i was looking for a possible present for my graduation from my long 4 years of college and i though what better present then a GUN!. i was looking at the fn five seven for various reasons but mainly due to the ammunition it used and the amazingly low weight. has anyone had any hands on experience with this weapon. i heard rumors they wear out pretty fast due to the mostly all polymer frame. does anyone own one. would someone recommend this as a reliable gun or should i get something else?
the FN Five-Seven
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Roccobro
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Oddly, the price of 5.7 ammo hasn't changed for the last 2 years. At first it was overpriced at $0.50 a round, now it is on par with some .45ACP and .223 plinking ammo.
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usp9
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The gun itself is well made, of high quality, accurate, has low recoil and is a blast to shoot. The ammo is everywhere and as Roccobro said, the price has been remarkably stable (as opposed to almost all others). It is a unique gun in several ways. My only complaint is the that the trigger isn't real "crisp".
Some indoor ranges do not allow the 5.7 to be used.
Congratulations on your graduation.
Some indoor ranges do not allow the 5.7 to be used.
Congratulations on your graduation.
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There's a reason for that, IMO. Back last year there were a bunch of threads here and other places about how ridiculously overpriced most people felt the gun was. $900 or thereabouts if I recall. That seems kinda steep to me for tupperware.
Congrats on getting through college! Is this a first gun? If so, I'd suggest you spend some time renting a whole slew of different guns at a range until you find what you really like. Have you shot a Five Seven yet? I'd definitely want to before I plunked down cash for one. It's a niche caliber and kind of an odd one at that. Probably not such a good idea for a first gun.
If you already have plenty of other guns then it might be the right toy for you so don't let me discourage you if that's the case. Those who have them seem very enthusiastic (at least they did last year when the subject came up frequently). Still it seems to me to be a lot of money for something I'm not sure what I'd do with. But that might be because I don't necessarily think that if 15 rounds in a gun is good, then 20 is better.
If you get it, of course, you've obligated yourself to eventually getting a PS-90 SBR stamped.
http://www.trosusa.com/PS90/ps90sbr.htm
http://www.trosusa.com/PS90/ps90sbr.htm
Ash
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Demand for ammo is not as high as it is for other types of ammo. 45ACP has gone up because demand went up. 5.7mm has not gone up because demand has not gone up. But it is no better built than a Glock or SIG but costs twice as much, due mostly to its novelty.
Speaking as someone who owns one and shoots one, I can tell you that the gun is very accurate, sweet handling (light with little recoil, but not boring) and that ammo can be had close to $21 a box of 50, and seems to be about the only ammo that you see anywhere these days with any regularity.
Plenty of folks have opinions about this gun, but I'd listen first and foremost to the pros and cons from those who have actually shot one. Picking up a gun in a shop or passing along the same old stuff read in forums is a poor alternative to opinions offered by folks with actual hands-on experience, be it positive or negative. This is an unusual gun and you owe it to yourself to get opinions from people who actually know what they are talking about based on actual experience. Observations like "I picked one up once and it seemed like a toy" are fairly worthless. Also, as this is a major expenditure (it was for me, at least) I would strongly recommend shooting one first, if possible.
There are plenty of Cliff Clavins out there, but you need opinions from those who know firsthand.
Plenty of folks have opinions about this gun, but I'd listen first and foremost to the pros and cons from those who have actually shot one. Picking up a gun in a shop or passing along the same old stuff read in forums is a poor alternative to opinions offered by folks with actual hands-on experience, be it positive or negative. This is an unusual gun and you owe it to yourself to get opinions from people who actually know what they are talking about based on actual experience. Observations like "I picked one up once and it seemed like a toy" are fairly worthless. Also, as this is a major expenditure (it was for me, at least) I would strongly recommend shooting one first, if possible.
There are plenty of Cliff Clavins out there, but you need opinions from those who know firsthand.
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cerberus65
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There's much to be said for hands-on experience. Just be careful of the bias that sometimes creeps into the opinions of those who have paid a lot for something.
I doubt I'll ever get first hand experience with a Five Seven because it looks overpriced to me. If I had that kind of green laying around begging to be spent I would get a 1911 for sure. There's _my_ bias for ya.
There's much to be said for hands-on experience. Just be careful of the bias that sometimes creeps into the opinions of those who have paid a lot for something.
And, be careful of those who find something to be overpriced who have no experience with it
I say that not to be contrary but to point out the other side of cerebrus65's comment, which was a good one. On the other hand, I do know folks who have bought the FiveSeven and have not liked it and have sold it, so those who keep theirs may have some bias, but also may well know what they like. Accurately detecting bias is best left to mind readers.
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you can buy yourself a nice Kimber .45 for the price of an FN 57, i am tellin you they are junk the barrels burn up quick and its very hard to find the ammo for it and it cost as much as a .50 AE ammo for a box of the blue tip 57. forget the 57 and bvuy a decent .45 .
you wont be disappointed cuz you have a better chance of finding .45 ball ammo then you will find 57 ammo
or buy an 9mm - ammo is starting to get plentiful for 9mm now...i think cuz too many gun owners think the 9mm isnt enough of gun they are all switching over to the big bore .45acp
you wont be disappointed cuz you have a better chance of finding .45 ball ammo then you will find 57 ammo
or buy an 9mm - ammo is starting to get plentiful for 9mm now...i think cuz too many gun owners think the 9mm isnt enough of gun they are all switching over to the big bore .45acp
usp9
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cerberus65,
Thanks for doing the manly thing and admiting the above.
The price is a legitimate concern. It is an expensive pistol... but so are many, many others. That said, there is a fairly robust Used market, as not everyone finds the pistol to their liking. Some pretty good deals can be found if you look around.
Again, for the record...ammo is very easy to find. Every shop and gun show I've been to has it. As low as $18 a box just a few weeks ago.
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You have absolutly no clue as to what your talking about.
There's 2 hand guns, 1 PS90 and 1 AR with the 5.7 upper in my family.
I just bought 2K of ammo for less than 18.00 a box of 50 and its all over the place.
They are a blast to shoot. Guns are reliable.
Not everybody has to justify a gun purchase.
Ash
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The ammo is very easy to fine because nobody is buying the ammo. Demand is low. There was a time when 41AE was easy to find, too. The pistol is needlessly expensive and priced high not because of demand or cost of materials. It was initially not even supposed to be sold to the public at all (and the most effective ammo for it is not even legal to own).
In the end, it is another Desert Eagle. Insanely popular in pulp fiction and video games. It may have more utility than the DE, but I have the need for neither. Were comments about platforms allowed only by those who paid for them, denying talk by those who reviewed the evidence and made a choice to not buy, then there would be little conversation going on at all.
In any case, those who like them are free to like them. Get over the fact that not everyone is enamored.
In the end, it is another Desert Eagle. Insanely popular in pulp fiction and video games. It may have more utility than the DE, but I have the need for neither. Were comments about platforms allowed only by those who paid for them, denying talk by those who reviewed the evidence and made a choice to not buy, then there would be little conversation going on at all.
In any case, those who like them are free to like them. Get over the fact that not everyone is enamored.
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Don't know if I agree with that. The PS90's are selling like mad around here.
I agree that the Five Seven probably isn't selling well but the little carbines are quite popular and now the AR uppers are starting to catch on.
I think that since FN controls production of the ammo they have a good feeling of how many firearms they sell vs how much ammo they need to make sure hits the market.
They likely order ammo well in advance so the shortages haven't really impacted them yet.
They simply have a very good view into the supply chain.
Yes, but opinions by those who have not reviewed evidence, especially such strongly stated opinions, which are often often based upon inaccuracies, does little to advance the OP's knolwedge upon which to base a decision to purchase, and may well do him a great disservice.
Doctor: I see no need here for a bypass.
Patient: Thank you doctor, it's a great comfort knowing that this opinion is coming from such a great cardiologist.
Doctor: I'm a proctologist.
Patient: Oh.
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Ash
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Supply chain?
Dude, everyone is producing like mad right now and prices are up. With only one producer, regardless of their knowledge of supply, there would be no way they could keep up with demand if it were high. Prices reflect, as always, the supply versus demand. Demand drives prices up if supply cannot match.
Dude, everyone is producing like mad right now and prices are up. With only one producer, regardless of their knowledge of supply, there would be no way they could keep up with demand if it were high. Prices reflect, as always, the supply versus demand. Demand drives prices up if supply cannot match.
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Certainly not junk
The barrel is guaranteed for 20,000 rounds. What I like about mine:
1. It is very accurate.
2. Of all the pistols I have, it stays the cleanest after being shot, and is the easiset to take down and clean.
3. It's a blast to shoot.
The barrel is guaranteed for 20,000 rounds. What I like about mine:
1. It is very accurate.
2. Of all the pistols I have, it stays the cleanest after being shot, and is the easiset to take down and clean.
3. It's a blast to shoot.
Incorrect. Sales is restricted, but civilian ownership is legal. And while it is very, very expensive, it isn't all that hard to obtain. There are currently five auctions for SS190 ammo on GunBroker, and nine on AuctionArms.
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I like mine. It is very accurate, fun to shoot, easy to maintain. In my area, I can go into any local gunshop or my local Cabela's and find stacks of ammo for sale at the same price as the .45 fmj ammo that is on backorder. I am not going to argue about if it is a good self defense gun because that it is not what I bought it for, but anybody that says it is junk or that it burns out barrels or that you can't find ammo for it, or that the ammo is too expensive just doesn't know what they are talking about.
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As nonseven mentioned, the barrels are rated for 20K rounds. Mine has about 800 rounds through it without any issues. The guns is light and has low recoil. Ammo is pricey but manageable and good deals are out there. 30-rds magazines are also available.
Most people who call these junk have no experience with one. They are unconventional and occupy its own market segment. Buy one if you like the concept.
Most people who call these junk have no experience with one. They are unconventional and occupy its own market segment. Buy one if you like the concept.
Ash
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Okay, then getting the ammo to make the pistol equal its advertising is very, very, expensive. In other words, it is either as cheap to fire, after paying 50% more for the pistol, but inferior, or it is equal at a very, very high price, to other calibers.
The numbers just don't add up to anything more than a novelty just like the Desert Eagle.
The numbers just don't add up to anything more than a novelty just like the Desert Eagle.
I have said it before in another post about the Five Seven months ago and I will say it again. The gun is accurate and the round is effective. I have killed two hogs with it. One in the ear at thirty yards and the more recent one in the eye at about 25-30 yards. Both shots left some pretty nasty exit wounds with the Hornady V-Max 40gr blue tip ammo. I feel very confident in the gun and caliber mainly due to the accuracy and controlability.
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