The 1911 SUCKS and the .45 ACP is USELESS

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If it will kill a person, it will kill a deer. Deer just aren't all that hard to kill. If used properly (range and accuracy), .45 ACP will do fine on a deer.... so will .357 Mag... or 10mm.... Modern 9mm will do the trick.
 
Also one more thing has become abundently clear after this purchase. I need to learn to reload!
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for sure! learning to reload is by far the most benificial shooting related thing i have done. since then i have been able to customize my loads and produce cheaper ammo and my skill level has increased dramaticly. it really isnt all that hard to learn and dosent have to be very expensive. the best way to go about it; buy a manual or two adn read them a couple times. after this you will have a good idea what you need as well as the steps involved.
 
BBQLS1 said:
If it will kill a person, it will kill a deer. Deer just aren't all that hard to kill. If used properly (range and accuracy), .45 ACP will do fine on a deer.... so will .357 Mag... or 10mm.... Modern 9mm will do the trick.
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They aren't hard to kill but I do have to follow local game laws and well the 9mm and 45acp just won't cut the mustard. I've already been there done that with a revolver and a T/C soooo.... A 10mm auto loader is a void I wanted to fill in my local hunting experience :cool: Now I'm just trying to gain as much info on hunting deer and possibly feral swine with a G20 as I can so that when I hit the woods I don't make a rookie mistake and end up wounding and losing a game animal due to something stupid like using a 135gr pill when I should of been tossing 200gr lead.;) Or attempting a shot at 50 yards with a round that doesn't retain enough energy at that distance to be effective enough to get the job done ethicly even though I had acceptable shot placement. Long story short I'm well aware there may be better ways to kill deer but I've chosen this direction for no other reason than the challenge of it and would like to avoid certain pitfalls if I can because I'm a total newbie to this particualr type/style of hunting.
 
JEB said:
for sure! learning to reload is by far the most benificial shooting related thing i have done. since then i have been able to customize my loads and produce cheaper ammo and my skill level has increased dramaticly. it really isnt all that hard to learn and dosent have to be very expensive. the best way to go about it; buy a manual or two adn read them a couple times. after this you will have a good idea what you need as well as the steps involved.
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I've got a couple of reloading manuals I've been reading over again and again for the past couple of years so I think I should do ok with 1 or 2 calibers and keeping it simple for now. I just haven't been able to justify taking the plunge into the initial investment because well what I shoot most often (9mm .38spl 5.56 .22lr .45acp .270) is readily available to me and at a fair price. But getting this 10mm may be just the excuse I was needing to justify the expense :)
 
Informal range report.... It's offical I love the G20 and the 10mm round. I've been shooting a bit just to get familiar with the new gun and round. The other day I decided I felt proficent enough to stretch it out a little. Keep in mind I'm a good 'ol boy. So I nailed 3 Copenhagen cans to a fence post vertically and walked off 40 Large steps (about 45 yards +/- a couple) From a kneeling postion supported on mono-pod shooting stick I took 3 shots and had 3 hits. I was using Federal Hydra Shok 180gr. I know this will not be my hunting round (unless someone can convince me it's good enough) and will need to sight in and practice with whatever I choose to hunt with. It does though give me the confidence to take a 50 yard shot if presented with one. At 25 yards I've got to the point of consistantly drilling a single 2 inch ragged hole. Anyways all in all I'm pleased with how it's going and would like to thank everyone for the advice thus far.
 
Personally, I stay away from Double Tap. Their advertised velocities seem great but in a decent amount of instances, other board members have chronographed the velocities at 100 and sometimes 200fps slower than advertised velocities in full size 10mm firearms. That is absurd, especially considering you're paying $45/50 rounds.

There's a high road member by the name, intercooler. He has a large spread sheet of factory 10mm loads he's chronographed. His research has turned me on to Underwood ammo.They're velocities are right there next to Double Taps but they actually deliver and ~$30/50. Shoot Double Tap ammo next to Underwoods w/out a chrono and you can feel the difference. Underwood Ammo is the real deal.

As far as what type of bullet, stick with 180 and 200gr hollow points for hunting. Almost all .40 caliber bullets are designed to operate at 40S&W velocities. I've even seen gold dots suffer from jacket/core seperation from being shot out of a 10mm because of the velocity.

Welcome to the world of the 10mm.
 
IdahoLT1 said:
Personally, I stay away from Double Tap. Their advertised velocities seem great but in a decent amount of instances, other board members have chronographed the velocities at 100 and sometimes 200fps slower than advertised velocities in full size 10mm firearms. That is absurd, especially considering you're paying $45/50 rounds.

There's a high road member by the name, intercooler. He has a large spread sheet of factory 10mm loads he's chronographed. His research has turned me on to Underwood ammo.They're velocities are right there next to Double Taps but they actually deliver and ~$30/50. Shoot Double Tap ammo next to Underwoods w/out a chrono and you can feel the difference. Underwood Ammo is the real deal.

As far as what type of bullet, stick with 180 and 200gr hollow points for hunting. Almost all .40 caliber bullets are designed to operate at 40S&W velocities. I've even seen gold dots suffer from jacket/core seperation from being shot out of a 10mm because of the velocity.

Welcome to the world of the 10mm.
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Thanks for the heads up on the Underwood ammo. 1400fps and 800 ft lbs with a proven bullet is about what I was looking for. Seems that ammo will work fine till I figure out this whole reloading stuff. I was avoiding Double Tap so far because of extreme views and opinions on the stuff. Buffalo Bore was a serious contender but was not in love the price. The Federals I've been shooting are well old bullets. They had been sitting on the self at my local hardware store for a many a years but have been very accurate for me. I haven't chrono'd them so I'm unsure of velocity but in my backwoods testing from 25 yards they did manage to totally penatrate 4 water filled milk jugs totally blowing them to the next zip code with the 180 hydra shok coming to rest in the fifth totally expanded. Next up.. phonebooks :) I'm really liking the 10mm and the G20, In fact after familizing myself with it has started to become my EDC as of late. It's hard to argue with it's versitilty as a SD gun and a Med game hunting gun. Why didn't I do this sooner!
 
Certaindeaf said:
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So that means it might actually go "bang" once in a while? lolz
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I have never had a FTF or FTE or FTRTB in any RIA I've ever owned (several models in several sizes) not to mention accuracy/POA/POI has been spot on. They have earned my business to say the least. I can't make that same statement for any of the $1k + 1911s I've owned (read sold) over the years. I did consider the 1911 for my 10mm adventure but when it gets down to it, right now today, Glock IMO has the best gun with the most versitilty for the money plain and simple.
 
It is my belief that Hand gun hunters should hunt like bow hunters.

Hunt like a bow hunter and a 45ACP will do the job nicely.

If you want handgun hunt like a rifle hunter then get a hand held rifle.

At 20 yards a good quality 45 acp hollow point put in the correct spot will cleanly a deer.

Better the setup, the better the out come.
 
My S&W 610 launches 200gr XTPs at about 1350 fps with my "warm load" of AA9. I've shot a few prairie dogs offhand at around 50 yards with it & I can assure you that it was "enough gun". :D
 
lefteyedom said:
It is my belief that Hand gun hunters should hunt like bow hunters.

Hunt like a bow hunter and a 45ACP will do the job nicely.

If you want handgun hunt like a rifle hunter then get a hand held rifle.

At 20 yards a good quality 45 acp hollow point put in the correct spot will cleanly a deer.

Better the setup, the better the out come.
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There is no doubt in my mind a .45acp will drop a deer at 20yds. Heck I dropped a doe with 180gr .40S&W that walked directly below my treestand. I'm not trying to stretch the 10mm out to rifle ranges either. A many of deer have fallen at 50yds with a bow, the 10mm should also be capable of this with proper shot placement. I however wouldn't trust the .45acp at that distance to retain enough energy to cleanly and ethicly kill a deer each and every time. The .357 mag has proven time and again it is more than capable of doing this and from what I've read the 10mm is somewhere between the .357 and .41 in terms of velocity and energy and that is why I chose the 10mm. As far as the G20 goes I chose it over the other TEN's because it had a larger aftermarket following and the initial cost was considerably less than my other options in the 10mm. If I do want to strech it out to rifle ranges I've found a slick carbine setup for the G20 with a 16" barrel that might get me into the 100-125 yrd range like the lever gun did for the .357mag.
 
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Its amazing how fast things can change:eek: Well I picked up reloading due to just not being happy with 10mm off the shelf offerings. That and I bought a 6.8spc (try finding ammo for that). No contest on handloads VS factory, Ive worked a 200gr XTP up to 1400ish fps with Blue Dot and Power Pistol and 180gr XTP to 1450ish:what: for less than half the cost of Underwood:D .... Ive ditched the 1911 platform on every level so EDC duty now falls to a snazzy G23. I've become a Glock fanboy. Two guns (G20/23) a half dozen or so barrels and BAM just as many different calibers and the only switch on the mag is for the 9mm. Still haven't had a chance at a deer/hog with the 10mm though. I've been keeping practice shots to the 40yds or less line. Accuracy is still in the 2-3" area so I guess I'm good to go if I can just convince a deer it's beneficial to walk just a little closer. The comment about the 1911 sucking and .45acp being useless was just a joke to start with but 6 months down the road I can safely say, compared to my new plastic fantastic friends and their HOT bullets, the 1911 & 45acp, well, just suck:evil:
 
If I may offer a suggestion since you like to hunt... consider getting a crossbow if they are legal in your state and you can hunt the entire archery season when the weather in nicer or take it out during gun season with your 10mm. I think you may really like it and you don't have to practice as much as regular archery.

On the 10mm, I think that topic is covered. Good bullet at 50 yds and it should be fine. Folks use 357 mags and do okay even though I generally recommend 41 mag or larger (revolver) for deer hunting. Optics... your call. If you can hit a 6" pie plate at 50 yds 4 our of 5 times, I think you are good to go. Know your limits. Yeah, I know in practice you might stretch that out a bit, but practice at the kinds of ranges you might expect to shoot at and go from there. Handgun hunting is fantastic and it brings back the old feelings about scoring like you were 18 again.

I do think the 45 ACP is pretty useless for practical deer hunting. Backup... sure. But then you have a rifle anyway. Just more weight to lug around.

Added: I see this thread started in July. How did it go? I also like the G23 for EDC. I like Glocks too. Don't have a 10mm.
 
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22-rimfire said:
Added: I see this thread started in July. How did it go? I also like the G23 for EDC. I like Glocks too. Don't have a 10mm.
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See My first post today. Ive gotten plenty of practice but no meat in the freezer:uhoh: Ive been looking at crossbows since they made them legal here a couple of years ago don't really have a good reason for not buying one yet. Probably gonna be on next years wish list:D
 
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