The 1911...I just don't get it.
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dcarch
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HERETIC!
Just kidding!
We really can all get along... until someone asks "Glock vs. 1911." Again, just kidding. It's totally okay. Everyone has different preferences. For example, I love 1911s, but personally don't like BHPs very much. I prefer Ford trucks over Chevys. Does that make Fords better? Not at all, I simply like them better. We're all really in the same boat here anyway, because while we may disagree on models, we all love guns. Like a previous poster suggested... group hug!
Just kidding!
We really can all get along... until someone asks "Glock vs. 1911." Again, just kidding. It's totally okay. Everyone has different preferences. For example, I love 1911s, but personally don't like BHPs very much. I prefer Ford trucks over Chevys. Does that make Fords better? Not at all, I simply like them better. We're all really in the same boat here anyway, because while we may disagree on models, we all love guns. Like a previous poster suggested... group hug!
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Hmmm, well, as the thread starter, it was never my intention for this to be a "1911s are unreliable junk" thread. More of a "I really tried to like them but I don't but it's cool that yall do" thread.
WinThePennant
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The 1911 is okay if you like out-dated designs that are spruced up with modern techniques that manage to respirate some life into the old horse.
The rest of us like Glocks, Sigs, XDs, etc.
If you have the bug to get a steel semi-auto in .45, then get a Sig P220.
The rest of us like Glocks, Sigs, XDs, etc.
If you have the bug to get a steel semi-auto in .45, then get a Sig P220.
PT92
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You're an heathen
by not worshiping at the alter of one John Moses Browning! Seriously though, I don't get it as the 1911 is sacred to me in so many ways, first and foremost being that it is so comfortable to shoot that it feels as though it's just an extension of my arm if you will (only the Browning Hi Power is even remotely similar to me perhaps with the exception of the 92)--The 1911 design is a work of art and the effectiveness of this masterpiece still rings true today over 100 years later (SWAT Teams still use it as do some SPEC OPS etc.). Analogously speaking, can you imagine if the Springfield M1903 were still in use today by a SPEC OPS Team or even general military use, sniper etc..
That being said, it's a free country (for now...) so if it doesn't work for you that's just the way it is and I respect that
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PT92
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You need to qualify this with a simple 'IMO' as there is nothing empirical in any sense whatsoever with your statement.
Ex: 1) The revolver is an out-dated design.
Ex: 2) IMO the revolver is an out-dated design.
Revolver guys will take offense at #1 but accept #2 (even if in total disagreement).
I see way too many categorical statements based solely on opinion trying to be 'spun-off' as fundamentally sound researched based facts.
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You don't have to "get" what it is about a 1911. If you can't relate to the gun's design - that's fine. Find the gun you like, buy it, shoot it. I can relate - I don't "get" Glocks. There are at least four other manufacturers / designs I'd rather have than a Glock.
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1911s made today get a bad rap because certain manufacturers (*cough* Kimber *cough*) think they can slap everything together with unskilled assemblers with no hand fitting.
People have problems with 1911s because they weren't built properly. The design is fine, it's the execution.
Unfortunately, you either need to do your own hand fitting or pay someone else a lot of money to do it for you in order to get a problematic 1911 to work properly.
Glock was designed to be put together with no hand fitting by unskilled assemblers.
That's the reason why Glocks have a reputation for reliability while 1911s have a reputation for being unreliable.
People have problems with 1911s because they weren't built properly. The design is fine, it's the execution.
Unfortunately, you either need to do your own hand fitting or pay someone else a lot of money to do it for you in order to get a problematic 1911 to work properly.
Glock was designed to be put together with no hand fitting by unskilled assemblers.
That's the reason why Glocks have a reputation for reliability while 1911s have a reputation for being unreliable.
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IMO, stating "IMO" is redundant.
Most of what's written on a forum such as this is opinion.
A 1911, Glock, or revolver is not your wife or significant other, so there's no sense in getting upset when someone points out its flaws.
CmdrSlander
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The M1911 is a heavy and cantankerous piece of equipment.
Just like the steam locomotive.
And the Saturn V rocket.
In their time they were state of the art.
Though their times may have passed all remain awesome to behold.
And even better to operate...
Just like the steam locomotive.
And the Saturn V rocket.
In their time they were state of the art.
Though their times may have passed all remain awesome to behold.
And even better to operate...
TreeDoc
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Made me laugh, exactly, hit the nail squarely on the head,
The platforml itself has a lot of history on its back however from a technological point of view there is nothing special about it...I do not love it either...I tried to find reasons to buy one but I have't found one yet....same as you....
I feel the same "magic" that many feels for the 1911 for the Beretta 92 (many Italians gun enthusiast do).....but I'm Italian born and raised (naturalized American), that pistol was service piece in the military, I grew up in the 80's when the big Beretta was the star of many blockbuster action movies (Lethal Weapon anyone???)
However, to paraphrase Kachok, despite being in love with the Beretta 92 I recognize that there are much better (read lighter, smaller) choices out there for real life situations....I'm going to buy my third 92 soon but I would never take one with me as carry piece....this is the difference btween being a fan and being a zealot!!! LOL
I feel the same "magic" that many feels for the 1911 for the Beretta 92 (many Italians gun enthusiast do).....but I'm Italian born and raised (naturalized American), that pistol was service piece in the military, I grew up in the 80's when the big Beretta was the star of many blockbuster action movies (Lethal Weapon anyone???)
However, to paraphrase Kachok, despite being in love with the Beretta 92 I recognize that there are much better (read lighter, smaller) choices out there for real life situations....I'm going to buy my third 92 soon but I would never take one with me as carry piece....this is the difference btween being a fan and being a zealot!!! LOL
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About the ONLY 1911 that I could get myself excited about shooting would be an Ed Brown, a Les Baer, or a Wilson...just to see what all the fuss is about.
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I doubt you'd notice a difference shooting an Ed Brown, a Les Baer, or a Wilson compared to a Colt with a trigger job.
Owning expensive brands of 1911s has less to do with shooting and more to do with appreciating fine craftsmanship.
Who here is limited by a Glock, XD, or M&P?
Unless your name is Rob Leatham, Massad Ayoob, etc., I'd call BS if you said you can outshoot a service grade pistol.
Owning expensive brands of 1911s has less to do with shooting and more to do with appreciating fine craftsmanship.
Who here is limited by a Glock, XD, or M&P?
Unless your name is Rob Leatham, Massad Ayoob, etc., I'd call BS if you said you can outshoot a service grade pistol.
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Or, like the '67 Ford Mustang, or the '67 Ford GT40 - both classic cars, beauties to behold, but have been surpassed in many ways with today's technology or frills. But still ... a classic like the Mustang or GT40 will stir your blood ... or you'll just see an old car.
Those classic old cars will get your from point A to point B, without the techno-frills of today's cars, but in a vintage style that will still turn heads.
And that's how I see the 1911 - accurate, reliable, no frills, does what I need it to do, and still very much a head turner.
BTW, both of my grandfathers held a 1911 in the Great War. One of my uncles had a 1911 as his sidearm during WW2, another had his 1911 during Korea and afterwards. My father carried a 1911 during his service. So, for me, the 1911 has a venerated position. Like I said in a previous post, I didn't "get it" for quite a while. I get it now...
My Colt WW1 Carbonia Blue alongside my grandfather's decorations from WW1
The 1911...I just don't get it
It's OK.
Not everyone is meant to love the 1911. A handgun is a personal thing, no doubt. The one that fits me best is not likely to be your best fit. I'm old enough that the 1911 was still the service pistol when I was in the USMC and I shot it well and it's what I'm familiar with.
One of my brothers is a deputy sheriff in another state and he likes his Glock. Prior to that, he liked his Sig. I know Glocks have a great reputation for reliability and they're popular because they work well for so many. But they just don't fit my hand very well.
It's all good.
It's OK.
Not everyone is meant to love the 1911. A handgun is a personal thing, no doubt. The one that fits me best is not likely to be your best fit. I'm old enough that the 1911 was still the service pistol when I was in the USMC and I shot it well and it's what I'm familiar with.
One of my brothers is a deputy sheriff in another state and he likes his Glock. Prior to that, he liked his Sig. I know Glocks have a great reputation for reliability and they're popular because they work well for so many. But they just don't fit my hand very well.
It's all good.
easyg
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The 1911 has served my country well, but I just don't care much for them myself.
But you may find that you shoot one particular pistol far better than another. Would you shoot better groups with a single action 3 lb trigger that breaks like a glass rod or would you shoot better groups with a 12lb gritty double action pull that breaks like a boiled carrot? Sure, with enough practice you may be able to shoot both equally...but the nicer trigger will help a lot.
That's why they make different colors guys. If we all liked the same thing, what would we talk about?
Usually a person likes what they shoot well. I can't see a guy saying I just love this gun, I can't hit a damm thing with it, but it's my favorite and carry it everyware.
So assuming that is not true, we usually like what we soot well, Two different type of guns there. Notice no one said anything about revolvers, if you hang around this sport long enough, everything makes a comeback, the 1911 was mostlly brought back by Kimber, that is a consenus of people s thoughts who write columns for shooting mags. For a while very few diehards were still using them, the S&W 39 and 59 series along with BHP's and PPK's were all the rage along with revolvers, like Detective specials. Then enter the Black death, the Glocks appeared, suddenlly everyone had to have 15 -20 rounds and a spare mag. Good thing we didn't know that pre 90's. And a plethora of copies based on the well recieved Glock. No more 7 roud or 8 round especially 5 or 6 round guns. Everyone was talking about multiple attackers and tacticle reloads. Then Rails, I did a post and got hammed, saying "we don't need no stinking rails" about 4 years ago. Now most manufacturers make them both ways or dropped them completelly. It's kind of like the fasion business, lets face it, if they don't keep coming out with new stuff, no one will buy more stuff. So you don't have to "get it", as there is really nothing to get, just pick what you like and use it, just like you went from stick shift to auto. It's just a sign of the times, and some guys still like what they started out shooting, because they became very good with it, and why should they switch. thank god, most of you will never have to draw your gun against another human being. I said, you, for a reason. Unfortunatelly I have had to on more than 1 occasion, and all I cared about was if the darn thing was going to fire if I had to pull the trigger. The fashion part of guns is mostlly just that, the latest style vs the original design. The rest is just a way to get us all to spend more money.
Usually a person likes what they shoot well. I can't see a guy saying I just love this gun, I can't hit a damm thing with it, but it's my favorite and carry it everyware.
So assuming that is not true, we usually like what we soot well, Two different type of guns there. Notice no one said anything about revolvers, if you hang around this sport long enough, everything makes a comeback, the 1911 was mostlly brought back by Kimber, that is a consenus of people s thoughts who write columns for shooting mags. For a while very few diehards were still using them, the S&W 39 and 59 series along with BHP's and PPK's were all the rage along with revolvers, like Detective specials. Then enter the Black death, the Glocks appeared, suddenlly everyone had to have 15 -20 rounds and a spare mag. Good thing we didn't know that pre 90's. And a plethora of copies based on the well recieved Glock. No more 7 roud or 8 round especially 5 or 6 round guns. Everyone was talking about multiple attackers and tacticle reloads. Then Rails, I did a post and got hammed, saying "we don't need no stinking rails" about 4 years ago. Now most manufacturers make them both ways or dropped them completelly. It's kind of like the fasion business, lets face it, if they don't keep coming out with new stuff, no one will buy more stuff. So you don't have to "get it", as there is really nothing to get, just pick what you like and use it, just like you went from stick shift to auto. It's just a sign of the times, and some guys still like what they started out shooting, because they became very good with it, and why should they switch. thank god, most of you will never have to draw your gun against another human being. I said, you, for a reason. Unfortunatelly I have had to on more than 1 occasion, and all I cared about was if the darn thing was going to fire if I had to pull the trigger. The fashion part of guns is mostlly just that, the latest style vs the original design. The rest is just a way to get us all to spend more money.
isaidme
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I tried too! Ive been through several and just cant shoot them as well as other guns. It seems as though you have to spend $1200 or more to get one that a $500 anything else gets you. I recently bought an M&P 45 and replaced the striker block and sear with Apex parts and for right around $700 got a gun that was amazing.
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