical expenses its not a magical system. And the Gi bill is not for free buddy it gets deducted from your paycheck every month until paid off so I think you are assuming without having all the facts in a row. I am not a special class of citizen or man I will die if i catch a bullet as easy as you will. But there is a difference and that is i chose to serve not for the $ but for the satisfaction at one point in my life. I am sick and tired of hearing well he is being treated different so he shall not have it. Do you hate the rich cause the have more $$ than u shall we hate all Arabs cause they got all the oil, nah lets hate the people from the Caribbean cause its warm there and cold where I'm at. We can be here all day. Yes I support that all men are created equal but stomping on someone else's sand castle because u think they have more sand than you, seems simply childish of character, ungrateful in nature and selfish. Its not the way I was brought up. Next time your dancing salsa with the girls be happy cause some Vet that u consider not worthy of appreciation might of lost his dancing legs so you could sip on your coffee... if he made it home at all. Long live all Vets more states shall jump in the band waggon.
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The Amigo
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And by the way
The founding fathers would of been ok. Its called awards and recognition. Its been in the military system for ever. Even during the first wars the government recompensed good serving officers with nicely ribboned gold coins and that evolved to what today is called medals and awards.
The founding fathers would of been ok. Its called awards and recognition. Its been in the military system for ever. Even during the first wars the government recompensed good serving officers with nicely ribboned gold coins and that evolved to what today is called medals and awards.
Texas already discounts the State fee 50% for those who can prove indigence. I do not have much of a problem with this as the cost to the State is $140, add the cost of the class{100-150} fingerprints{10-15} passport photos{10-15} and the cost of exercising your "Right" is upwards of $300.
At that price it seems like the State only wants certain people to have the "Right"
Autolycus
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Thats great that they want to help people with the cost if they cannot meet the financial burden.Texas already discounts the State fee 50% for those who can prove indigence. I do not have much of a problem with this as the cost to the State is $140, add the cost of the class{100-150} fingerprints{10-15} passport photos{10-15} and the cost of exercising your "Right" is upwards of $300.
At that price it seems like the State only wants certain people to have the "Right"
So does anyone else support the idea of giving police a class 3 gun because they are police? No tax and no worries about it? I mean they are serving right?
Does the statement "...all men are created equal..." still mean anything today?
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