The 32 acp…love it or hate it.

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Have to admit that I have a certain fondness for things that are esoteric. I’ve done quite a bit of reading trying to figure out the reason or justification that John Browning came up with when he invented this round. About all I have found could be summed up with one simple statement: The 32 ACP packs about twice the punch of the 22 Long Rifle. To say that the authorities in Europe were fond of the 32 ACP is something of an understatement. About all I could find was that the folks in Europe felt the 32 ACP was “good enough”. Perhaps part of the popularity of this round stemmed from the small frame guns made to use the round. Still, there were military and police guns that we full size duty guns. Perhaps its popularity had something to do with the mild recoil generated by the round that enabled people to shoot these handguns more accurately. Then there are the books written by a British author about a somewhat psychopathic spy that was licensed to kill where the stopping power of the 32 ACP was likened to a “brick bat being thrown through a plate glass window.” ( who knows. Maybe MI6 loaded their 32 fodder to 357 magnum levels. ) Or just maybe it’s all of the above to some degree.

What ever the pluses or minuses are, it seems as if the 32 ACP has a loyal following. I think it’s going to be with us for the foreseeable future. And I have to admit, I’m fond of the round and the guns I have that shoot it…one German Walther PP. A Bavarian contract PP made under license from Walther by Manurhin, stainless Beretta Tom Cat and a Beretta Model 81 with a 12 round magazine. The Tom Cat has an inherent weakness at the juncture in the frame where the trigger bar connects to the trigger. You don’t dare shoot that pistol with rounds that produce over 129 foot pounds of energy at the muzzle or you run the risk of a cracked frame. There are those that state that such frame cracks are only cosmetic and will not have any effect on either the safety or reliability of the gun.

The Walther and the Manurhin are very solidly built and will surely last several lifetimes. The the Beretta is a more recent acquisition…who needs a 80 series Beretta with a 12 round magazine? Well the Italian Federal Department of Corrections did. These guns were released in the US retail market a couple of years ago ( picture ). I bought mine, hand select…best one out of 10 for $234. You could buy a lot of ten of those for $1950. I could kick myself for not jumping on that deal. These guns in reasonably good condition are selling in the $500 to $600 range today. My CCW is almost always a 9MM that packs way more punch than any 32 on the planet. I don’t know that I will ever carry a 32 for personal protection. That said, I just enjoy shooting the mild mannered little round. What’s your opinion? 91EA5823-BBF0-446F-96CC-572691D3FBEC.jpeg
 
The 32 family of cartridges have the advantage of being easy to control and generally rather accurate. I probably have as many 32 family handguns as 9mm Luger and .380 combined. My oldest 32acp was made in 1906 while the newest was made in 2019.

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I had two Model 1903 Colt Hammerless pistols that I have always regretted trading away years ago. Both would be worth a fortune today.
 
I like the caliber, but most of the pistols leave something to be desired as it seems every one has a flaw. Colt 1903's have no sights, Beretta Tomcats are too thick due to the pop up barrel and have the cracking issues, the Kel Tec's are an antiquated design with the stupid long heavy trigger, so far the best that's out there is the Beretta 81, but I do wish it was a locked breech to further lower recoil.

We will probably never see a new US produced .32 ACP pistol, unless Kel Tec releases a Gen 2 of their .32, so it's a caliber I love, but the pistols chambered for it I'm not all that hip to.
 
.380 does everything the .32 ACP does and better, in a similarly sized gun.
I dont hate it, but have no use for it either. I divested all my old .32 ACP pistols some years ago, though I do still have a small stash of ammo for my Dads Ruby.

Same situation with .32-20, its just a .38spl with more difficult to form brass.

Now, the .32 SWL makes a lot of sense as a centerfire target revolver round. I do wish it had more factory support.
 
I like 32 ACP guns but as Dirty Harry said, “A man gots to know his limitations,”

32 ACP is a short range round to be relatively effective. But, an advantage is 32 ACP guns can be smaller, easier to handle and easier to conceal than a 380 ACP version. The Kel-Tec P3-AT and P32 are examples.

I do enjoy shooting my Colt 1903, Walther PP, and Beretta 81.
 
I like it… not for the fundamental excellence of the round but for the fact that it’s had a lot of interesting, elegant, historically significant guns chambered for it. It’s also a nice size for recreational shooting. Enough power and noise to let you know you’ve fired a centerfire handgun, but light enough and quiet enough that it’s not fatiguing. I just wish it were cheap, too.

That said it’s definitely better than .22 in a fight. I wish we had more KelTec P32 style guns, taking advantage of how truly tiny a modern .32 can be. I also wish we had some modern locked breech guns chambered in it, for recreation, or the recoil averse. It’s also, of course, a potentially pretty good small game round, if you prefer to use a semi-auto and if legal in your jurisdiction.
 
I have looked at the CZ 70 and CZ 83 pistols. Seem well made and similar to the Walther design. Both seem like a good value for the money. Where did most of these see service when they were new?
My CZ-83 and my Beretta M-82 were both police trade in guns from Europe somewhere. Little used, much carried, and a great value.
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.380 does everything the .32 ACP does and better, in a similarly sized gun.
I dont hate it, but have no use for it either.

That's kind of my thoughts on it as well. I have an LCP. I don't know that you can get any better concealment than that with any of the .32 ACP pistols that I'm aware of.
 
Loved the caliber for years during my HS time sadly fade it. The Beretta/Browning and Colt's get me drooling visiting a friend collector. Also, I do believe he had a nickeled S&W revolver in 32 acp too.
 
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I like the caliber, but most of the pistols leave something to be desired as it seems every one has a flaw. Colt 1903's have no sights, Beretta Tomcats are too thick due to the pop up barrel and have the cracking issues, the Kel Tec's are an antiquated design with the stupid long heavy trigger, so far the best that's out there is the Beretta 81, but I do wish it was a locked breech to further lower recoil.

We will probably never see a new US produced .32 ACP pistol, unless Kel Tec releases a Gen 2 of their .32, so it's a caliber I love, but the pistols chambered for it I'm not all that hip to.

The Star Model S was chambered in both .32 ACP and .380. Both with a locked breech design. When you can find one anymore they're getting pricey for a battered specimen. I had the Interarms imported .380 Star Model S back in the day and it was a joy to shoot with it's 4 inch barrel and locked breech. Llama made something similar but I don't know if it had a locked breech.

Micromax in the Phillipines made (or still makes?) a Star Model S "ish" .380, but I understand later models got rid of the locked breech an are only in .380 so I lost interest in them.

What I wish for is a new made Colt 1903 type .32 with some of the better updates, such as a magazine release behind the trigger area on the frame and a more modern 1911 shaped safety. The big problem I have with modern .32s is the barrels are too short. I want a 4 inch model.
 
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