HarleyFixer
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No ammo here for months.......but WM says tommorrow they will have 1000 bricks of Federal .22.
The ammo shortage is real and my dad just realized it.
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chuckusaret
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Thats cheap. The crooks, local gun stores, here in Florida are pricing themselves out of business. I no longer buy from local stores and only buy from mail order or gun shows. The show this month had a number of ammo vendors with affordable prices. I bought 500 rounds of WWB .40 cal FMJ $150 plus $9.50 tax
I don’t think it is shop owners hoarding ammo as much as it is a supply and demand issue with consumers (including the military & government). In addition the brick and mortars have to complete for inventory with the online sellers who are able to move more volume (thus they can get better deals from manufacturing).
Is this true?
>>> Georgia Arms is the 5th largest retailer of .223 Ammo
>>> in America. (they sell 9 mm, .45, etc ammo)
>>>
>>> They normally buy spent brass from the US Dept of
>>> Defense - 'one time used' shell casings by our
>>> Military - from training on Military bases, etc. They buy
>>> the brass and then re-load for resale to Law Enforcement,
>>> Gun Shops, Gun Clubs, Wal-Mart, and etc.
>>> They normally buy 30,000 lbs of spent brass at a
>>> time.
>>> This week the DoD wrote a letter to the owner of
>>> Georgia Arms and said that from now on the DoD will be
>>> destroying the brass - shredding it. It is no longer
>>> available to the Ammo makers - unless they just buy it in a
>>> scrap shredded condition (which they have No use for). The
>>> shredded brass is NOW going to be sold by the DoD to China
>>> as scrap metal....after the DoD pays for it to be shredded.
>>> The DoD is selling the brass to China for less money than
>>> Ammo manufacturers have been paying...plus the DoD has to
>>> pay to have the brass shredded and do all the accounting
>>> paperwork. That sure helps the US economy now, doesn't
>>> it? Sell cheaper to China - and do not sell shells at all
>>> to a proven US business. Any agenda working here???? Obama
>>> going after our ammunition!!!!!
>>> The Georgia Arms owner even related a story that one
>>> of his competitors had already purchased a load of brass
>>> last week - and the DoD contacted him this week and said
>>> they were sending someone over to make sure it was
>>> destroyed. Shell Casings he had already bought! THE BRASS
>>> HAS NO VALUE TO THE AMMO MAKER IF IT IS
>>> DESTROYED/SHREDDED/MELTED. THE AMMO MANUFACTURER ONLY USES
>>> THE EMPTY BRASS SHELLS TO RELOAD DIFFERENT CALIBERS - MAINLY
>>> .223 BULLETS.
>>> Georgia Arms owner says that he will have to lay off
>>> at least Half of his 60 workers, within 2 - 3 months if the
>>> DoD no longer sells their spent brass to him. He has 2 - 3
>>> months inventory of shells to use. By summer - he's
>>> out. If he has to buy new manufactured brass shells, then
>>> the cost of ammunitioin to the buyer will double and
>>> triple...plus Obama wants to add a 500% tax on each shell.
>>>
>>> You can read the info and see the DoD letter to
>>> Georgia Arms here:
>>> The Shootist Site
>>> http://www.theshootist.net/
>>>
>>> Georgia Arms Site:
>>> http://georgia-arms.com/
>>> Loss of US jobs, control of ammunition by the new
>>> Obama administration....liberalism at its best and on the
>>> way to socialism. When times get bad...and they will very
>>> soon...only the bad will have guns and ammo. This new
>>> "Obomanation" is going to make good citizens into
>>> crinimals by trying to take our guns and ammo.
>>> Georgia Arms is the 5th largest retailer of .223 Ammo
>>> in America. (they sell 9 mm, .45, etc ammo)
>>>
>>> They normally buy spent brass from the US Dept of
>>> Defense - 'one time used' shell casings by our
>>> Military - from training on Military bases, etc. They buy
>>> the brass and then re-load for resale to Law Enforcement,
>>> Gun Shops, Gun Clubs, Wal-Mart, and etc.
>>> They normally buy 30,000 lbs of spent brass at a
>>> time.
>>> This week the DoD wrote a letter to the owner of
>>> Georgia Arms and said that from now on the DoD will be
>>> destroying the brass - shredding it. It is no longer
>>> available to the Ammo makers - unless they just buy it in a
>>> scrap shredded condition (which they have No use for). The
>>> shredded brass is NOW going to be sold by the DoD to China
>>> as scrap metal....after the DoD pays for it to be shredded.
>>> The DoD is selling the brass to China for less money than
>>> Ammo manufacturers have been paying...plus the DoD has to
>>> pay to have the brass shredded and do all the accounting
>>> paperwork. That sure helps the US economy now, doesn't
>>> it? Sell cheaper to China - and do not sell shells at all
>>> to a proven US business. Any agenda working here???? Obama
>>> going after our ammunition!!!!!
>>> The Georgia Arms owner even related a story that one
>>> of his competitors had already purchased a load of brass
>>> last week - and the DoD contacted him this week and said
>>> they were sending someone over to make sure it was
>>> destroyed. Shell Casings he had already bought! THE BRASS
>>> HAS NO VALUE TO THE AMMO MAKER IF IT IS
>>> DESTROYED/SHREDDED/MELTED. THE AMMO MANUFACTURER ONLY USES
>>> THE EMPTY BRASS SHELLS TO RELOAD DIFFERENT CALIBERS - MAINLY
>>> .223 BULLETS.
>>> Georgia Arms owner says that he will have to lay off
>>> at least Half of his 60 workers, within 2 - 3 months if the
>>> DoD no longer sells their spent brass to him. He has 2 - 3
>>> months inventory of shells to use. By summer - he's
>>> out. If he has to buy new manufactured brass shells, then
>>> the cost of ammunitioin to the buyer will double and
>>> triple...plus Obama wants to add a 500% tax on each shell.
>>>
>>> You can read the info and see the DoD letter to
>>> Georgia Arms here:
>>> The Shootist Site
>>> http://www.theshootist.net/
>>>
>>> Georgia Arms Site:
>>> http://georgia-arms.com/
>>> Loss of US jobs, control of ammunition by the new
>>> Obama administration....liberalism at its best and on the
>>> way to socialism. When times get bad...and they will very
>>> soon...only the bad will have guns and ammo. This new
>>> "Obomanation" is going to make good citizens into
>>> crinimals by trying to take our guns and ammo.
We had a gun show here last weekend. An ammo dealer came in with WWB .380, in the 100rd boxes, and was asking $75 a box for it. They sold out on Saturday, no more .380 on Sunday. I've heard since that some other dealers threatened to call the attorney general on them for price gouging.
Brian Dale
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z11375ss, that was true, but there was a furor over it, some legislators were contacted about it and it's been rescinded. Georgia Arms and other remanufacturers will continue to be able to buy used military brass.
People whose analytical abilities and familiarity with government surplus procedures I trust have posted that this was almost certainly the result of a major error by some office drone and not a purposeful attack on the ammo supply by the Administration. The silver lining to the cloud is that people in the Administration now have more information about how American voters would react to any purposeful, politically motivated attack on the ammo supply.
They had a notice posted at the Georgia Arms web site for a while, but they've apparently taken it down and are back to normal. Here's a link from the Google cache: Click Me!
People whose analytical abilities and familiarity with government surplus procedures I trust have posted that this was almost certainly the result of a major error by some office drone and not a purposeful attack on the ammo supply by the Administration. The silver lining to the cloud is that people in the Administration now have more information about how American voters would react to any purposeful, politically motivated attack on the ammo supply.
They had a notice posted at the Georgia Arms web site for a while, but they've apparently taken it down and are back to normal. Here's a link from the Google cache: Click Me!
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L1D3N
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Something really strange is going on. I hear it's because of the new administration in Gov. I hear it's because of the new idea to code every bullet so they know who bought it and where or some blame it on the different conflicts and wars going on in the world etc. I just don't know anymore, I can't find .22 at my local walmart and it worries me. I have never seen anything like this. I guess I should of gotten into bow hunting! 
Ive never been one to hoard ammo or worry about losing my right to bear arms but that is changing.
Ive never been one to hoard ammo or worry about losing my right to bear arms but that is changing.
KarenTOC
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In a (relatively) free market, the market sets the price. A product can't sell for more than it's worth, because worth is determined by what people are willing to pay for a product. If people will pay $75 for a box, then that box is "worth" $75. Doesn't matter if it sold for $3.50 last week, this week it's worth $75.
(and the dealers who complained are probably just miffed that they underpriced their ammo.)
model of 1905
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*sigh* let me stop ranting and go outside and chill with a cig,oh wait,those did just go up in price with real legislation,hey I'll trade you a box of .45 for a carton of cigs?
This is what bugs me! I was buying off brands at the Indian reservation two weeks ago for 22.00 a carton , now the same cigs are 32.00 a carton! If you want Marlboros, its 46.00!
I bought 50 round boxes of .45ACP Blazer Brass at Walmart yesterday for 14.97 abox. (I did buy all they had). The liberals just might get me to finally quit smoking but they will never get me to quit shooting!
This is what bugs me! I was buying off brands at the Indian reservation two weeks ago for 22.00 a carton , now the same cigs are 32.00 a carton! If you want Marlboros, its 46.00!
I bought 50 round boxes of .45ACP Blazer Brass at Walmart yesterday for 14.97 abox. (I did buy all they had
). The liberals just might get me to finally quit smoking but they will never get me to quit shooting!
lionking
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Guess what,smokes go up 70cents a pack April 1st.That increase so far are the companies charging more not the tax.I'll go to cheaper brands if I have to.
But cigarettes are a easier target for the Dems right now,eveybody hates a smoker.So far the Dems have steered clear of gun issues,except for a few huff and puff statements but we are winning so far,alot of people like guns,not so much smokers.
"the market is what people are willing to pay".Well yes true,and in my previous statements I did say that gun owners are part to blame for this hysteria.How many members here constantly post "The Dems are coming",almost just hoping they can be the first to post the link to the news that the Dems started some legislation to be able to say "see I told you so".
The market is what people are willing to pay,but the market is also based on speculation and hype and nothing sells more that doom and gloom.There are people who still post HR1022? ans say see,they introduced legislation,yet that bill is old and dead.....for now.
The market is what people are willing to pay,the question is why are they willing to pay $30 for a box of run of the mill .380acp fmj when as it stands right now no real effort has been made to ban or tax ammo?
But cigarettes are a easier target for the Dems right now,eveybody hates a smoker.
So far the Dems have steered clear of gun issues,except for a few huff and puff statements but we are winning so far,alot of people like guns,not so much smokers."the market is what people are willing to pay".Well yes true,and in my previous statements I did say that gun owners are part to blame for this hysteria.How many members here constantly post "The Dems are coming",almost just hoping they can be the first to post the link to the news that the Dems started some legislation to be able to say "see I told you so".
The market is what people are willing to pay,but the market is also based on speculation and hype and nothing sells more that doom and gloom.There are people who still post HR1022? ans say see,they introduced legislation,yet that bill is old and dead.....for now.
The market is what people are willing to pay,the question is why are they willing to pay $30 for a box of run of the mill .380acp fmj when as it stands right now no real effort has been made to ban or tax ammo?
Flash!
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well.... the ammo shortage just became real to me.... I went to Wally World today and they did not have ANY 22lr...... that was the one thing they always had up until today.....
Shortage in the sense that there is not enough to keep up with demand is true. Shortage in the sense that there is less of a supply is not true though. It is just the people causing a run on ammo that is causing the hoarding and missing inventory at your local stores.
Thus causing higher prices at most local stores. We are causing our own problems here this time
Flyboy
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And some of us realized that oil--like housing, food, and everything else--was actually fairly stable in price, when compared to money. Currency, on the other hand--as measured in dollars--was phenomenally cheap compared to money (commodities).
That's the fundamental issue behind our economic woes: there were too many dollars in the system, resulting in substantial inflation. We've seen some of those manufactured dollars evaporate, moving us closer to equilibrium.
Capitalism worked exactly the way it was supposed to.
"There’s no ammo shortage, there is plenty around here"
Must be nice to live somewhere that still has ammo, for the rest of us it feels like walking into a Wal-Mart the night before the ice storm of the century is about to hit. Its either bare shelves or .243 ammo for 38.99 a box.
But I have enough to shoot......for a while
Must be nice to live somewhere that still has ammo, for the rest of us it feels like walking into a Wal-Mart the night before the ice storm of the century is about to hit. Its either bare shelves or .243 ammo for 38.99 a box.
But I have enough to shoot......for a while
cliffy
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Finally!
I received my powder order, but primers are STILL backordered! I cannot load without primers. I still have seven viable loads, but I need primers to increase my arsenal to a respectable amount for range usage. I'm a target shooter, because it's my main hobby. I enjoy shooting fifty-plus rounds per outing. I fear becoming "rusty." Where are all the primers hiding? cliffy
I received my powder order, but primers are STILL backordered! I cannot load without primers. I still have seven viable loads, but I need primers to increase my arsenal to a respectable amount for range usage. I'm a target shooter, because it's my main hobby. I enjoy shooting fifty-plus rounds per outing. I fear becoming "rusty." Where are all the primers hiding? cliffy
Brian Dale
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Welcome to THR, FJ40INTOW.
About ammo, again: there'll be ammo. Think about the long term: local shortages mean that a lot of people have been buying more guns and ammunition than they usually do. That's good.
I've got a hunch that we ain't seen nothin' yet.Flyboy said:
About ammo, again: there'll be ammo. Think about the long term: local shortages mean that a lot of people have been buying more guns and ammunition than they usually do. That's good.
Went to local Big Box sporting goods store today were out of .380 like everyone else in the world. Asked kid at counter about it. Yeah we got some in earlier in the week it lasted about 5 minutes until ____ and his son came in and bought it all. ______ is a local Gun Shop owner. I have heard rumors of this before but this time I confirmed it.
Brian Dale
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Let 'em, 2RCO. Let's just keep moving that ammo. Big Box Store'll get more. Their buying power might be more effective at bringing ammo into the community than the smaller stores' purchases can.
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Hm.
Disgusting.
Sitting on 6 months worth of shoot here and seeing prices go up everywhere. :banghead:
Half tempted just to slash the shoot ration in half, sit on half the stuff and wait a while until prices come back down.
Our State raised smoking taxes to fund something like 70 millions of dollars for a level one trauma system. Unfortunately all the smokers cut back or got online to buy smokes elsewhere and now the state is looking to raise taxes somewhere else to make up for the shortfall because the smoke tax increase isnt working.
And so on down the line.
Disgusting.
Sitting on 6 months worth of shoot here and seeing prices go up everywhere. :banghead:
Half tempted just to slash the shoot ration in half, sit on half the stuff and wait a while until prices come back down.
Our State raised smoking taxes to fund something like 70 millions of dollars for a level one trauma system. Unfortunately all the smokers cut back or got online to buy smokes elsewhere and now the state is looking to raise taxes somewhere else to make up for the shortfall because the smoke tax increase isnt working.
And so on down the line.
rugerman
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Yea I wish I could go shooting with my dad and my youngest son again, maybe one day in that big range in the sky where all the guns and ammo are free and the targets are never ending. Damn I miss them! Maybe one day my oldest son will enjoy shooting as much as they did.
gc70
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Here's why....
My wife usually shoots 22LR. Whenever we go shopping together in a store that sells ammo, she usually asks if she needs any ammo and I usually buy a couple of 50-round boxes to make her feel good (I keep a brick or two as the real ammo supply for her shooting). We recently visited two stores within a week that were out of the brand of ammo that she prefers - not out of 22LR, just out of 'her' brand. When I got home from work one night the following week, there was a CASE of 'her' brand of 22LR on the bar. She had found the ammo at another store and decided to buy it while it was available.
My wife now has enough ammo to last her a year. At least she bought the ammo at a good price.
OK. Anyone not believeing the ammo shortage is real, and systemic, hop online to any of the major online ammo sites, and look around.
I went shopping for 9mm, .40S&W, .38spl, .45ACP, .223 and .380ACP earlier today. Did I find some of each? Yes, but it took some looking. And, I found it at prices not too far off what it was last month (after a lot of looking). But, the number of "out of stock, no backorder" entries was just staggering. Ammoman.com has huge swaths of the site lited as out of stock. Some places have no 9mm. No 9mm. That's like going to Baskin Robbins and not being able to get vanilla.
Mike
I went shopping for 9mm, .40S&W, .38spl, .45ACP, .223 and .380ACP earlier today. Did I find some of each? Yes, but it took some looking. And, I found it at prices not too far off what it was last month (after a lot of looking). But, the number of "out of stock, no backorder" entries was just staggering. Ammoman.com has huge swaths of the site lited as out of stock. Some places have no 9mm. No 9mm. That's like going to Baskin Robbins and not being able to get vanilla.
Mike
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"That's like going to Baskin Robbins and not being able to get vanilla."
no, its like going there and not being able to get ice cream.
NO ICE CREAM!
:banghead:
no, its like going there and not being able to get ice cream.
NO ICE CREAM!
:banghead:
crowbardog
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Cheaper Than Dirt has it in stock!
This company should change its name.
1,000 rounds of Wolf for only 800 dollars. (50 X $15.49 = $774.50)
Screaming deal!
I honestly find this ammo price issue to be amusing. $800... that HAS to make you laugh, especially with the URL "cheaperthandirt" sitting there at the top of the screen. I love shooting and haven't done as much as I used to because of prices. But since I still surf, snowboard, skateboard, cook, date (and what goes on afterwards), go to school, work, exercise, and play with my nieces/nephews/dog, I haven't been to bothered.
And when I said I don't shoot as much, don't take that to mean anything more than exactly what I said. I don't shoot as much, but I am shooting way more often. If you have to ask how... well then I can't help you.
Shoot less. Shoot accurate. Try making some pistol grips. Reload and develop your loads to maximize your gun's potential. There are other enjoyable things shooters can do for entertainment that still pertain to firearms.
In the mean time, don't waste your money on this high-priced ammo. Sorry gun stores, no money for you. I don't care who's to blame!
Sellers are strong when they are few and buyers are many. Sellers are even stronger when buyers feel that a product is very limited in supply. It is in essence free marketing for the manufacturers and retailers and at the same time allows them to justify a price increase.
Ultimately, I, Mike Miller, not an economist, place most of the blame on US, the buyers. After all, we could simply refuse the high prices by purchasing way LESS than normal. Manufacturers would have to lower the price to stay profitable.
Wow. I've been a highroader for 6 years and I'm still sane (at least according to all of my personalities.)
This company should change its name.
1,000 rounds of Wolf for only 800 dollars. (50 X $15.49 = $774.50)
Screaming deal!
I honestly find this ammo price issue to be amusing. $800... that HAS to make you laugh, especially with the URL "cheaperthandirt" sitting there at the top of the screen. I love shooting and haven't done as much as I used to because of prices. But since I still surf, snowboard, skateboard, cook, date (and what goes on afterwards), go to school, work, exercise, and play with my nieces/nephews/dog, I haven't been to bothered.
And when I said I don't shoot as much, don't take that to mean anything more than exactly what I said. I don't shoot as much, but I am shooting way more often. If you have to ask how... well then I can't help you.
Shoot less. Shoot accurate. Try making some pistol grips. Reload and develop your loads to maximize your gun's potential. There are other enjoyable things shooters can do for entertainment that still pertain to firearms.
In the mean time, don't waste your money on this high-priced ammo. Sorry gun stores, no money for you. I don't care who's to blame!
Sellers are strong when they are few and buyers are many. Sellers are even stronger when buyers feel that a product is very limited in supply. It is in essence free marketing for the manufacturers and retailers and at the same time allows them to justify a price increase.
Ultimately, I, Mike Miller, not an economist, place most of the blame on US, the buyers. After all, we could simply refuse the high prices by purchasing way LESS than normal. Manufacturers would have to lower the price to stay profitable.
Wow. I've been a highroader for 6 years and I'm still sane (at least according to all of my personalities.)
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