So, no difference between the Democrats and Republicans?

[mordechaianiliewicz]

Look, the Republicans are dirty. So are the Democrats. And, both parties bases are wavering. The Dems do seem solid compared to the fracturing Republicans. But, you should remember that Hillary has talked about an invasion of Iran. What do you think will happen to her base when it happens (oh, and it'll happen. As soon as Iran switches almost entirely to either the Euro or the Yuan [Chinese])

Neither party represents it's base. Both parties represent the corporations who give them their money. And right now, there are issues that exist for both Dems and Reps that make them unable to support their respective parties and support their corporate donors.

There will be a great reckoning for this. And it has already begun amongst the Republican Party. I'm just waiting for the Democratic Base betrayal when we start bombing Tehran.

There may be differences amongst the parties but they are in superficial areas. Roe vs. Wade, flag burning, gay marriage. Things that both parties need to keep around as issues to bait their bases. The real issues of power and money, they are the same.

But Americans are waking up. Slowly, but it is happening.

 

[Thin Black Line]

Now I'm doubly sorry about starting this thread.

During the 1990's, we were under constant attack.

For the last six years we've enjoyed a relative peace.

In the last six weeks, we've been bombarded with anti-gun bills that may well have a chance of passing.

Naw, no coincidence here. Nothing to look at. Move on.

"Relative peace"?! Where have you been the last six years? I can chalk up
one of those years so far as eating sand outide this country only to come
back and find an illegal alien invasion, a country about to collapse under
a load of financial debt, a more than abridged 4thA and both sides of the
aisle and all three branches of our so-called government taking a collective
squat on the Constitution I took an oath to defend.

The last six weeks have so far done less damage to what remains of your
rights than the previous six years. It's not just about the guns, guys, that's
just one piece of the larger game and the dems and repubs are just the left
and right hands on the guy moving the pieces around. But, sure, be aware
this guy is coming after your guns as well. The left hand may point the finger
at you, but the right hand will grab your gun.

 

[45Frank]

Hmm...

Let's see, for an example: I see very little difference between Rudy Guiliani and Hillary Clinton.

That why were in a Sh__ load of trouble if Goolyani gets the R nomination.
He will win, he'll win more then half the R votes and many of the NY, Cali, and Fla. liberal D votes. Then the D's can introduce any anti legislation they want right up banning all guns and he'll sign it, he is more dangerous then Klinton he actually believes that the people of this country love and want him, he is their savior. Klinton doesn't she could care less as long as her and Bill get POWER!

 

[45Frank]

The biggest question I have is this: Why is it that it takes a disaster to get many people in the Pro-gun community to get off their A**!!

I wish I could answer that one, nearly everyone I hang with is pro gun yet most just don't vote and then cry like a fr____ baby. Or worse yet will vote for the Dems and say oh they'll never take my guns, then when Brady or other ban comes along plame the R's for not having enough votes to vote it down.

Maybe there should be a permanent spot up to as to how to convince these people to vote and how to vote for pro gun cand.

 

[xd9fan]

If you are for a smaller government and capitalism and the generation of wealth, then you are more likely a Republican.

If it were true that the republicans are for smaller government I suspect I would still be voting for them. Tax cuts are not meaningful if the gov spends the money anyway.

yep actions speak loader than words(at election time)

 

[longeyes]

"Relative peace"?! Where have you been the last six years? I can chalk up
one of those years so far as eating sand outide this country only to come
back and find an illegal alien invasion, a country about to collapse under
a load of financial debt, a more than abridged 4thA and both sides of the
aisle and all three branches of our so-called government taking a collective
squat on the Constitution I took an oath to defend.

Agree. Bush out-Clinton'd Clinton. All he has to do now is to find a way to buy off the Teamsters and the Longshoremen.

If you think you are going to stop the Juggernaut, forget it. Too much momentum. The demographic trends now at play in these United States are clear enough, and the momentum will get an adrenaline rush when the fabled "bi-partisan majority," who represent everything but We the People, push through their illegal alien amnesty bill later this year.

No, the only way to deal with the Juggernaut is to jump off and protect the nation-within-the-nation that is still viable. Thinking that you are going to convince a majority of today's Americans, much less the future ones glued to the boob tube, that liberty matters and that guns preserve that liberty, is a fool's errand.

Sorry to sound cynical, I'm a pragmatist. We need to save what we can save while we still can.

 

[Monkeyleg]

Thin Black Line, I was only talking about anti-gun bills. Nothing else.

 

[QuestionEverything]

The Brady Bunch probably supported certain Republicans. But those Republicans are not going to be the co-chairs of committees like the House Judiciary.

Each party is beholden to its base, and my guess is that the anti-gunners have kept quiet while helping Pelosi and Co., and are now demanding their payback.

Yoking the Second Amendment to the Republican party has probably done more damage to RKBA than the Brady Bunch have. I mean, their movement is an empty shell. They don't have millions of dollars to give in campaign contributions and they don't have sway over tons of voters. IIRC The Brady campaign consists of Sarah Brady, that former mayor guy who writes for them, and like a handful of office staff. The only people who attend their rallies now are reporters. They don't have any leverage with which to threaten House Dems if they don't oppose the RKBA.

A specifically Democratic gun lobby may be the best answer to the problem, because it may make some Democrats feel beholden to gun owners instead of abandoning their party to the antis.

 

[Thin Black Line]

Thin Black Line, I was only talking about anti-gun bills. Nothing else.

Gotta stay focused on the big picture and not just some of the brush strokes.

 

[nobody_special]

A specifically Democratic gun lobby may be the best answer to the problem, because it may make some Democrats feel beholden to gun owners instead of abandoning their party to the antis.

That's actually... a really good idea.