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The "Best Place on Earth" for gun owners?

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  1. Matt304

    Matt304 Member

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    Just a question of curiosity...

    Where is the best place on Earth for a gun owner to live?

    By that, I mean a place that allows accessibility to all types of firearms, full-auto, SBR, silenced, easy importations etc. This place would preferably have those firearms available at comparable prices to ours, if not better, and permit you to acquire any desirable model that you could also acquire easily in the US.

    Does such a place exist in the world?
     
  2. Jimmie

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    Anywhere if you're a criminal. If you're law abiding, I think you'll be hard pressed to beat the US unless you start your own island nation.
     
  3. neby98

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    Lawless parts of the world perhaps?
     
  4. General Geoff

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    Private Island
     
  5. Macpherson

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    The more corrupt or lawless parts of Africa or South America possibly. If you have the favor of whatever de facto government is in power you could get your hands on whatever that government has access to, and do with it as you please, although theoretically the same is true in America, it's just a matter of how deep your pockets are.
     
  6. DoubleTapDrew

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    Sealand?
    Anybody who doesn't abide by the law can get about anything they want if they've got the connections and cash.
    The USA in the late 1700's was probably like that. I don't think you had to go through a ton of paperwork, ask permission from the gov't, and mortgage your house to buy a cannon, or any other arms that were available.
     
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    check out the swiss,you can even own a tank.
     
  8. Limeyfellow

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    Pakistan is fairly good for gunrights too in the tribal regions.
     
  9. cbsbyte

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    Ah no... the swiss have very strict gun laws. I don't understand why people believe it is some type of gun owners utopia. The laws are much stricter than in any place in the US. US gunowners would be calling for armed rebellion if they had to go through half of what Swiss gunowners have to do to get a license to own a gun outside of a military issue weapon. Granted once you get pass all the flaming hoops the Government makes you jump through, one can own almost any type of firearm as long as it was made in Swizterland. Also I am not sure about the tank, do you have a source of that information? Heck in the US you can own a tank, as long as the gun is deactivated. Actually In Canada a person can own live artilery, and tanks.

    I would say the best place in the world would be in a country where it is easy to obtain illegal weapons without ramifications for pretty cheap. Maybe in the Middle east, Afganistan, countries in Africa. The choices might be limted to old Soviet made stuff but you could probably buy a T62 tank with a life time full of shells for about the same price as a down payment for a nice European car with options in the US.
     
  10. Dan Forrester

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    You can own live artillery, tanks, grenade launchers or whatever you want in the USA for a reasonable price. The only exception to this is machineguns. For some odd reason our elected officials decided to price this class of weapons out of our hands.

    Switzerland seems like a terrible place for gun ownership. France, New Zealand, and the Scandinavian countries seem like the best. I think Norway has the highest civilian firearm ownership in the world.

    Dan
     
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    Yup, thats what I was thiking too.I beleive theres an old oil platform off the coast of England in international waters that is legally its own country.That would work for me.It was for sale not all that long ago, too.
    Edit:here it is....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Sealand
     
  12. highorder

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    that was my first thought. places that have arms bazaars like we have farmers markets.
     
  13. frankie_the_yankee

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    Can you compare and contrast the gun laws of these countries with those of the best areas of the USA? I'm thinking the laws on concealed carry, registration, owner licensing, etc. are much stricter in the countries you mentioned than almost anywhere here, and certainly more strict than a place like VT, AK or even TX.

    And what about the laws relating to self defense?
     
  14. The Deer Hunter

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    New Hampshire and Vermont are pretty good for around these parts. In NH no FID is needed to buy a long gun or whatever, not sure about CCW though. I'm pretty sure in VT you don't need either and you can open carry.
     
  15. armoredman

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    Well, Alaska and Vermont are the most relaxed laws I know of, but Vermont doesn't allow suppressors. AZ allows anything on the National Registry, and allows it to be carried, on the non-weapon specific Shall-Issue CCW permit, as well. We have open carry with out permit, no registration, no licensing, no waiting period,(other than the 15 minute phone call for Brady, unless you have a CCW, then it's about 5 minutes for paperwork), no FOID, no purchase frequency restriction. We have Castle Doctrine, no civil liability for justified acts, (You shoot the bad guy, it's ruled justified, his momma CAN'T sue you.), optional firearms training in public school, (range time required to pass, but I don't know any school doing it yet.), no magazine capacity limit, no AWB, Anti-New Orleans Confiscation law is in place, what did I forget? You can own armored vehicles here, know a guy who has several, and yes, you can own live artillery, etc, if you jump through the hoops of GCA '68. In fact, several tank guns, including the German PAK 75mm, are listed nationally as C&R...
    So, to recap, if you want to drive your restored Hetzer tank destroyer with live registered main gun, and registered MG42s, on your property, or authorized off road trails, while carrying your registered MAC-10 concealed, plus a pistol, hand ax and 3 throwing knives, (no listed limit on how many weapons, or type, you can carry concealed.), you may get asked for your paperwork, but IT'S LEGAL!!!!
    Try THAT in New Jersey!
     
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    Your dreaming. None of those countries are great for gun ownership. While there might be a large % of gun owners in the country compared to other European nations, and oceanic nations the gun laws are very repressive. I would hate to live in one of those country's because of the very high taxes, and strict gun laws. Californians gun laws are less repressive than those countries. Next time do a search on gun laws around the world and you wil be suprised on how bad it is outside the USA.

    You don't know a thing about the Federal laws pretaining civilian ownership of full auto guns do you? Our elected officals do not set the prices. In 1986 the machine gun registery was closed, meaning the prices for machine gun on list sky rocketed. It is supply and demand.
     
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    Dark Tranquility said:
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    csbyte,

    I think that's what Dark Tranquility was referring to.

    But I fully agree with the points you made about the gun laws in the Scandinavian countries and other places.

    I wouldn't read too much into this, but about the only places on Earth with better gun laws than the USA are what we would usually refer to as "hellholes". I wouldn't want to live, or even visit, any of them. (Doing a flyover as part of a wing of B-2's excepted of course.)

    America is by far the best place on Earth to live, for gun owners and for everyone. No where else comes close.
     
  18. joffe

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    The USA is the best place for gun owners. Latin American countries come a distant second. Norway and Finland have no better laws than other European countries, we just have more hunters. A bunch of Zumboes who will sell out anyone who has a black gun. Even the competition shooters will bend at the rate politicians push them.

    If you somehow managed to get born in the USA or slip past the immigration nahtzees, don't even think about moving. There's no better place for gun owners.
     
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    Central Africa. Full auto rifles for $20.
     
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    Mogadishu, Sierra Leon, Mozambique, Sudan, Zimbabwae, East Tamor, Congo, etc.; pretty much places with tribal warfare and kids weilding AKs.
     
  21. ConstitutionCowboy

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    Good point about the criminals, Jimmie. Sometimes I think they either know or care more about freedom than the law abiding.

    Woody

    "I swear to protect the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, but I am not trigger-happy. I am merely prepared and determined in its defense. It's a comfortable place to be. I don't suffer doubt." B.E.Wood
     
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    Freedom? Or anarchy? (Or maybe sociopathy.)
     
  23. Neo-Luddite

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    Iraq; they allow them up to .30 cal. The Coalition permits them more freedom as an occupation force than most U.S. citizens can exercise with wallet open and hat in hand begging for a cleo sign off. Of course under the 'old' regime of S. H. those loyal to him could have had anything they wanted that had been handed them via military aid from the UK, China, USA, or USSR at different times.
     
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    I think you nailed it with sociopathy. There is no freedom without law - the law being the Constitution, of course!

    So, I'd have to go with the United States. If our Congress and Supreme Court were to abide the Constitution, we'd live in the best place on Earth, under the least obtrusive government, with the best opportunity for success, and possess the freedom to protect it.

    Presently, we are not in a condition to be the best we can be. Place the blame upon ourselves for it is a result of who we placed in power.

    Woody

    "I pledge allegiance to the rights that made and keep me free. I will preserve and defend those rights for all who live in this Union, founded on the belief and principles that those rights are inalienable and essential to the pursuit and preservation of life, liberty, and happiness." B.E.Wood
     
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    Arizona: U.S.A's freedom's center.Thanks armoredman for telling on us!!!:eek:
    Now more will move here.
     
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