The ammo shortage is real and my dad just realized it.

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So I love my Dad dearly, he is however more of a "gun owner" than "Gun activist" By this I mean that he has owned guns for longer than I have been alive, shoots every so often. BUT does not spend time on gun blogs or things like that.

So today he calls me up and asks if I wanted to go shooting. Well I just went shooting yesterday but WHY WOULD I SAY NO TO A FREE RANGE TRIP? So I come over and help him get his stuff together and he mentions that he needs ammo. I told him that its really tough to find. He tells me that he heard something about that

He was looking for
- .38spl
- .357mag
- .380

well 25min and 8 phone calls later, we cant find any ammo anywhere other than the fact that one gun shop had 2 boxes of premium self defense rounds in .380

So finally I call this little hole in the wall shop that normally never has anything. Turns out they had plenty of both .357 and .38 but no .380 at all. So we swing by there and pick up the ammo I also got myself a box of .40S&W because it was cheaper than online and in stock.

So we went shooting had a great time and he finally gets just how big the shortage is. All in all we had an amazing time and I got to spend the day with my Dad.
 
I keep hearing about the ammo shortage, but I haven't seen it around here. Plenty of stuff in stock.

Reloading supplies are thin, though.
 
Yup, went to get some .223 and .45 the other day for a range trip, and it is sold out in all 3 locations around me. Really sad too, considering it is warm out now.
 
I just did some shopping online,I did get some non "panic" calibers but yeah,never thought I'd see the day when 9mm,.380,45acp and stuff would be scarce and or just crazy priced.

Look on gunbroker,people are listing a box of s&b .380 for $30 a box of 50.:eek:And there are bids on S&B .45acp for $25 for 50 with bidding still going.:barf:

People panicking are the ones driving these to this level of insanity while merchants are just laughing it up.Sorry I don't need to go out shooting that bad,I WILL NOT PAY THAT,I'll shoot .22 only if it comes down to it.

At some point this will blow over,gun owners are slitting their own wallets right now,no one has stopped manufacturing ammo:rolleyes:

Although hey,times like this it is nice to own a 30-30 and or less panic stricken calibers.
 
It's real here too! I found one hole in the wall place that still has some pretty decent stuff in stock but that's about it.
Now I wish my dad and I could go shooting together. Family dispute a while back still acts as a thorn in everyone's side!!
 
I sit here and think about this,cargo ships are still sailing,planes are still flying,trucks are still rolling,plants are still producing.I could be wrong but as far as I see it is speculators at work again just like the housing spike and fuel spike of last year and why would ammo sellers want that to end when people are willing to pay,and not just buy a box or two as needed but buy 5000rds at a shot at the inflated prices?

hey want to go shooting this weekend?

yeah

ok lets get a couple boxes for the weekend

what?a couple boxes?We must buy 5000 rds at once before ammo ceases to be produced!!!
 
times like this it is nice to own a 30-30 and or less panic stricken calibers.
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It's always nice to own a .30-30! :) But I've noticed lately that even .30-30 ammo is getting tricky to find, both online and in stores. I think it's been partially caught up in the shortage.
 
A local Wally is fully stocked on Federal .223,.308 and 30-30.A couple others down the road are not.

Think about it,you are a dealer,you want to make mucho money,create even more panic by sitting on your stash and sell it at panic prices.Gun owners are part to blame but it is getting to a point that gun retailers are becoming another OPEC.I think anyway.I guraentee you that guy pedaling .380 fmj ammo for $30 for 50 probably has 20k or more rounds,but nobody would pay $30 for a box if it was available everywhere,so you sell it as "hard to find these days,don't know when I'll get more"
 
The Cody Walmart was out of .22LR rounds yesterday. Things are really tight here for reloading, haven't seen any large rifle primers or W748 powder in months.
 
As I just did some shopping,I was looking at .45acp and other common handgun calibers.I would like to shoot my .45's again,been a while.But I be damn if I will pay more than $15 for a box of fmj.

I'll let them sit and sit and sit in the safe before I pay stupid prices for ammo specially when there is no legislation,no stoppage of manufacturing:cuss:
 
oh and btw,on gun broker I just cruised and see alot of those evil black rifles listed all over with alot of -->0<-- bids.A couple months ago if you saw one left for sale it had bids......


*sigh* let me stop ranting and go outside and chill with a cig,oh wait,those did just go up in price with real legislation,hey I'll trade you a box of .45 for a carton of cigs?
 
Gun owners are part to blame but it is getting to a point that gun retailers are becoming another OPEC
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I agree with you there. I live in a small area where there aren't very many gun dealers.

This one guy owns a shop and there isn't another one within an hour's drive. He is asking $460 for the Walther P22 right now. Not the 5 inch barrel, just the normal 3.4 inch P22. It's worth about $350. If you make the hour drive to the other gun store that's what they ask for it, $350.

But this guy knows there aren't many dealers around, and alot of people aren't gonna drive that much farther if they don't have to. And he knows people are in gun buying mode so he's capitalizing on it.

Within about two months he's raised his P22 prices from the appropriate $350-360, to $460. He seems to go up by $50, give or take, per month. He's also asking $28 for the 525 count Remington Gold .22 bullets. You can drive down the road 200 yards and get them at Orscheln's for $18. He also only ever has one box out 'because they're hard to get, this is the last box'. Yeah, so hard that Orscheln's has 20 boxes all the time (which is likely where he gets his).

It's his business, and it's his right to charge whatever he wants. I guess my point is that he's acting like everything is hard to get so he can charge more, and I think that there are many, many others doing the same. Now that's not to say there isn't an ammo shortage, I'm just not sure it's as bad as the retailers let on. If the P22 was that hard to get, he wouldn't be able to replace the one he as out the day after it sells. I'm confident he has more on hand and only puts that one out for the same reason as the bullets. Hopefully people will quit buying from him so he'll learn to be more reasonable.

Also, others have commented about there being no legislation causing less ammo production, which is true as far as I know. Therefore even when people buy up the current stock of ammo, there isn't any logical reason to jump the price up. I don't think it suddenly costs more to make it because people are buying it. They would do better, I think, to take advantage of the ammo buying surge by dropping prices a bit so people will buy even more.

The 'farther away' gun store I referred to is using that logic more so, which is why they sell considerably more guns and ammo than the closer guy. You still make more money by asking a bit less and selling twice as much as opposed to hiking prices up and selling far less. You make less per item, but still more overall....
 
"...gun retailers are becoming another OPEC."

You are correct about the increased price for certain types of ammo [a trend that has been in place for at least two years now] but the suggestion that most gun stores...or big-box retailers...are taking advantage of the irrational urge to stockpile ammo couldn't be more wrong.

To correct your analogy:

Retailers of ammo *must* take into account what it costs to replace stocks of ammo that they sell. For some calibers...typical range-ammo .380ACP, for instance...there is no foreseeable supply that will allow them to restock.

Further, there is a very distinct trend towards depeletion of other calibers.

I work several days a week at one of the most successful FFLs in Tennessee and I can state without equivocation that I'd be delighted to have a ready supply of certain calibers. Alas, that isn't likely to happen soon.

You can avail yourself of the basic economics of supply and demand...free on multiple on-line sources. Do so...and stop insulting those of us who run honest businesses who are trying our best to meet unbelievable, historic demands for first-line commercial ammo.

We appreciate our customers and the business they bring us every day. We don't much appreciate *why* we have to disappoint a certain percentage of our customers...all day, every day. And we spend a good portion of our business hours *each and every day* trying to solve/meet their demands rather than do things that are more productive and profitable.

That's the proper perspective...and you can take that to the bank.
 
A local mom and pop gunstore around me,who I have come to know,he is not a scammer.I'm not saying that all retailers are.But I love how some defend the situation of any price increase as a "supply and demand" answer,that that is what it must be,because Capitalism is the greatest with no way of it being able to be abused.Why?because if you challenge Capitalism somehow you must be challenging America's principles also.

People said that about the gas hikes also that lasted 3 months."It isn't the companies,companies only charge based on demand,China and India's up coming need for oil are the reason gas is $4 a gallon,oil companies are just following supply and demand"."Get use to it gas is the price it is and reserves are running out".Some absolutely refused to fathom that maybe Capitalism isn't perfect and that sometimes some price gouge and so they defended the companies at all cost.

Yet in 2-3 months as fast as fuel prices rose, fuel prices plummeted.Did China and India have a change of need for fuel in 3 months?Did some monumental oil reserve open up?Did the world stop driving?No....speculators ran up the hype,ran up the price,ran up their bank account then reality came back.It was a good ride while it lasted for them.
 
I know earlthgoat,Im just in rant mode,it just peeves no end to see

A~a box of .380fmj listed for $30

B~someone willing to buy it because then the price stays.All because some are running around in circles shouting "Obama is coming".And will continue to shout it creating panic meanwhile we have been winning on gun issues so far,the Dems see guns as a loosing issue right now.But as long as they are in power some gun owners will post and say "but they are coming,but they are coming,buy now or be sorry,if you don't pay that $30 you'll be sorry".
 
The ammo shortage is real ... wish my Dad was still around for me to go shootin' with ....

me five.He never missed a black powder shoot,even on his way down.not a day goes by I don't miss me ol' Da.
 
Yeah, I miss my Dad, but I'm grateful that he taught me to shoot while he was here.

He also taught me to be patient, and to "buy low; sell high." During the post-election AR-buying panic, I picked up an underpriced custom Mauser in .257 Roberts. I didn't need any more black rifles...bought long ago.

Ammo? There'll be ammo. Once more: Dad taught me to be patient.
 
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Now I wish my dad and I could go shooting together. Family dispute a while back still acts as a thorn in everyone's side!!

Forget the family dispute. whatever it takes, don't give up those precious moments with family.
 
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"Forget the family dispute. whatever it takes, don't give up those precious moments with family."

That's exactly right. My dad didnt teach me to shoot, he is a naturalized citizen from Slovakia and they frown on gun ownership. But my dad taught me alot of other things growing up and we had some great times together. He is now suffering from alzheimer's/dementia. It is hard to see him like that because he was always is great physical shape and a very likeable guy. When he was younger in the "Old Country", he was a gymnast and soccer player.

Anyway, as much as I enjoy shooting, there are other things in life that are more important and meaningful.
 
Just got 1000 .223 62 grain Wolf. Sorry stuff, I think I will send it back.$.37 each
 
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