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The Clinch Pick from Shivworks, grapplers beware.

Discussion in 'Non-Firearm Weapons' started by rEVOLVEr VII, Jan 27, 2012.

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  1. rEVOLVEr VII

    rEVOLVEr VII Member

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    Cool little knife from Shivworks, this badboy is nasty and would appear to get the job done if your jumped and taken to the ground by a much stronger opponent. I don't carry a knife as my weapon of choice but I might just start now. Imagine how fast one would be able to unsheath the pick from the cross draw position.

    http://www.themartialist.com/pecom/shivworks.htm
     
  2. Yo Mama

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    They are much smaller than I thought based on the pictures.

    Kabar has the TDI that you also may want to eyeball.
     
  3. conw

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    The Clinch Pick is probably the best knife in its class IMO. However for the more budget minded the TDI is awesome (although it doesn't offer the reverse grip shearing type technique). Push daggers are also a good choice to fill this role.

    I also really like Ban Tang's Stupid Sharp knives. You probably won't find a clinch pick as the next planned production run was postponed due to supplier issues. BT will hook you up with a reasonably priced knife and trainer for about $200-220.
     
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    I really like Ka-bar's BESH wedge. the blade grind is inverted and has knurling for your thumb. runs about $20.
     
  5. conw

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    Doesn't look bad but what's the deal with the back edge? Is that some kind of weird serration?

    The "BESH wedge" design (not the ka-bar iteration specifically) seems to me to be an overhyped solution looking for a problem but I have to say the ergos and sheath don't look half bad for the cost.
     
  6. rEVOLVEr VII

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    Not sure whats the deal with the back edge, kind've a pointless addition if you ask me but I've gotta agree, to many problems seem to be associated with this knife.

    For one I don't believe a thrusting technique would be appropriate here considering the back edge of the blade isn't sharp enough to cut skin. And I wouldn't trust hacking and slashing a BG due to the overall length of the blade, your asking for trouble there.

    And from doing some research I've discovered that the steel the knife is made from is actually very cheap and easily wore down if you sharpen the blade. So I'll have to pass on this one.

    I looked into BT knives and I like what I see, I find the Pikal knife very interesting with the curved back, bad news there for a BG's gut. Your right about finding a Pick knife for sale online, I had no luck..
     
  7. conw

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    Just a small point here, the lower frontal torso AKA abdominal area is probably a poor target for your knife. Liver...maybe...but the kidneys are a surer bet at that range, and if you open up the range a small amount, you have a lot of targets available that are better.
     
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    I carry some cool little knives too, check out Cold Steels little Super Edge. I have been carrying it for some time. You can also hang it from the neck, or the belt--its like one once--cuts like crazy!
     
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    For anyone having trouble visualizing the grip for the inverted edge Clinch Pick
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    Believe it or not, that's a nail file on the Besh BOGA.

    Also, the Besh BOGA is a very very small knife and hacking isn't going to be part of the use. BOGA stands for Back Off Get Away and the knife was designed to be small enough to conceal and wear conveniently every minute of every day and to be used to get someone off you. The tip is the Besh Wedge part and is radically different than what we're used to thinking about for a knife tip. It penetrates VERY well (surprised me very much when Brent showed it to me), but it is small and is only intended to back someone off of you in a pinch instead of being used as a utility knife that you have to be concerned about keeping/staying sharp.
     
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  10. conw

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    Dogbite, I ordered a few Super Edges since they're so cheap and really wasn't impressed for anything other than a light duty utility knife.
     
  11. conw

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    hso if the Besh BOGA had the choil on the other side, it would be pretty perfect in a clinch pick type role. As is I still think it's a neat little fixed blade for the purpose, although I haven't handled one. Why it has a nail file I can't imagine though.

    Looks like someone finally got it right for $20 - good sheath (am I wrong?), good size, good ergos.

    Edit: I see the clip can't be moved on the sheath, bummer
     
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    Wellll, he didn't design it for p'kal although he might be persuaded to do a reverse edge version. I'm skeptical the grip is long enough, though.

    Sheaths on inexpensive fixed blades tend to have "limitations" and having a custom kydex made is a small additional cost.
     
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    [​IMG]

    Drill the center out of those rivets, tap them out and flip the metal clip to the opposite side and re-rivet or use screw fasteners. OR simply use paracord to make the X-Box pattern and use it like a belt loop.
     
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    Very cool. Anyone know where to find Shivworks blades and DVDs? Couldn't find any place that had them in stock.
     
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    Looks like a good tite spot get of tool!
     
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    Very cool. Thanks for the info.
     
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    Inspired by a prototype Disciple/Clinch Pick demo that SouthNarc gave at a long-ago Blade Show, I carried a Spyderco Ronin in the manner of a Clinch Pick, until the real things were released for sale. Of course, Ronins are not made anymore, either, but are not terribly rare on the used online auction market.
     
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    The ronin is awesome in conventional grip...but are you carrying it for Forward Grip Edge Up? It could work but seems awkward.
     
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    Neck knives, Disciples & other short fixed blades

    MODERATOR NOTE: The following posts resulted from posts moved from another thread.
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    My paragraph below gets at the gist of this one.

    For the record, since I posted these a couple of days ago, I've revisited neck knives (with Hso's help), and my current top pick would be a Kabar Eskabar, which is getting excellent reviews everywhere I look. (It's a hybrid or chimera with the blade of a Becker Necker and the handle of an ESEE Izula.)

    However, as you'll see below, John Shirley stirred to pot with news of a new knife that he's involved in the design of, and last night, Conwict stirred the pot even more by raising the issue of Shivworks Cinch Pick.

    Admittedly, Eskabar and Cinch Pick fill different niches. I'm looking for more of an EDC blade that can double as a SD knife. My current EDC is a Spyderco Manix 2, but I'm strongly considering moving to something like an Eskabar, in part due to faster deployment for ... any kind of task.

    We pick up the action, a little out of context ... :)

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    ^ Good point. My thoughts exactly.

    Maybe even more than one form of backup. E.g., knife and kubotan.

    I carry both (thanks to you, Conwict, again, for the kubotan), but my current EDC knife is a folder (Manix 2).

    I'm strongly considering a small belt-mounted fixed blade with 3" or so blade. Looking at many options right now. After much reading and reflecting (including how I train with my kubotan), I would add a Disciple in a heartbeat if they were more available and I had the cash, but they ain't and I don't. :(
     
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    Shucks, Nem. Sam and I are working on some designs that would probably fit the bill. By the time they're ready, you might have the money, too! :D
     
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    John, that's an exciting and tantalizing bit of news! :cool:

    (And yep, I'm launching a new professional project with about 20 others
    that promises to substantially improve my cash flow by sometime in fall.)
     
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    Remind me when I get back, if they haven't been rolled out yet. :)
     
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