The best combat 9mm in your opinion

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... you should be able to fire it accurately under stress.
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That last line narrows it down to me to my 9x19 Series '80 Colt 1911-pattern pistol. After lots of work by John Harrison, it is reliable and accurate, and I can shoot it well under stress. My hands (really short fingers) are just too small to shoot any of the wondernines well, and I have not been impressed with the durability of the H&K P7M8s I have tried.

I know that 9x19 1911s have a reputation of being unreliable (and I experienced it firsthand with my 9x19 Baer), so my Colt might be a fluke or, more likely, a testament to John's ability as a smith.
 
I like the Sig P226 myself. Any Sig pretty much. Glocks and Hi-Powers are also great 9mm guns. The HK USP and USPc are great.

To be honest there are so many great 9mm guns. For me though, nothing beats a Sig P226 or P228.
 
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There is a reason that the premier SpecOps of the world don't use Glock. It is a good to great police or self/home defense weapon, but comes up short for first line military combat. There is are reasons our first line SpecOps folks don't use them.
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I've heard a lot of people say this. Could you or someone else articulate those reasons for me.

Why are Glocks good/great tools for more restrained situations, but not in more pro-active ones.
 
I've heard a lot of people say this. Could you or someone else articulate those reasons for me.

Why are Glocks good/great tools for more restrained situations, but not in more pro-active ones.
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Some years ago on the tactical forums, when the kool aid drinkers were still pushing Glock, One of the SEAL's on the board answered.

The teams had tested the Glocks, and the biggest problem was the magazine. Once it got wet, particularly with sea water it cannot be cleaned properly. The aluminum is encased in plastic and the salt water gets between the plastic and aluminum. The aluminum once doused deteriorates rather quickly. The teams didn't care for the original all plastic magazines either. Besides being 'non drop free' and IIRC there was another reason about the magazines too. There were a couple of other reasons about the guns too. I don't remember them.

Anyway that is another reason the teams have stuck to the SIG's 226, and now added the 228 or should I say M11. The HK monstrosity is rarely used. and they swim with their 6" 686's. Or at least they used to.

If you want to read about Glocks present problems, go over to 10-8 Forum. Mostly the problems are with the 45, and 40 caliber Glocks. No body over there knocks the 9mm versions. The 17 is considered good to go.

Frankly even in the model 17 I have had magzine problems going back almost 20 years.

These are the folks that use the Glocks for work. Hard work. It's that real life, factoid thingy that screws up all the fantasy's.

Go figure.

Fred
 
Another "belly button" thread.

Here's MY opinion on combat handguns in 9mm. I have the FNP-9 and it is crazy reliable, accurate, tears down (for cleaning) about as quick as any pistol I know, . . . I refer to it as "the AK-47 of pistols" because of its robustness. I think they are one of the most underrated pistols out there, and are actually one of the best!
 
This is a no brainer for me.

M&P- double action only striker fired, I like much better than Glock, , Springfield XD, and Ruger.

Sig P226 - best traditional double action. I like better than CZ, H&k, and Berretta.

I have no opinion on the single action 9mm handguns. I prefer the double action only or traditional double action for a combat hangun.
 
I'll say it again.... Sig 226! aside from the hell to back reliability, the ergonomics make it a point and shoot weapon. I aim it just as I if I was pointing my finger and I hit the target. When you are familiar with the gun, in a combat situation, you don't have to worry about lining up the sights with the target.....just point and shoot.

Now I'm not talking about competition shooting matches... I'm talking about combat.....hitting center mass of a human size target and making target acquisition quicker than than the enemy who is shooting back. I'm not talking about shooting all shots into a half inch hole on paper with lots of time to aim.....those are different scenarios all together....
 
Chieftain, I personally like the ability to pull the trigger and fire versus having to thumb down the safety on a cocked and locked single action. I know that with a lot of repetition this could become second nature, but I shoot double action revolvers so much that I like to duplicate the action with pistols. I do have a 1911 that I love shooting, but would rather carry my other revolvers and pistols. Its comforting to have confidence that under stress I will not pull the trigger and find out the safety was never released.
 
I would say the top of the common (non oddball) choices would probably be (in order)

GLOCK (the head and shoulders above the rest trusted choice)
Sig (full or mid sized...close second....for weight and time spent with it)
Beretta 92 (not my favorite but I shoot them very well)
Honestly it would be a G17 hands down though.
 
Actually YearoftheDragon the US Navy SEALs official sidearm is the Sig P226. Though they often carry a variety of different firearms, or so I have read. Everything from .38 caliber revolvers to Glock 17's to Sigs to HKs. But the official sidearm is the Sig P226.
 
CZ 75 (black) hands down best 9mm I own and I've got 6 (2 of which are CZ 75s). Durable, accurate, great handling, and it looks cool as hell, what can I say... the CZ 75 is the tits!
 
Well, for what it's worth, I own a CZ 75 SP-01 shadow and I can instinctively point shoot with it very well. The main variations in shots are vertical, not horizontal, when point shooting. Maybe it's the ergonomics? It's also very good for standard shooting using the "modern" grip/stance. Prefer it over a Glock 19 and a Sig p239...though the latter two can be much more easily concealed!
 
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