dirtengineer
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How about an sks? The recoil isn't too bad and they can still be purchased fairly cheap.
The .22lr "Girlfriend Carbine"
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She already owns the 10/22
Shadow 7D
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THEN BUY GOOD MAGS AND TEACH HER HOW TO USE THE IRON SIGHTS
really, a .22 isn't something you have to scope, the reach is limited
secondly, scopes don't like getting banged around, which happens in cars a lot, so irons would be preferred.
really, a .22 isn't something you have to scope, the reach is limited
secondly, scopes don't like getting banged around, which happens in cars a lot, so irons would be preferred.
fatcat4620
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Your plan sounds great except for the scope. Red dot like a TRS25 might work better. You could bolt a section of rail to the stock to use for a light mount cheap.
Ramone
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I'm definitely onboard with the idea of a Carbine, and while the 10/22 will do, I'd suggest thinking about stepping it up to a 9mm carbine, for a little more effectiveness.
Husker_Fan
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I've never used one, but there are replacement barrel bands that have rails and/or sling mounts on them. Here's one: http://www.nisupplyonline.com/product/Tactical 10/22 Barrel Band
There are other types also.
There are other types also.
Blackhawk30
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Go for the S&W 15-22.Great understudy for an AR15 rifle.
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22-rimfire
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I think you have a good plan with the 10/22. It is a good little rifle for your purposes. I think I would make absolutely sure the non-Ruger mags are reliable. The steel lips ones work best for me. But I don't shoot my 10/22 much anymore. When I do, I tend to use the factory mags and just carry a couple with me so I don't have that big "thing" sticking out of the bottom of my rifle. Plinking... yeah, I use them. I find myself always wondering when it is going to be empty since I am mostly used to mags of ten or less with 22 rifles.
Once you decide on how to attach the light, then you can move to the other accessories.
I find the little mag lights mentioned above are really good little flashlights overall. I have a number of them. They do warm up with extended use.
Have fun with it!
Once you decide on how to attach the light, then you can move to the other accessories.
I find the little mag lights mentioned above are really good little flashlights overall. I have a number of them. They do warm up with extended use.
Have fun with it!
kBob
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If the OP is still reading......
As EMTs I imagine both you and your Lady have seen what a .22 LR does on flesh and are aware both of its limitations and its potentual so I am not going to argue.
I think the 10-22 she has would be good because it is what she already has and shoots.
I would for a self defense .22 choose a high speed solid 40 grain bullet over any hollow point or hypervelocity light weight. Deep penitration will be more important than rapid expansion in causing both bleeding from major veins and arteries and in reaching important nerve trunks and preferating important organs.
I would choose a cartridge that was as close to absolutley reliable in your magazines as possible. Sureness of function is certainly more important than any possible bullet effect difference might be had by choosing a less reliable load for your rifle and magazines.
If you really want a light on the weapon consider this, in your scenerio a lot of other folks might be running scared. If your girlfrind lights up Jill with the 15 shot beretta 9 silly meter WHILE POINTING A RIFLE AT HER what is Jill's response likely to be? Train to not use the light to Identify possible targets but to illuminate only known targets. Carry a second light if you must light things up just to check them out.
If you go with the standard 10-22 birch wood stock ( don't know what you have) then you likely have the slippery plastic butt plate. You may want to do something to make it less slippery. I cut a section of bicycle inner tube to cover the middle half of a plastic butt plated gun I used for an Appleseed event with good results.
She needs to learn to shoot that rifle "like a shot gun" with head up and not using the scope incase the target is inside 10 or 15 yards. I think a 4 power scope is not a good choice for a defensive rifle, but a 2 or 1.5 is a special item and costly these days. I have used 3-9 variables on rifles with the scope cranked down to 3 but even with that I still look over every thing up close as magnification is an issue up close.
The red dots are great.....except cheap ones do not have good battery life generally or automatic cutt offs to save power when you forget to turn it off. Can you besure there are enough hours left in that watch battery to power her red dot while she makes it on foot to your rendezous? Will the heat or cold of car storage effect battery life. Might not an Idaho winter make a weak battery weaker?
Iron sights never have too much magnification or batteries to go dead. I like Tech Sights.....but I have been shooting aperature sighted rifles since 1968.
It is going to take a lot of shooting to prove a magazine. Plinking on a range a single failure to feed in one of 4 of your 25 round magazines seems great. What if that one in onehundred shot is her shot number 2? or 9? I may well be that having 10 rounds that give you a 99.9 percent chance of making 10 shots beats a 99 percent chance of making 25 between reloads. Of course if you can prove to yourself that they function the same a 25 may well better a 10.....except that 25 sticks out far enough to get in the way and keep her from getting as low as possible if there is no other cover.
Not saying don't use a 25 rounder, just saying test the dickens out of it and train with it.
I note some suggest that a tacticool appearence might discourage would be attackers.......it may also make her look like a more attractive target. Bad guy has his jennings .22 and sees girl (in his mind that was the most polite term I could think of) with BAD rifle with bannanna mag, light , scope and what have you. In your scenereo he may think having your lady's rifle would make him a better preditor. He does not stand in front of your lady and challenge her to a gun fight, but gets in front of her long enough for her to pass by close enough that he has a few shots at her back with his double duece.
Also busy in that situation officer friendly might let folks with "a hunting rifle" or "just a .22" just go on their way, but some one with "an assault weapon" might be someone that needs to be "questioned"
Off all your suggestions for making her 10-22 "better" for a bug out gun getting a functional sling makes the most sense and even there she needs to be trained to never use the sling except when she absolutely must have two hands, and not just wants to have two hands. She needs to be trained to use the sling when she must to carry in a way the rifle will not be in her way and to get the rifle out of the carry position she chooses and shots on target as quickly as possible.
Just some things to think about.
-kBob
As EMTs I imagine both you and your Lady have seen what a .22 LR does on flesh and are aware both of its limitations and its potentual so I am not going to argue.
I think the 10-22 she has would be good because it is what she already has and shoots.
I would for a self defense .22 choose a high speed solid 40 grain bullet over any hollow point or hypervelocity light weight. Deep penitration will be more important than rapid expansion in causing both bleeding from major veins and arteries and in reaching important nerve trunks and preferating important organs.
I would choose a cartridge that was as close to absolutley reliable in your magazines as possible. Sureness of function is certainly more important than any possible bullet effect difference might be had by choosing a less reliable load for your rifle and magazines.
If you really want a light on the weapon consider this, in your scenerio a lot of other folks might be running scared. If your girlfrind lights up Jill with the 15 shot beretta 9 silly meter WHILE POINTING A RIFLE AT HER what is Jill's response likely to be? Train to not use the light to Identify possible targets but to illuminate only known targets. Carry a second light if you must light things up just to check them out.
If you go with the standard 10-22 birch wood stock ( don't know what you have) then you likely have the slippery plastic butt plate. You may want to do something to make it less slippery. I cut a section of bicycle inner tube to cover the middle half of a plastic butt plated gun I used for an Appleseed event with good results.
She needs to learn to shoot that rifle "like a shot gun" with head up and not using the scope incase the target is inside 10 or 15 yards. I think a 4 power scope is not a good choice for a defensive rifle, but a 2 or 1.5 is a special item and costly these days. I have used 3-9 variables on rifles with the scope cranked down to 3 but even with that I still look over every thing up close as magnification is an issue up close.
The red dots are great.....except cheap ones do not have good battery life generally or automatic cutt offs to save power when you forget to turn it off. Can you besure there are enough hours left in that watch battery to power her red dot while she makes it on foot to your rendezous? Will the heat or cold of car storage effect battery life. Might not an Idaho winter make a weak battery weaker?
Iron sights never have too much magnification or batteries to go dead. I like Tech Sights.....but I have been shooting aperature sighted rifles since 1968.
It is going to take a lot of shooting to prove a magazine. Plinking on a range a single failure to feed in one of 4 of your 25 round magazines seems great. What if that one in onehundred shot is her shot number 2? or 9? I may well be that having 10 rounds that give you a 99.9 percent chance of making 10 shots beats a 99 percent chance of making 25 between reloads. Of course if you can prove to yourself that they function the same a 25 may well better a 10.....except that 25 sticks out far enough to get in the way and keep her from getting as low as possible if there is no other cover.
Not saying don't use a 25 rounder, just saying test the dickens out of it and train with it.
I note some suggest that a tacticool appearence might discourage would be attackers.......it may also make her look like a more attractive target. Bad guy has his jennings .22 and sees girl (in his mind that was the most polite term I could think of) with BAD rifle with bannanna mag, light , scope and what have you. In your scenereo he may think having your lady's rifle would make him a better preditor. He does not stand in front of your lady and challenge her to a gun fight, but gets in front of her long enough for her to pass by close enough that he has a few shots at her back with his double duece.
Also busy in that situation officer friendly might let folks with "a hunting rifle" or "just a .22" just go on their way, but some one with "an assault weapon" might be someone that needs to be "questioned"
Off all your suggestions for making her 10-22 "better" for a bug out gun getting a functional sling makes the most sense and even there she needs to be trained to never use the sling except when she absolutely must have two hands, and not just wants to have two hands. She needs to be trained to use the sling when she must to carry in a way the rifle will not be in her way and to get the rifle out of the carry position she chooses and shots on target as quickly as possible.
Just some things to think about.
-kBob
Skylerbone
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Vortex SPARC battery life: 3,400 hours at low setting. Auto shut-off after 6 hrs.
Bushnell TRS-25 battery life: 3,000 hours on low setting. Not sure on auto off features.
Anyone entering a riot zone with just a .22 rifle has bigger problems than a tacticool looking stock. STAY PUT! Unless they burn you out, better to wait a few days for things to die down if you didn't act quickly enough. The idea of the RDS is to provide quick aiming and increased accuracy. Leave it on the pistol (if mountable) for defense up-close. Mount it on the rifle for defense at distance or hunting small game. The Vortex also comes with a 2X magnifier as does the StrikeFire, effectively a red dot sight and scope. A 3X is available separately along with a flip mount.
The reason so many prefer a .22 as a SHTF caliber is versatility and weight. 500 rounds can be carried in a quart size Ziploc bag allowing room and weight for more critical supplies like water.
Bushnell TRS-25 battery life: 3,000 hours on low setting. Not sure on auto off features.
Anyone entering a riot zone with just a .22 rifle has bigger problems than a tacticool looking stock. STAY PUT! Unless they burn you out, better to wait a few days for things to die down if you didn't act quickly enough. The idea of the RDS is to provide quick aiming and increased accuracy. Leave it on the pistol (if mountable) for defense up-close. Mount it on the rifle for defense at distance or hunting small game. The Vortex also comes with a 2X magnifier as does the StrikeFire, effectively a red dot sight and scope. A 3X is available separately along with a flip mount.
The reason so many prefer a .22 as a SHTF caliber is versatility and weight. 500 rounds can be carried in a quart size Ziploc bag allowing room and weight for more critical supplies like water.
Clipper
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A hi-point carbine is short & cheap, will eat the worst, crummiest ammo you can find, is cheap to shoot in 9mm, has almost no recoil, cheap mags and is surprisingly accurate. I had one in 9mm with an ATI stock and it was everybody's favorite gun to shoot. If I wanted a trunk gun, that would be it
stumpers
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Since the OP wants 10/22 answers, I'll play along and not suggest all the things that aren't the 10/22 he already has.
For me, I would want, in this order of importance:
1. 3-6 magazines
2. Rear aperture/peep sight
3. Folding stock
4. Small but bright weapon light
5. A low power scope or red dot that can be easily removed if damaged or zero is lost
For me, I would want, in this order of importance:
1. 3-6 magazines
2. Rear aperture/peep sight
3. Folding stock
4. Small but bright weapon light
5. A low power scope or red dot that can be easily removed if damaged or zero is lost
WNC Seabee
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Another big vote for Tech Sights. For your purpose, I think they're about perfect. No batteries to go bad, no switches to fumble with and outstanding accuracy within the given range of a .22lr. The tech sights will be much fast on target than standard scope as well.
http://www.tech-sights.com/
Edit: My truck gun is a beat to heck Marlin Model 60 with Tech Sights.
Hey I'm still here folks!
I like all the recommendations, however I'm gonna have to stick with the 10/22 for now.
Trying to convince her of a higher end RDS rather than a scope, maybe If I slap one on my 10/22 and have her use it she'll be convinced!
I do rate the mags as priority though.
The Bushnell TRS and the Vortex Strike Fire or SPARC are the optics I'm looking at.
I like all the recommendations, however I'm gonna have to stick with the 10/22 for now.
Trying to convince her of a higher end RDS rather than a scope, maybe If I slap one on my 10/22 and have her use it she'll be convinced!
I do rate the mags as priority though.
The Bushnell TRS and the Vortex Strike Fire or SPARC are the optics I'm looking at.
Skylerbone
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For those worried about weight, the SPARC weighs in at 5.2 oz.
Techsights are nice but eliminate the scope mount. The EGW base is a 1913 spec. rail with center channel allowing use of the BUIS which are very decent as .22 rifles go. Having a rail means having options from irons to scope to RDS available to any firearm with a rail.
Techsights are nice but eliminate the scope mount. The EGW base is a 1913 spec. rail with center channel allowing use of the BUIS which are very decent as .22 rifles go. Having a rail means having options from irons to scope to RDS available to any firearm with a rail.
Shadow 7D
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Seeing how something like less than 1% of the population is veteran/served in the military
it amazes me to see all the crap people insist on hanging off their guns
but then they have never had to walk 30 miles with said gun.
flashlight on gun???
why, so she can point a loaded gun at you trying to 'help out'
better to have a good head band or learn to shoot with a flashlight in hand
and why are you going to put all the extra stuff on the gun
YOU DON'T NEED IT
you need training, know how to use your weapon, and you will get past it
iron sights once again, DON'T RUN OUT OF BATTERIES
In the end it's your life, so have fun, just don't make the basic usefulness of the .22 into something it isn't.
it amazes me to see all the crap people insist on hanging off their guns
but then they have never had to walk 30 miles with said gun.
flashlight on gun???
why, so she can point a loaded gun at you trying to 'help out'
better to have a good head band or learn to shoot with a flashlight in hand
and why are you going to put all the extra stuff on the gun
YOU DON'T NEED IT
you need training, know how to use your weapon, and you will get past it
iron sights once again, DON'T RUN OUT OF BATTERIES
In the end it's your life, so have fun, just don't make the basic usefulness of the .22 into something it isn't.
Skylerbone
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If she joins the military perhaps she'll follow their lead. http://www.biggerhammer.net/picatinny/1913_specs.pdf. The purpose of "junk" like scopes or red dots is increased accuracy. I can only imagine the OP won't have military supply trucks stopping by the mess to drop off dinner and many casual shooters never become proficient enough with irons to hunt small game. So...rather than rattling off a dozen reports and inviting unwanted attention, it is my recommendation that an optic be used for sake of accuracy. My guess is most people in such survival situations are more often hunting rabbits and squirrels than two-legged critters.
If a long-range threat exists, likely all advantage is lost. They have identified the structure, counted its inhabitants and will dispatch the greater threat first (sorry KDD, that's you). Simply seeing other people at long range does not give cause to fire on them unless other qualifiers are met. The biggest advantage the OP holds is his present State of residence. I chuckle at doomsday preppers living in NYC high-rises. In any case there is far more to consider in preparation than can be worked out here.
I don't care for weapons mounted lights as I'm not a member of a tactical entry team. I do keep a small handheld 250 lumens flashlight on the nightstand and it works fine.
If a long-range threat exists, likely all advantage is lost. They have identified the structure, counted its inhabitants and will dispatch the greater threat first (sorry KDD, that's you). Simply seeing other people at long range does not give cause to fire on them unless other qualifiers are met. The biggest advantage the OP holds is his present State of residence. I chuckle at doomsday preppers living in NYC high-rises. In any case there is far more to consider in preparation than can be worked out here.
I don't care for weapons mounted lights as I'm not a member of a tactical entry team. I do keep a small handheld 250 lumens flashlight on the nightstand and it works fine.
Also, how to use the sling as a shooting aid. Something like this, or variants of it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib8OeQdwFEY
A couple of upgrades that might be useful are an automatic bolt release, like this Volquartsen, and an extended magazine release, if hers doesn't already have one.
(Links are to Midway, so you can see what the products look like. I'm not affiliated with them and have never ordered from them, so offering no endorsement here.)
(Links are to Midway, so you can see what the products look like. I'm not affiliated with them and have never ordered from them, so offering no endorsement here.)
CraigC
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Maybe YOU don't need it but that's up to the individual to decide. Period.
I have walked all day with mine and much heavier rifles. I walked all day in the hills last Friday with a 10lb muzzleloader. Big deal.
Have YOU ever tried to shoot a rifle with a flashlight in your hand? It ain't easy. When you have an actual NEED to shoot in the dark, having a weapon mounted light is a godsend.
Maybe folks should try asking "why?" before passing judgement, obviously based in bias and ignorance. Because it 'could' have something to do with the coyote running across the pasture last night in close proximity to a month old calf.
The Grand Baboon
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I've owned a 10/22 and an MP 15-22. The 15-22 was easier to clean, disassemble, and clearing malfunctions is much easier and quicker.
On the other hand, the 10/22 was a much more accurate and reliable rifle. It could take small game at a much more reliable distance than the 15-22 and rarely jammed. I didn't like the way the 15-22 was constructed (plastic mostly), but I liked it's controls over the Ruger. Aftermarket accessories and parts for the Ruger are cheaper and in much greater quantity than the 15-22.
When flashlights are used correctly they are disorienting and devastating. They are an invaluble part of any gun that could possibly see combat.
Don't poo-poo on me, but I'm a part of a club here in Utah that does large-scale force-on-force scenarios using airsoft weapons. I was at a large, multi-day scenario with roughly 200 people spread over a square mile of desert and abandoned buildings. Weapon mounted flashlights gave my squad a serious advantage at night. We conducted successful ambush after ambush (maintaining zero casualties) all because of the blinding and surprising effect of flashlights used in unison. There is nothing worse that 6+ high-lumen lights lighting you up like the Las Vegas strip at night. The effect was so pronounced that most of the enemies couldn't get a shot off because they couldn't decide who to shoot fast enough.
On the other hand, the 10/22 was a much more accurate and reliable rifle. It could take small game at a much more reliable distance than the 15-22 and rarely jammed. I didn't like the way the 15-22 was constructed (plastic mostly), but I liked it's controls over the Ruger. Aftermarket accessories and parts for the Ruger are cheaper and in much greater quantity than the 15-22.
When flashlights are used correctly they are disorienting and devastating. They are an invaluble part of any gun that could possibly see combat.
Don't poo-poo on me, but I'm a part of a club here in Utah that does large-scale force-on-force scenarios using airsoft weapons. I was at a large, multi-day scenario with roughly 200 people spread over a square mile of desert and abandoned buildings. Weapon mounted flashlights gave my squad a serious advantage at night. We conducted successful ambush after ambush (maintaining zero casualties) all because of the blinding and surprising effect of flashlights used in unison. There is nothing worse that 6+ high-lumen lights lighting you up like the Las Vegas strip at night. The effect was so pronounced that most of the enemies couldn't get a shot off because they couldn't decide who to shoot fast enough.
HoosierQ
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Best thing about the 10/22 scenario is you can not only afford to shot a lot of ammo, you can afford to stock a lot of ammo and you can carry a lot of ammo. You could carry 1,000 of 22lr easy. At 1lb per 135 rounds (roughly) that's 7.4 pounds...less that one gallon of water at 8.3 pounds.
Shadow 7D
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Craig, then you are not your average suburbanite, but even you have to admit that a scope that can handle 'casual' (rough) handling and not have issues is going to cost at least a 10/22.
And Craig, never had to shoot dogs in the cow pasture
but when I was in and walking all day, my night optics were more than up to that, and I didn't have to foot the bill for them either.
While a weapons light is useful, it is limited, first off, anything you use it for is being pointed at with a lethal weapon.
it breaks light discipline, and makes you a target, with two people, if you have to spotlight, do like the rednecks do, have a buddy hold the light. As for force on force, we were taught to drop and shoot the lights, that you were engaging in a game, well, don't expect it to work that way in the real world.
And Craig, never had to shoot dogs in the cow pasture
but when I was in and walking all day, my night optics were more than up to that, and I didn't have to foot the bill for them either.
While a weapons light is useful, it is limited, first off, anything you use it for is being pointed at with a lethal weapon.
it breaks light discipline, and makes you a target, with two people, if you have to spotlight, do like the rednecks do, have a buddy hold the light. As for force on force, we were taught to drop and shoot the lights, that you were engaging in a game, well, don't expect it to work that way in the real world.
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