The do all Spice called the 30-06
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JustsayMo
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BBDartCA: Powder fouling is about it. I've not noticed any difficulty chambering subsequent rounds regardless of type nor have I experienced any accuracy degradation.
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I'm not really a fan of the cock on close though, I would think the Mauser is better, more widely used thoughout history and on custom guns.
we are not amused
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ROFLOL!
Best alternative round yet posted! Where can I get one? I have seen 4 gage guns, and 8ga., even a 2ga., but not a 5ga.
While I prefer the 30-40 Krag for deer or even elk at reasonable ranges, there is no doubt that the the 30-06 is a superior cartridge. It has superior ballistics to the 8x57 Mauser, more velocity and delivered ft-lbs of energy for given bullet weight.
As for the 45-70 being superior for bear? The ballistics don't look good. I assume we are talking rifle ammo, not handgun. While the 45 is a big heavy round, it is very slow, and the delivered ft-lbs of energy are low. I have no doubt it would do a number on a big brown bear, but a 30-06 would do an even better one. I know, I know, with the right "custom" load, it will do anything, it is the most awesome round alive, much like the 8x57 crowd.
I don't mean to put down the 45-70, or the 8x57, but a more flexible or effective round than the 30-06, would be hard to find. It is quite capable of taking out any North or South American game, and most African game as well.
While it may not be the most effective squirrel gun imaginable, if I had to have one rifle, it would be a 30-06, hands down.
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....if you want to go old school and make an 06 a squirrel gun, just bark them with it! LOL
For reference, old timers in the south used to use big bore muzzleloaders (.45 and up) for squirrel hunting (most folks only had 1 rifle in the house, so it was used for everything) by aiming at, and hitting, the bark on the tree next to the squirrel. Bark fragments from the impact of those big old pumpkin balls knocked the squirrel off the tree, stunning or killing him. Then the hunter just walked up and finished the job with a rock or his boot. My great-grandpa used to tell lots of hunting stories to us when I was a wee lad and I would venture to say if it hadn't been for cataracts in his old age he would have still hunted that way! He was something else.
For reference, old timers in the south used to use big bore muzzleloaders (.45 and up) for squirrel hunting (most folks only had 1 rifle in the house, so it was used for everything) by aiming at, and hitting, the bark on the tree next to the squirrel. Bark fragments from the impact of those big old pumpkin balls knocked the squirrel off the tree, stunning or killing him. Then the hunter just walked up and finished the job with a rock or his boot. My great-grandpa used to tell lots of hunting stories to us when I was a wee lad and I would venture to say if it hadn't been for cataracts in his old age he would have still hunted that way! He was something else.
Chris-bob
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I'd be willing to wager the .30-30 has taken more game hands down than the .30-06.
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An 80-grain pistol bullet and a whole bunch of 3031 gets up around 4,000 ft/sec. Does horrible things to close-range jackrabbits. "Component parts" is a reasonable description.
Do not get lucky on a buzzard which is flying directly overhead, however, unless you either have an umbrella or can run REALLY fast!
Do not get lucky on a buzzard which is flying directly overhead, however, unless you either have an umbrella or can run REALLY fast!
BigN
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The 30-06 is over rated. There are so many other guns as powerful and more accurate, alot less kick, and cheaper to shoot. I never understood the fascination with that caliber. I guess that's just me.
You find me a round that's more powerful, more accurate, less recoil AND is cheaper to shoot first off...Then find it for me anywhere in the world, at any Walmart or small gun shop. Then lets see some stats to compare with. I don't think it can be done....
Skylerbone
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I never knew there were so many "accurate" and "inaccurate" calibers out there. Guess I'll have to scratch .308 off my list...
harrygrey382
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Can I just pull up 'we are not amused''s comment? 30-06 being better for brown bears? I'e never shot a bear with either, but I think everybody with experience of those two rounds and bears will agree the 45-70 is more suitable - trajectory aside. Muzzle energy is only part of the picture, it doesn't take into account momentum. A stocked up 220gr load from a 30-06 is pretty good stuff, but it wouldn't have quite the stopping power of a stiff 450gr 45-70 load.
Also, to set the record straight on the 8x57 vx 30-06, according to Quickload - when both cartridges are loaded to the same pressure with suitable powders the muzzle velocity of same weight bullets in each is practically identical. So I would say muzzle energy is equal, which leaves the debate down to sectional density vs frontal area
Also, to set the record straight on the 8x57 vx 30-06, according to Quickload - when both cartridges are loaded to the same pressure with suitable powders the muzzle velocity of same weight bullets in each is practically identical. So I would say muzzle energy is equal, which leaves the debate down to sectional density vs frontal area
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I didn't know the .06 had somany haters.
While I wouldn't hunt Coastal Grizzlies or Kodiak grizzlies with less than a .338mag, I know it can be and has been done. Besides, I have an 06, and could justify (to the wifie) bying a new rifle.
Where is the 30.06 so "expensive" to shoot?
I didn't know the .06 had somany haters.
While I wouldn't hunt Coastal Grizzlies or Kodiak grizzlies with less than a .338mag, I know it can be and has been done. Besides, I have an 06, and could justify (to the wifie) bying a new rifle
. Where is the 30.06 so "expensive" to shoot?
aka108
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7mm Mauser, 8mm Mauser, 303 British and 30-06. I don't really think there is a whole lot of difference between on and the other. All very fine old cartridges that will do pretty much whatever they are called upon to do. A lot of newer stuff has come and gone but these old girls just stick around.
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