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The difference between Democrats and Republicans

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Onmilo, Jun 29, 2005.

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  1. Onmilo

    Onmilo Member

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    A customer, who happens to be 83 years young, stopped by to pick up a pistol that I worked on for him.
    We were sitting around chatting about this and that when I mentioned that Pres. George ll was speaking at my old stomping grounds of Ft. Bragg and that his dad, former Pres. George l and former Pres. Bill were playing golf together in Maine.
    My customer sits up and asked me,
    "Milo, do you know the difference between a Democrat of today and a Republican of today?"

    "Nope, tell me.", I replyed.

    "Republicans support the kiling of adults and Democrats support the killing of unborn children, other than that, there ain't no difference."

    The more I thought about what he said, the more inclined I am to agree,,,what do you folks think?
     
  2. cuchulainn

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    They want to ban or regulate different things.
     
  3. GunGoBoom

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    There's only 1 significant difference: SCOTUS appointments (and other judicial appts). Look at the 4 who dissented in Kelo - they were all repub appointees. As much as I dislike that wing of the republicrat uniparty, I think one almost has to vote republican for this reason, it appears, in my case holding my nose. Strict constructionists (usually) actually try to interpret the Constitutional fairly, and don't view it as a "living, breathing, changing" document, and repubs tend to appoint this type of jurist.

    PS. Wasn't Kerry in favor of the death penalty? Those kinds of issues are smoke & mirrors....

    PPS. Actually, probably the best description I've personally observed as what I believe is the basic difference in the 2 major parties at the *federal* level:

    -Democrats want to destroy the 2nd amendment (RKBA).
    -Republicans want to destroy the 7th amendment (Jury trial).
    -Both parties are 100% in favor of destroying the 10th amendment (state's rights), the 1st amendment (speech - see mccain feingold), and the 4th and 5th amendments (criminal defendant protections - see patriot act, and war on some drugs)
    -Both parties are also 100% on board with saddling our children and grandchildren with massive oppressive national debt.
     
  4. Vernal45

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    Is the speed of the HANDBASKET GOING TO HELL.
     
  5. JohnBT

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    Aw, things are never as bad as they seem. For instance, look at the complaints about FDR and the New Deal and... uh, nevermind.

    Okay, LBJ and the Great Society. Talk about people saying the world was coming to an end... nevermind. I concede.

    :)

    John...I'll never be confused with Earl Warren.
     
  6. ProGlock

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    You seem to forget that Kennedy was appointed by the neo-cons greatest president in recent time, Ronald Reagan.
     
  7. chopinbloc

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    none!

    honestly, i think as far as voters are concerned, republicans tend to believe in personal freedom and responsibility more and democrats tend to believe in the nanny state more. problem is, the politicians will never do anything particularly noteworthy because they want to collect as much of a base as they can. parties like the green party or libertarian party tend to have very clear objectives and the politicians in these quixotic organizantions would probably actually do something really noteworthy, but because of that very fact, they'll never get a substantial portion of the vote. my dad thinks we should hold runoff elections wherin you vote your conscience the first time around and the second time, they only put the two with the highest plurality of the votes on the ballot. this approach would allow a true multiparty system and would probably have some surprising results. unfortunately it would require a constitutional ammendment and those in power now would never support it.
     
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    Actually todays Republicans are the same as yesterday Dems. Todays Dems are the same as yesterdays Socialists. It's an evolutionary thing. They all want to micromanage our lives, the degree of control is different and evolving.
     
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  11. scottgun

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    The difference between a Republican and a Democrat:

    A Republican is walking along the beach and sees someone drowning 50 feet off shore. They throw them a life line 40 feet out and make the drowning person work to reach the lifeline.

    A Democrat is walking along the beach, sees a person drowning 50 feet off shore, tosses them a life line out 50 feet and then drops it to go save the next person.
     
  12. wdlsguy

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    Democrats believe in Tax and Spend, Republicans believe in Borrow and Spend. Neither party believes in individual liberties.
     
  13. GT

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    How trite.

    I guess when you get to that age you should be allowed to make asinine statements.

    You folks crack me up with your survivalist mentality and your personal freedom blather. Be careful what you wish for, you might not be able to handle it.

    I actually come from a Socialist workers paradise: England; and you do not know how good you have it. So listen up.

    We were attacked on 9-11 (that was the second time terrorists tried to kill me personally - I was about 5 miles from ground zero when it happened watching from a rooftop- so excuse me if I seem a little angry).

    If Algore had been elected then we would have responded in the Bill Clinton mode: couple of missiles/feel your pain/Mogadishu/United Nations.

    Thank God that George Bush 43 was in charge. We crushed the Taliban and routed Al Quaeda.
    We then crushed Saddam's regime who was the trainer, financier and enabler of Al Quaeda among many other terror organizations.
    Libya crumbled, North Korea was exposed, Pakistan fell into line and now is getting along with India, Iran is on the brink of an internal uprising and so-on.

    All this has served to focus terrorist activity in the mid-east not here.

    That is the first difference between Dem and Republican: foreign policy. The Democrats sell the US out at every turn, the Republicans don't (just occasionally from time to time for political convenience).

    The second difference is domestic policy.
    The Democrats are consistently and continuously for higher taxes despite proof that tax cuts INCREASE revenue (don't quote me JFK and his tax cuts; how long did he last?)
    The Democrats are consistently and continuously for individual disarmament (unlesss they are trying to get elected for five minutes)
    The Democrats are consistently and continuously pushing for bigger gvt, more welfare programs, more control.

    The Republicans have some in their ranks who might subscribe to some of the above ideas, but they are relatively few and far between.

    And yeah, Kennedy was appointed by Reagan AFTER the Democrats assassinated Bork's character!
    Kennedy was Regan's third choice. At the time Kennedy was a fairly reasonable centrist he morphed into the nut you see now over the years (...absolute power corrupts absolutely).

    If you are going to parrot somebody elses stupidity for crying out loud try to do a little research.

    Libertarians? Give me a break! They are so high on Mexican weed they want to open the southern border completely! Guess it would make getting that good stuff a lot easier.
    I might look like a shambolic slob but I sure don't want my President to look like he just got back from an all night bender (dude where's my platform?)

    So sure, the Democrats give all our missile technology to China, raise people from the grave in Chicago and on Indian reservations across the country, set the IRS on their political enemies, conspire with Communist totalitarian regimes around the world to the disadvantage of the US, support Islamic Jihad... the list goes on and on.

    Is Bush 43 perfect? No of course not. Think you could do better? Go for it.
    Bush 41 and Clinton? Whatever.

    Yeah, no difference, all bad, dang politicians.


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  14. wmenorr67

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    What GT said.
     
  15. MikeIsaj

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    Yeah, me too, what GT said. Well said1
     
  16. cpileri

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    the title says it all

    You should read the book, Hegemony or Survival. By Naom Chomsky .
    C-
     
  17. Onmilo

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    I have to admit the opinins here are far better than those expressed in any farmtown tavern,,,,,
    By the way I am a Republican and have been since I was old enough to understand political agenda.
    As for my customer, don't let his age get in your way, it doesn't get in his, the man is brighter than one might think.
     
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    Geez guys, it was a cute joke. Speaking of the English, here's another one.

    Why are jokes about the Irish so simpleminded? So the English can understand them.

    JT...who had grandparents named Cullen and Kennedy. My family has known about the English from hundreds of years back. That's why they left...and had to fight them again here...twice.
     
  19. David904

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    I agree with most of what GT said... though I like to classify myseld as a "lower case 'l' libertairan." As far as the who supports killing whom... I am very strongly pro-choice (I do not believe life begins at conception and the government has no business in our doctors offices), pro 2nd ammendment (heck, pro preservation of ALL of our rights), pro strong military and pro smaller government involvement in our personal daily affairs (no Nanny State which is what the Social Democrats support).

    And I vote Republican. I cannot stand a number of stances that Bush 43 has on domestic issues, but I believe him to be an honest straight shooting man. And I think he has saved our country by implementing an aggressive foreign policy with the GWOT.

    Your 83 year old friend has unfortunately shown that age doesn't always yield wisdom.
     
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    And wisdom rarely comes with youth and seldom with middle age. Those lucky enough to live long enough may discover it. My conclusion? It pays to talk to all the old folks you meet because the odds on learning something are much better.

    John
     
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    Mr. GT said,

    Your characterization of our "Mentality and Blather" made me think that you were a Limey even before you stated it.

    Not very characteristic of a Limey who holds our "Mentality and Blather" in low regard. Perhaps you should have emigrated to France.
    Really, do you think it was the Dems that did him in? I vote fer the MIC and more of them are Republicans than Democ-rats.

    All seriousness aside, there is NO difference between them. They are the same party, only different sects.

    It's a cryin' shame that wisdom is wasted on the old.
     
  22. javafiend

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    I know what you mean.

    More likely, it's just different scenery along the way.

    Karl Rove echo chamber.

    Pure myth, repeatedly debunked. Saddam and Al Qaeda hated each other.

    Libya is still there, and in fact has been rebuilding its relationship with the West since the 1990s.
    North Korea was exposed long ago and continues to build nuclear bombs on Bush's watch, the hawkish neocon rhetoric notwithstanding.
    Pakistan has long been a US client state, and its role in nuclear proliferation was long deliberately overlooked by the US gov.
    According to the CIA, In Iran conservative politicians have prevented reform measures from being enacted, increased repressive measures, and consolidated their control over the government.
     
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    Absolutely true. I worked on the Goldwater campaign when I was a college freshman, and have watched this stuff for 40 years.

    Conservative/Progressive values seem to run in 60 year cycles...with hiccoughs like WWII, Vietnam, and the WGOT as accelerants. We are coming to the end of a liberal/progressive cycle, and 9/11 accelerated it.

    Always listen to those with a foreign upbringing, especially if they are informed and intelligent. If for nothing else than to reinforce your ideas about American values.

    I have always made a point of listening to European opinion...before the Internet was available, I would listen to European news on the short wave. Not because I was particularly enamored by their politics, but I was always interested in how those offshore saw us.

    A student of mine from Egypt told me that "...nothing seems to change in America, no matter who is president." He explained that what we see here as huge changes are seen overseas as movements right and left in inches. I always found that interesting…and comforting in some way.

    The interesting thing about the English (disclaimer, I’m 1st gen Irish) is that their democratic revolution was fought over here in 1776. Englishmen who valued personal freedom either fought for or came to America, and still do. Those who preferred order stayed at home. England has always been a nanny-state compared to America.

    As for the difference between Republicans and Democrats….

    Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July, but Democrats believe every day is April 15. - Ronald Reagan
     
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    Vote Republican for over 35 years. Only time I didn't was when George Wallace ran. Looking at the now law. Campaign reform bill, the Patroit Act have to wonder what party is the worst. Anymore I think both want to destroy the Constitution. Couple that with the Court rulings coming out when so called Conservative Republican Presidents appointed 7 out of 9 of them. Think time to look at the 3rd parties. Since 911 their has never been so much done to destroy the Constitution in the history of the nation
     
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    What scares you more a theocracy or socialism?

    Because those are the current directions of the parties. I'm just waiting to see which side has someone strap a bomb on themselves first.

    I'm done with Republicans and their inability to stand up for the rights of private individuals, i.e. - Social Security (private accounts!), Tax Reform, the boarders, right to die, . . . the list goes on and on.
     
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