The Colt 9mm Carbine - A Mini-Review

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With all of the threads and interest in pistol caliber carbines lately, I decided it was finally time to sit down and do a quick write-up on one of my newest acquisitions, a Colt 6951, AKA a Colt 9mm Carbine.

The brief description of this is it's the current semi-auto version of the 9mm Colt SMG that has been around since about the time I was born. Like most current AR carbines, it has a flat-top upper with 16" barrel, a carbine buffer and collapsible stock. This rifle came equipped with an M4 buttstock, A2 pistol grip and double-heat shield handguard, which I swapped out for a Magpul MOE SL stock, and Magpul MOE forend and grip. I had honestly forgotten how much I disliked the finger groove location on the standard A2 pistol grip until I put the first few hundred rounds through this rifle. And the MOE SL stock solved the issues of the stock pinching and pulling on my face during firing and the lack of a "grippy" surface on the buttplate. Plus, the stealth gray color makes it look different from all of the bazillion other ARs at the range.

I put the first few hundred rounds through this rifle with it in bone-stock condition, including using the irons. It took a little adjusting of the sights to get it hitting where I wanted, and after a few strings my eyes were having trouble keeping the front sight in focus. OK, that was expected with the short sight radius. But it was enough to prove function with the OEM magazine and get me familiar with the rifle. Being an AR it was a quick learning curve. It does have a standard single-stage AR trigger, and I know some people will find that abhorrable. For me and the uses a 9mm carbine is likely to be put to, I just don't see it as an impediment to practical accuracy. It's certainly nowhere near as bad as an out-of-the-box CZ Scorpion trigger.

The next step was to get my green dot Trijicon MRO mounted up. I picked a Trijicon Lower 1/3 Q-Loc mount, and everything bolted right up as expected. In the same shipping box were the first batch of additional magazines, and that's where the issues started to crop up. Brownell's Colt-style 9mm mags would not lock into the rifle with the bolt closed, and the action wouldn't cycle with mags locked in with the bolt open. I decided to return them instead of attempting modifications when a pair of Metalform magazines, which looked identical to the Brownell's mags aside from finish, locked up and worked just like the Colt-marked OEM magazine. I'll note this pair of Metalform magazines doesn't drop-free from the lower, but another pair purchased from a different vendor does, as will the OEM magazine. Lesson learned: Colt-style 9mm ARs are more like 1911s than Glocks when it comes to sorting out magazines.

As of writing this, I've put around 800 rounds of mixed 9mm FMJ through this carbine, the majority of it being Winchester 9mm NATO 124gr FMJ. Since the original SMG was set-up to run on this kind of ammo, it would explain why it works so well. Accuracy has been to my expectations, about 2.5" at 50 yards for 5-shots from a bench, with 100 yard offhand hits on a 1/2-scale silhouette being routine. Steel plates at 25 yards stand no chance. The rifle cycles quickly and I find it to have minimal muzzle rise when I'm driving the gun. Everybody always mentions recoil when talking about blowback 9mm carbines, and I don't notice the Colt being any worse than my CZ Scorpion, and it certainly isn't like a Kel-Tec Sub 2000 or a Ruger PC-9. Being a blowback action it does get very dirty, very quickly, After 300 rounds or so the receiver is filled with lots of unburnt powder and debris. The magazines should also get a disassembly and clean after the same interval. Two of my magazines have developed an intermittent failure to feed on the last round that I'm assuming is from accumulated crud due to my lack of magazine maintenance thus far.

And it will get very dirty because it's too easy to put rounds through. It makes me smile even more than plinking empty shotgun hulls with a .22 rifle. Bring a 9mm pistol and the Colt to the range with 200 rounds of ammo? Better be sure to save some for the pistol, otherwise it will all go through the carbine and you'll be turning your range bag inside out for any spare rounds you might have missed. Going to do some 100 yard bench shooting with the .308 hunting rifle? Throw in the 9mm carbine to shoot at 50 yards or the 100 yard steel while the .308 cools down. Not sure which shooting bays will be available when you get to the range? Bring the 9mm carbine and you're good for whatever is open. There's a reason why I've put 800 rounds through it in less than 8 weeks, and it isn't because my ammunition budget suddenly found some funds to spend before the fiscal year closes.

Would I recommend getting one? Maybe. It is an AR that you can use on steel plates inside 100 yards without special ammo. It is the same manual of arms as any other AR-15. It does cost less to shoot than 5.56mm. It does have less muzzle blast and might even be OK at some indoor ranges when it's big brother is verboten. And for those who want it, it IS a Colt.


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Love it, Wanderinwalker! I have it’s predecessor, a “pre-ban” early nineties edition, with all the hated features - shaved bayonet lug, sear block, large trigger and takedown pins. I don’t care, I love it. I toy with the idea of mounting an upper identical to yours on it so I can put a dot on it as you’ve done. But ai don’t know, I guess I just love the simplicity of the thing with good ol’ A1 sights on a carry handle. Why do I like it? Because it’s FUN! As you say, plate shooting out to 100 yards is easy and confidence-building. I have found no ballistic advantage to the 16” barrel vs my pistols but the hit probability is far greater, unsurprisingly. I use a Lula loader that makes quick work of the 32 round stick mags and it’s never malfunctioned, even with crap ammo. Again, I love mine and I hope you love yours!

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I've had mine for a few years, set it up to match my LE6920 for practice and PCC matches. I also dropped a Geiselle SSA-E trigger in it, just like my 6920. Utterly reliable with my 147grn IDPA loads and I love running carbine drills with it as it doesn't screw up my AR500 tgts. It also has more realistic recoil than a .22LR AR.

With 147s, it's actually quite, so quiet that an RO has to be careful with a timer to pick up the last shot.

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Not long after buying my Colt M16, about 15 years ago I started looking for a 9mm Colt upper and found a complete Canadian demilled kit less receiver of course. It came with the complete upper, bolt, spring/buffer 3-round burst trigger as well as furniture and a couple steel Colt mags … I opted for MagPul furniture and a 3-lug muzzle device.
I was shooting suppressed with 124 grain fmj at 50 yards …

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But, but....do they make a Glock-mag version? 😁

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That... That... THAT! Is almost downright hurtful... :rofl: (I should probably have a sign around here somewhere that says "Proudly Glock Free Since 2016". 😁 )

@kimberkid it has crossed my mind this Colt is a great candidate for a tax stamp and an SBR conversion, maybe even a suppressor host. Who knows what the future holds? @Chuck R. how is the accuracy with the 147 grain ammo? I've read mixed reviews on function and accuracy with subsonics from the Colts. My CZ Scorpion eats them up just fine and people at the range notice the distinct difference in sound signature versus supersonic loadings. Speaking of, perhaps later I'll do a comparison between the Colt and the Scorpion. I don't strictly regret getting the Scorpion originally, but when I started looking at Zhukov stock adapters to "correct" the slope on the CZ buttstock, I knew an AR-based rifle would've been the better initial choice for me.

@vanfunk those old school A1 sights might be my favorite "combat rifle" sights ever. Set them, then forget them. With no easy adjustment knobs for your friends to mess with when they borrow the rifle. Perfect. Now I kind of want an SP-1. Or a lightweight 20" flattop upper with an adjustable carbine-stocked lower? Maybe a C7 clone? I should take my old A2 match rifle out and see if I can still see the front sight on THAT rifle, or if somebody swapped the front sight post out for a fuzzy one while I wasn't looking.
 
That... That... THAT! Is almost downright hurtful... :rofl: (I should probably have a sign around here somewhere that says "Proudly Glock Free Since 2016". 😁 )

@kimberkid it has crossed my mind this Colt is a great candidate for a tax stamp and an SBR conversion, maybe even a suppressor host. Who knows what the future holds? @Chuck R. how is the accuracy with the 147 grain ammo? I've read mixed reviews on function and accuracy with subsonics from the Colts. My CZ Scorpion eats them up just fine and people at the range notice the distinct difference in sound signature versus supersonic loadings. Speaking of, perhaps later I'll do a comparison between the Colt and the Scorpion. I don't strictly regret getting the Scorpion originally, but when I started looking at Zhukov stock adapters to "correct" the slope on the CZ buttstock, I knew an AR-based rifle would've been the better initial choice for me.

@vanfunk those old school A1 sights might be my favorite "combat rifle" sights ever. Set them, then forget them. With no easy adjustment knobs for your friends to mess with when they borrow the rifle. Perfect. Now I kind of want an SP-1. Or a lightweight 20" flattop upper with an adjustable carbine-stocked lower? Maybe a C7 clone? I should take my old A2 match rifle out and see if I can still see the front sight on THAT rifle, or if somebody swapped the front sight post out for a fuzzy one while I wasn't looking.
Have you seen what SP-1s go for now?

Even building a pencil-barrel clone is big $$$$$. 😞
 
I've had trigger time on an issue Colt SMG and they were a splendid little squirt gun. I found it more intuitive and easier to hit with than the MP5.
 
Hi guys:

What buffer and spring are you running? I am thinking about swapping my stock for a collapsible and just wondering what the best way to go is. My factory fixed stock is the somewhat rare “CS” stock that is shorter than an A2 but uses a rifle buffer tube.
 
I got to shoot numerous SMG's while in the Army. My top 4 in no particular order are the M3A1, MP5, Colt SMG, and Swedish K. I originally built my Colt SMG clone as a braced pistol using a CMMG dedicated lower, CMMG bolt and barrel, And a Fulton Army upper. I have since permanently installed a fake XM177 moderator onto the barrel along with an adjustable stock. It is a fun one to take to the range.

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What buffer and spring are you running? I am thinking about swapping my stock for a collapsible and just wondering what the best way to go is. My factory fixed stock is the somewhat rare “CS” stock that is shorter than an A2 but uses a rifle buffer tube.

Colt and CMMG use a standard length carbine buffer that weighs 5.5 ounces with a standard carbine buffer spring. 5.5 ounces in the minimum buffer weight with 7.5 to 8.5 ounces being preferred. You can also get a purpose built 9mm buffer that is the correct weight and a little bit longer that a standard carbine buffer. Those of us that run a standard length buffer use some type of shim to keep the bolt from going back too far and then slamming into the bolt stop.
 
Have you seen what SP-1s go for now?

Even building a pencil-barrel clone is big $$$$$. 😞

I can neither confirm nor deny that the last time I knew the local prices on SP-1s, they were well into what I consider highway robbery because they could be sold at a premium into a certain nearby state as "pre-ban". I can also neither confirm nor deny that I may have less money tied up in BOTH my new Colt 6951 and Walther PDP Compact. And you aren't kidding about the parts prices! I might be money ahead to trade the Scorpion for an AR-15A4 instead of building an upper from parts.

@12Bravo20 those faux XM177 flash hider/moderators always look flat out cool to me. That looks like a fun little carbine there.

I'm sort of looking at the possibility of a heavier buffer for the 6951. I know it has a dedicated 9mm buffer and the spacer to keep the bolt over-run down, which is making me confused looking at the aftermarket parts that seem to be geared toward working with a standard carbine buffer with no spacers. There's no doubt the CZ Scorpion runs cleaner (still dirty), but the bolt slamming around really upsets the sights when you want to push the pace. The Colt cycles a lot smoother, at the cost of running dirtier. It seems to me it should be possible to add a bit of reciprocating mass to the Colt system without disturbing its shooting characteristics.
 
I am still running the stock 5.5 ounce CMMG buffer and spring with a spacer and it runs fine. I haven't had any issues with that setup while running bulk 115Gr ammo and my 115Gr reloads. I will probably try to add a little weight to that buffer or buy one that weighs between 7.5 and 8.5 ounces.

That build was fun as a pistol and is still fun as a carbine. It is quite accurate and I can hold a pretty good group at 25 yards while doing a mag dump.
 
What buffer and spring are you running? ... My factory fixed stock ... uses a rifle buffer tube.
Those of us that run a standard length buffer use some type of shim to keep the bolt from going back too far and then slamming into the bolt stop.
If you want to use carbine length spring and buffer in rifle length buffer tube, you can use $26 Spike's Tactical rifle stock spacer or quarters - https://www.brownells.com/gun-parts/rifle-parts/rifle-stocks-parts/ar-15m16-buffer-spacer/

$24 Spike's Tactical spacer (5% discount with THRFORUM code) - https://www.opticsplanet.com/spikes-tactical-billet-rifle-stock-spacer-for-st-t-in-a1-a2-stocks.html

I used quarters for my rifle length buffer tube fixed stock with carbine length spring/buffer and worked fine.
 
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I think I am using a New Frontier buffer spacer, I would have to remove it from the rifle to double check. I know the New Frontier spacers are around $10 or less. Or one can always use quarters. The spacers are nice in that they fit into the bottom of the spring and stay in place.

Or as mentioned, you can get the extended length 9mm buffers and not worry about a spacer.
 
New Frontier buffer spacer
Shorter buffer spacer is for using with "carbine length" buffer tube not "rifle length" buffer tube - https://www.newfrontierarmory.com/blowback-buffer-spacer
  • Use when running a carbine buffer with a blow back system instead of buying an expensive longerbuffer
  • Helps lessen chance of breaking bolt catches by limiting the rearward travel of your blow back BCG
  • Helps speed up cycling by shortening overall (necessary) bolt travelwhen using the shorter rounds/shorter BCG
When using longer "rifle length" buffer tube, you need longer spacer (Or enough quarters to make up the same length) to essentially make rifle buffer tube same length as shorter carbine buffer tube.
 
If you want to use carbine length spring and buffer in rifle length buffer tube
I guess that stuff was made after I'd had my 9mm upper.
I use the carbine stock for hip stuff and for youngsters to shoot it more comfortably
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but much prefer the A1 stock for my use.

Spacers were not made (that I ever heard of) so I turned down a delrin rod with beveled ends to fit inside the recoil spring
that made up the difference in length between the rifle and carbine length buffers.
With the heavy carbine buffer - so far, so good.

Is that enough parkerized metal in the picture, or what.
My photography skills leave little to be desired ( or emulated).

JT
 
OK, you guys are killing me! For some reason a 9mm Colt is a gun I have always wanted. I almost got one right before the AWB, but I let the store where I was working sell it, because of the crazy prices we were getting and how hard they were to come by.

Great review OP and great pics from everyone else.
 
I guess that stuff was made after I'd had my 9mm upper.
I use the carbine stock for hip stuff and for youngsters to shoot it more comfortably
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but much prefer the A1 stock for my use.

Spacers were not made (that I ever heard of) so I turned down a delrin rod with beveled ends to fit inside the recoil spring
that made up the difference in length between the rifle and carbine length buffers.
With the heavy carbine buffer - so far, so good.

Is that enough parkerized metal in the picture, or what.
My photography skills leave little to be desired ( or emulated).

JT
Love the Steyr! One of the few pistols still on my bucket list.
 
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