JohnBT
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"The 1911 is okay if you like out-dated designs "
Ah, the voice of ignorance.
Ah, the voice of ignorance.
It seems as though you have to spend $1200 or more to get one that a $500 anything else gets you.
I understand your taste. Think about it, one could easily amass an ENTIRE firearms collection just by collecting the many classic firearms designed by the late, great John Moses Browning. I will never cease to marvel at the man's utter brilliance!I've been shooting 1911s since the 70s. There have been times I was heavy into that gun and .45. Everytime I've sold one - seems I always replace it.
My current 1911 is one of the new Remington R1s, awesome gun. My son wants it so I guess it too will have a new home in the near future.
Recently, I have got into Browning HPs. At least all my holsters fit
There's nothing that you need to do with a gun that you couldn't do a good job of.I understand your taste. Think about it, one could easily amass an ENTIRE firearms collection just by collecting the many classic firearms designed by the late, great John Moses Browning. I will never cease to marvel at the man's utter brilliance!
You are correct Sir!There's nothing that you need to do with a gun that you couldn't do a good job of.
The 1911 is okay if you like out-dated designs that are spruced up with modern techniques that manage to respirate some life into the old horse.
The rest of us like Glocks, Sigs, XDs, etc.
If you have the bug to get a steel semi-auto in .45, then get a Sig P220.
"The 1911 is okay if you like out-dated designs "
Ah, the voice of ignorance.
The 1911 is my favorite design, but the Glock is a close second. I would like to commend you for articulating your thoughts without being a condescending jerk to those who may not share your likes and dislikes. That seems to be a lost art these days.
And, what exactly did I say that was wrong?The 1911 is my favorite design, but the Glock is a close second. I would like to commend you for articulating your thoughts without being a condescending jerk to those who may not share your likes and dislikes. That seems to be a lost art these days.
Like this guy:
If you have to ask, you'll never know.And, what exactly did I say that was wrong?
Even John M. Browning understood it wasn't the be all, end all of pistol design. He got about half of the Hi-Power design done before he died, for ex.
And, what exactly did I say that was wrong?
Modern improvements include better sights, beavertail grip safety, and extended feed ramps (many, many others!).
The 1911 is okay if you like out-dated designs that are spruced up with modern techniques that manage to respirate some life into the old horse. The rest of us like Glocks, Sigs, XDs, etc.
If you have the bug to get a steel semi-auto in .45, then get a Sig P220.
Interesting read, but based on my experience with my 659 S&W over the last 24 years and tens of thousands of rounds (bought used as a police trade-in, so thousands more before I bought it), and a friend who was one of the test officers at the Army trials at Ft. Knox, Beretta was not the best option. His and my greatest complaint is the awkward safety/decoker operation. FWIW, I also carried the M9 over my 23 years (32 months in combat zones) in the Army, and had dozens of FTFs with at least four different SNs, mostly due to the horrible magazines that we were issued. I'm probably biased, but I carry a 1911 (EMP to be exact) unless I need to switch to a pocket gun.See attached. Very interesting read.
The "45 control" average # of rounds between malfunctions was 165 in the 1981 test and 162 in the 1984 test. In the 1984 test, the worst gun averaged 93 shots between jams, the best weapon was 467. Compare this to the Beretta which worst gun was 875 rounds between jams, the best weapon exceeded 3,500 rounds between jams. Of course, even the military tests are only so valid with the small sample size they tested. I don't think the 1911 design is unreliable, it is maybe just not AS reliable as the Beretta or Glocks.
Also interesting to note was that the 1911 aced the mud test while all the others had some jams.
Not sure if these were brand-spanking new 1911's that they were testing.
Interesting read, but based on my experience with my 659 S&W over the last 24 years and tens of thousands of rounds (bought used as a police trade-in, so thousands more before I bought it), and a friend who was one of the test officers at the Army trials at Ft. Knox, Beretta was not the best option. His and my greatest complaint is the awkward safety/decoker operation. FWIW, I also carried the M9 over my 23 years (32 months in combat zones) in the Army, and had dozens of FTFs with at least four different SNs, mostly due to the horrible magazines that we were issued. I'm probably biased, but I carry a 1911 (EMP to be exact) unless I need to switch to a pocket gun.
..the pistols being made today are not 1911's.