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The conundrum of the day.

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Sobel, Apr 16, 2012.

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  1. Sobel

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    I own a cz-82 and mn 91/30 and they are wonderful tho my cz has had quite a few failures to eject. Looking to the future I notice my 21st birthday and it has me rather excited for the opportunity to get my permit to carry concealed. The main issue is I have no funds and as it stands right now no manner in which to collect funds. I don't really know how trade ins work but would not mind trading in both of my current firearms for a handgun. I feel like my trade ins wouldn't get me enough store credit ( if thats how it works ) to get anything in 9mm other than a hi point. Any advice or ideas on what to do would be amazing Idk if this is posted in the right place either. ps. do gun shops take ammo? I have 300 rounds of 7.62x54r in a surplus can.
     
  2. General Geoff

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    Don't trade in your existing firearms just to purchase a more suitable carry gun. You'll regret it later in life, when reminiscing about your first guns. Plus trade-in value for those particular guns will not be very enticing.
     
  3. Shoobee

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    I agree with the General. I wish I still had my original S&W model 39.

    If a gun is not functioning right, take it to a gunsmith.
     
  4. MrDig

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    Keep what you already have as the resale let alone the trade value are not all that great.
    Generally a store will give you about 1/3 of the sale value, if you are lucky and have a good rapport with the owner you might get 1/2 the resale value.
    Save your money and get a decent carry piece and keep the others for the fun of it.
     
  5. Sobel

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    well the problem is funds if i take it to a gunsmith thats more money i just don't have :/ the price of ammo for the cz is just too high as well. I totally understand sentimental value. As I was thinking of ways to somehow get a newer gun it kinda made me sad that I'd be giving up my first gun. I'm much less attached to the m/n and i feel if i could find someone who wanted an extra one to strap a scope onto it plus the ammo maybe I'd get some money.
     
  6. ApacheCoTodd

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    Maybe you should lay some more facts on us for the extraction issue:

    Degree of wear

    Mags

    Ammo

    Consistency of failure

    Quality of "successful" ejections

    Photos of extractor/ejector

    Does it fail with others shooting it?

    All in all - I'd get the CZ working on your own if possible.
     
  7. Sobel

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    It failed with my friend as well , it seems that it will fire and as the casing is about to escape it gets caught by the rim just about every time. This doesn't always happen. It happens more often with the Fiocchi ammo. the sellier and bellot not as much. I wish i could take pictures but my laptops pretty busted.
     
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    No failures to feed?

    Is the gun doing this when it's very, very clean also?
     
  9. hermannr

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    That CZ-82 is a good carry weapon, concealed or open. If you do need it, and use it, and the police sieze it, you are not out a lot. If you have an expensive carry..it will hurt a lot more to have it seized.

    As for ammo, if you are careful, 9X18 isn't any/or at least not much/ more expensive than 9mm Lugar.

    First thing you need to do is diagnose what your ejection problem is, then fix it, or have it fixed. Go over on the CZ forum and start asking questions...my 82 works/has worked flawlessly/ so yours has something warn/broken...most things on that pistol are easy to fix, and relatively inexpensive.
     
  10. Sobel

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    Yes sir I always try my best to clean it, sometimes when I'm bored I just take it out and clean it to the best of my ability. Does that cause issues? Never a failure to feed its a nice gun it just has a flaw, that to me seems rather fatal if I need it to defend my life.
     
  11. Sobel

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    Its a really nice gun , it really is. I hear a lot that the 9x18 just isn't enough. The ammo that seems like its supposed to be defense ammo is expensive the fmjs i get are around 20-24 for 50 that seems kinda expensive when I see 100 normal 9mm for the same price( wallyworld orlando fl ) .
     
  12. ApacheCoTodd

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    OK - do you have any extreme marks from any of the following on your cases - especially the non-ejected ones:

    Marks on the case exterior which might be caused by a chamber mar of some kind.

    Unusual marks from the ejector on the base of the case

    Displaced or missing metal from the engagement of the extractor

    Also, the cost of a quality spare recoil spring is well worth it and may have an effect on the ejection issue. I don't have mine here but it seems the operating spring on my 83 - while able to be inserted in either direction - is in fact uni-directional.

    Could be wrong but I'll check when I see it.
     
  13. Manny

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    I always see posts where folks recommend these types of guns when newbies are looking to purchase for the first time because they are cheap. I think this is a text book example of why that is NOT a good way to start out. Instead of having one decent and common gun that almost anyone can work on, you've got a virtually non-functional pistol not worth much that will bring a pittance if he gets rid of it and a hard kicking rifle that may be a poor peasants wet dream but is a very poor choice for a new shooter that is also not worth much.

    Private sale would be the way to go on getting rid of these, the ammo too. Look for a gun show in your area and show up, folks with cash will be willing to take them off your hands, though I wouldn't expect to get much. Take that money, sit on it and do whatever is needed to add to it and purchase a better quality weapon in a common caliber such as 9mm or .38 special.

    Maybe not what you want to hear, but the best advice I can offer.
     
  14. Sobel

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    nothing seems messed up on the casings at all it seems like it should work perfectly fine. The Fiocchi ammo is like 90 something grains could it not be enough to force the slide back enough? So that it isn't completely back and snaps back too quickly and catches em by the rim ?Could that be remedied by say more grains of powder? Im not entirely sure as to how this business works. But, if I can figure all this out I'd want to try out some hollow points for it.
     
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    Fix that CZ-82! ;)

    Some things that might cause ejection issues:

    Have you put a new recoil spring in the gun?
    Wolff springs are cheap (less that $20 shipped) and simple to replace.

    Is the extractor worn?
    The extractor is a pretty easy fix, if you can find one. Some light filing to restore some grip on the extractor might help, if you're comfortable with that sort of thing.

    Are you guys limp wristing it?
     
  16. Sobel

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    oh no I don't limp wrist it my friend might have but thats because hes an ogre of a guy and doesn't respect the power lol. I haven't put in a new spring I didn't know there was a reason to I figured you'd need one if the spring was super worn and the slide didn't return or something. Would that really fix the issue?
     
  17. Sobel

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    Oh I like the rifle the recoil helps me remember I'm shooting something that destroys things. It isn't like they are boxes of garbage. I know it wasn't something really expensive but at least it wasn't a hi-point . :D Then I'd have a real problem.
     
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    When was the last time that you bought/shot fresh ammo for the CZ? That and going on line where the CZ folks hang out sound like the first steps. If that fails, please just take it to a gunsmith. I would not try to fix it yourself if you're planning to carry it. You don't sound like an experienced gunsmith or armorer and you'll really need this thing to work.
    But I would keep it.
     
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    You really won't get much at all for the Mosin. It's better to keep it and enjoy it- the fun of having it is worth more than the rather low resale value, unless it's a rare or special one.
     
  20. Sobel

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    I shot it within the last two weeks with some fiocchi ammo I don't think it was that old. I got that box when I got the gun so maybe a year or 2 ago? Does that much time really degrade the ammo? I could try and find a gunsmith but idk if I'll be able to.
     
  21. Sobel

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    It just an average 1942 gun that spent time in the Ukraine getting re-arsenaled ( I don't know if that is the term ) It has " matching " serial numbers. Not sure if they just made them all match by changing them or not.
     
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    Get a job, if needed then get a second job to bank that money specifically to your NEW gun fund. Then buy as good as you can afford or feel like spending.
    Any gun is fixable if you throw enough money at it, you have to decide if it's worth it. At least try different ammo, that gun just might not like a certain brand or type of ammo, semi's can be like that.
    By banking some green, it will give you time to check out different models and to do your homework on the best deal for yourself.
     
  23. Manny

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    To each their own, but a working Hi-point would be my pick over a non functioning CZ.... I can't abide things that don't work, especially something as serious as a gun.
     
  24. Sobel

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    It would be nice to get a job certainly. Tho my situation denies me that ability. Simply because of where I am in relation to jobs. Also the heat plays quite a roll due to Florida's delightful heat and my sensitivity to the sun. But, if I could find a job that wasn't more than 3-4 miles away I would get myself a job.
     
  25. LJ-MosinFreak-Buck

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    If you're not readily able to get yourself a carry pistol, I'd look at it as you're not ready.

    1. You said you didn't have a job, or any means to collect the funds-
    If this is the case, how will you afford ammunition for practice? How're you able to pay for maintenance? Cleaning supplies?

    2. You will end up regretting selling or trading the firearms you have, especially when you're losing two to gain one.

    Just wait until you get a job, and start saving. I don't even have my carry permit yet, and I've had pistols since last year. It's because I have other things that need my money sooner.
     
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