The future climate for guns?

[RP88]

I'm seriously in the dark here.

You have bullet serialization bills, a possible AWB, a gun-grabber president, and the Heller decision coming up.

You have inflation of the US dollar through the roof, and nobody is doing anything to stop it or balance it out. The FedRes keeps making notes that are essentially unbacked; it's like the only thing giving the dollar its value is the printing ink nowadays.

Prices on raw resources are jumping and will continue to do so for possibly another 10-30 years until the Chinese stabilize and stop buying up so much stuff. oil won't go below 3.00dpg ever again, and nobody seems to want to change to ethanol or something of the like until prices hit the 10-dollar mark. Price of living in general sucks, and is going to make people live at home forever at the rate things are going.

The war is pushing us into a recession because of the massive spending. Ammo is going up because raw resources keep drying up and the USgvt keeps outbidding commercial companies.

I've heard optimistic and grim thoughts and opinions (like the ones above) on what will happen to guns in the midst of this. So, all tin-foil aside, what is looking on the realm of the realistic and probable at this time for the future? More laws? More money? How long will it last, assuming it'll end? Are the glory days of low-cost living and low-cost hobbying down the crapper? Seriously, please give me some background here. I want to gather as much fact and opinion as possible here.

 

[MountainPeak]

McCain, Obama, or Clinton....Things are looking very bleak in my opinion. Let's hope the congress has enough pro-gun folks, fom both parties, to stave off any anti-Bill of Rights legislation promoted by the 3 previously mentioned "choices" for President.

 

[fatguynlittlecoat]

The inevitable is a hard truth to swallow.

 

[m38shooter]

The FedRes keeps making notes that are essentially unbacked; it's like the only thing giving the dollar its value is the printing ink nowadays.

Every dollar printed by any government is backed by the amount of gold in that country's treasury. Our dollar is weak because we currently owe more money to other countries than we ever have. Nobody wants to hear about the great and powerful tool of globalization being responsible though.

The gun situation is cloudy. No one knows what will happen in the future (I recall a lot of doom and gloom from a lot of people when AWB I came up for renewal, and it ended much differently.) Remember these words: Hope for the best, expect the worst. If there's something you're really that worried about being available in the future, get it. If there's another ban you've got it, if not you can put the cash in tomorrow-tomorrowland into ammo for it.

 

[Antipasta]

Unfortunately, it isn't backed by gold.

http://money.howstuffworks.com/currency7.htm

One of the long-standing myths about modern currency is that it is backed by the U.S. gold supply in Fort Knox. That is, you can trade your greenback dollars to the U.S. government for the equivalent amount of gold bullion at any time.

At one point, this was true of most paper currencies in the world. However, the U.S. took away the government backing of the dollar with an actual gold supply (known as leaving the gold standard) in 1971, and every major international currency has followed suit.

The obvious question is, "Without gold, what does guarantee the value of our money?" The answer is: nothing at all.

The only reason a dollar, or a franc, or a Euro has any value is because we have a stable system in which people are known to accept these pieces of paper in return for something valuable. Or, as Nobel Prize-winning economist Milton Friedman puts it, "the pieces of green paper have value because everybody thinks they have value."

 

[bumm]

The future is always hard to predict. Obviously, the next president will be no friend of shooters, and congress is no better. Together, they could do real harm, even if we vote 'em out afterwards.
On the other hand, more of the general public seems to be open to gun rights than any time in the last 40 years, and most politicians are afraid to even TALK about guns. We now have a good 40 years of failed real world modern gun legislation to discuss in our debates with antis, instead of just opinions, slogans, and "thought experiments." Even a mildly favorable Heller decision, (which we will probably get, hopefully,) would put us in a better position to argue against anti-gun legislation than we've been for quite some time.
However, the future's not ours to see.
Marty

 

[ilbob]

The future is hard to predict. It was pretty bleak during the Carter years, but that led to the Reagan years.

Then we had the mixed bleak and not-so-bad years of the Clintons. Then more mixed with W.

Sometimes I am convinced the best thing that can happen is if the politicians just fight each other, leaving them little time to screw with us citizens.

 

[Mauserguy]

My guess is that the Heller case will cause many anti-self-defense laws to be revised, mostly in our favor, but the economic situation will decline.

Unfortunately, the history of economic cycles indicates that the government will try to rescue the economy and cause long term harm. Many classical economists have concluded that the government excacerbated the stock market crash of 1929, leading to the Great Depression. Certainly the economic inneficiencies and market distortions caused by government intervention lead to lower lifestyles. At any rate, expect to be poorer in the future.

Also, being from California, I can attest to the danger of bullet serialization. Expect the price of ammunition to quadruple in the next couple of years.
Mauserguy

 

[22-rimfire]

I don't like any of the three primary candidates from a 2A perspective. They were some of my last choices at the begining of the primary season. The future looks a bit bleak as far as I'm concerned from a gun perspective. That doesn't mean you just give these guys a blank check. Things have to go through Congress first. Grid lock sounds good to me no matter who wins.

 

[rmarcustrucker]

3 choices and none are great. McCain is the lesser of 3 evils.
Fuel prices are partially up because eco-fuels are driving up grain prices for meats, cheese, milk, fuel costs are past along to get produce to market.
Lowed interest rates devalue our dollar and cause foreign companies to raise our prices so they continue to make the profits they do. Oil companies are raking in 10 Billion! a quarter. Our worst enemies in Oil are helping to restrict our supplies. Our economy is stagnating. (not recession, yet. A recession is 6 months of recessed growth.) But if the media keeps up the "it's a recession! talk, we might have a self fulfilling prof icy.) Of course, when a republican is in office It helps them if the economy tanks, then they have a reason to get elected. I'm not supporting the republicans, they spend like drunken sailors.
OK, sorry, off target. yes we are in trouble. Have been for the last 60 years. Lots of politicians are reading the play book right out of Nazi Germany.
Support your NRA. Let's face it, doesn't look like they are going to be working themselves out of a job. (you cure cancer and cancer doctors have to do something else.)
Just remember to breath and hold onto your guns......Oh, and If any (D) wins the white house and more of congress, get ready for another ammo ban. Remember the last one?

 

[searcher451]

This is a question that you can worry and think and stew about for days and weeks at a time, to no avail. Let's wait for the Supremes to decide Heller. There's every indication that things will go well. Once that takes place, one side will look to retrench, while the other side will continue to push things forward. But it's vital to keep in mind that the world of politicians and bureaucrats does not revolve around 2nd Amendment issues to the exclusion of everything else -- hard as that may be to believe on this board. Those folks listen to the squeaky wheel. The new administration that inherits the White House, regardless of its political stripes, will have its hands full with some major challenges that most Americans are concerned with far more than they are with the right of the people to keep and bear arms. One of them is the economy and the right of the people to keep their houses and to afford to drive to and from work each day. One of them is the ongoing war in the Middle East and an acceptable exit strategy that will at least maintain a status quo in that part of the world (note, by the way, that the two go hand in hand). In fact, if you take a look at the issues that concern most Americans day after day, in poll after poll, no where on the list will you find a thorough airing of the 2nd Amendment. The Supremes are already airing that laundry. And again, it's likely to go well for our side.

 

[Starship1st]

Good idea, we need to wait for the Supreme Court decesion on Heller and then discuss what we need to do?

If need be, we need to be prepared to write our Congress and Senators if there is progress in favor of the anti gun liberals.

We need to stick together.

 

[Big45]

I'm just hope it all goes down while I'm still alive. I don't want to die not knowing how it ends.

 

[feedthehogs]

change to ethanol

I really wish people would actualy read up on this farmer welfare program and just what a horrible energy source this is instead of buying all the lies.

Every dollar printed by any government is backed by the amount of gold in that country's treasury

Now that's funny.

 

[sm]

Guns will survive.

The USA simply has too many guns in the possession of private gun owners, and nobody really knows how many there are.

This actually scares the government of not only the USA also other countries.

Anti gun folks will not admit is, still the freedom they have is based on the freedom acquired through the use of guns, and if matters get that bad, these same folks will "want" those with guns to flex muscle to preserve freedom and the lifestyle they are accustomed to living.

Sure there will be some "checking out the dance floor" and some bluffs tossed out to save face and give some impressions of being in control...
Still guns will survive as the real fear is finding out just how damn many there are and folks that believe in COTUS and BoR.

WE The People...
Gov't works for us, and deep down the government knows this whether they want to admit it or not.

 

[Nate C.]

Fuel will top $5 a gallon this year--I'll bet money on it. Unless something changes with the fuel situation, at some point the economy will grind to a halt or people will just flat out mutiny. People started clamoring about 'recession' when the overinflated real estate industry toppled, but fuel costs will potentially have a much larger impact. Fuel prices affect EVERYTHING in our economy.

I fully agree with a previous post that corn-derived ethanol is not the answer. First, it is inefficient as a fuel source. There are far better alternatives: sugar cane, switch grass. Second: we shouldn't be diverting a food source into a fuel source. That creates a double-whammy. Third: the fed is subsidizing ethanol production at something like 51 cents a gallon. That's absurd. Start taxing the hell out of the record profits of the petrochem producers and subsidizing truly efficient alternative fuel production.

As for 2AD matters, I am cautiously optimistic about Heller. I don't expect much of anything out of the next Presidential administration, regardless of party. I think the Dems recognize from previous mistakes that the 2AD is a potential third rail that they should cautiously step over.

I think the next administration is going to have its hands full with other issues, as well: resolving Iraq, rehabbing the economy, thwarting terrorists.

 

[bluetopper]

I try and not take my guns outside when the climate is too bad, especially in the rain.

 

[wideym]

The battle over gun rights will be never ending.

If the SCOTUS rules in favor of Heller, we cannot just sit back cheering "We won, take that antis!", because the antis will just try another route. Their idea of sensible gun regulation is no civilian ownership at all and every law they can pass brings them one step closer to that goal.

Even a SCOTUS ruling can be overruled at a later date by new SC Justices.

 

[jeff-10]

Then we had the mixed bleak and not-so-bad years of the Clintons. Then more mixed with W

We had the MOST bleak years under Clinton. The most anti-constitutional gun ban in the history of this country was passed under his administration. Thankfully under GWB we have seen the demise of that gun ban and many favorable rulings towards gun ownership. Mccain winning is probably our best bet to keep the foes of gun ownership at bay although he is so erratic there is no telling.

 

[Catherine]

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change to ethanol
I really wish people would actualy read up on this farmer welfare program and just what a horrible energy source this is instead of buying all the lies.

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Every dollar printed by any government is backed by the amount of gold in that country's treasury
Now that's funny.

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Dear Feed the Hogs,

Thank you!

Sincerely,

Catherine

 

[Catherine]

You gals and guys might want to think about those other pro liberty rights along with your pro gun rights when it comes to the future of guns.

They all tie into together.

Pro Gun = Pro Liberty = ALL liberty issues.

Do I think that we are in for a real mess to put it politely? Yes! I think that we had that with Billy Boy and Reno! UGH.

I think that we have it now with the NWO Rs and NWO Ds who are nothing but globalists and Constitution shredders... the anti gun - anti freedom control freaks come in ALL flavors and sides. Just because some of them hide under a political party INITIAL = R does not make them what that PARTY once stood for by putting this Republic FIRST, her Citizens and/or LEGAL immigrants not illegal aliens.

There are many Rinos out there who have a record as bad if not worse than some other political parties. Just because you put lipstick on a pig, doesn't make it something else... it is still a PIG.

The top 3 candidates are anti gun, anti freedom and ANTI putting AMERICA FIRST no matter what some of you may 'think'. Of course, you have the right to think and believe in along with voting for those LESSER of the EVILS.

Thoughts of mine:

They hate guns. They LIE to you about 'hunting' guns all of a sudden and the FACT is this... the SECOND - RKBA issue has NOTHING to do about 'hunting'! They hate freedom too.

The third man may like some SOME guns but he has some mighty odd ideas to me along with his past VOTING record. His potential VP has flip flopped a lot too. Sigh. He does NOT secure this Republic by putting AMERICA FIRST along with his crazy ideas on giving criminals AMNESTY like the other Rinos and Dems along with the companies that HIRE those criminals = illegal aliens. So they go on about 'fighting them over there' when they don't even guard OUR OWN borders, shores and skies in ALL directions not just the southern ones! Geesh. He can call himself a conservative but most REAL conservatives and Constitution lovers know that he is another FRAUD just like his VP who has flip flopped as much as the other ones on both sides in past elections. UGH. Do I thank him for his past service to this country? YES. Tons more there and some thoughts but it will be OFF topic and NOT allowed HERE.

They (DEMS and REPS) including Bush and his cabal said that if the AWBan was wanted and brought to him... he would sign it. He did not say, "I absolutely REFUSE to sign this ANTI GUN and ANTI LIBERTY bill or law just because it was brought to me!" If he had the testicular fortitude to do that... cool but he did NOT. It was not brought to him by Congress. WHO knows about the next crowd? VERY bad! It will NOT only be SOME guns. Very bad indeed!

There have been many other issues where your freedoms/rights and NOT only gun rights have been flushed down the toilet of no return by new laws, new bills, new rules, new regulations, an ever expanding FEDERAL government, same deal with your state and local goobmint, more hired help at taxpayer EXPENSE with the alphabet agencies, new mergers with those agencies and even brand new made UP agencies. Tons more there but it makes me want to vomit just thinking about it all. MORE Treasury deals with the FED too. OTHER issues but it is not allowed on this gun board. IMPORTANT issues for this Republic!

Open up your eyes folks... you have met the enemy and it is us or some of us because these 'winners' (LOL) are now your candidates. UGH. Same old - same old.

There are many other issues but it is NOT allowed on this forum.

GUN RIGHTS in ALL states and in the District of Criminals are for ALL people. NOT just the chosen few who tell YOU that THEIR LIFE is more important than YOUR LIFE or your loved ones! It is not complicated!

Pretty pathetic in my NOT so humble opinion... the candidates, the anti gun mentality, the anti freedom mentality, the globalist views in anti gun issues, etc.

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/c/clairewolf197713.html

They, all 3 of them, will put their fingers UP in the air to see what way the political winds blow along with the latest sheeple thoughts. Back and forth... same old - same old.

Respectfully yours,

Catherine

 

[Catherine]

Those ammunition laws and bills~~~

THE proposed and already in effect (Some areas.) ammunition laws and bills are VERY anti gun - anti liberty.

It will make some hand loading and reloading a NO NO in some states and in other counties.

It will make your ammunition good or bad according to the powers that be!

WILL YOUR friendly LE person or any other higher UP ignore you using x, y or z ammunition? Even if they say they are PRO GUN and bunch of other hoopla? Will they have to abide by those draconian NEW #%@ LAWS because that is their JOB not counting your folks at the D.A.'s office or the BATF folks?

ALL of those other proposed and on the books ammunition laws are really quite BAD when you read them. Read them folks.

B/P and other ammunition... what spit balls?

We sure as H did not win the Revolution and our liberty from a KING using spit balls!!!

ANTI this and anti that. Why the blazes can't they just leave good people ALONE?

That would be wayyyyy too simple and it would cut out a LOT of goobmint jobs that have fine bennies, retirement, wages and Golden Parachutes for their next REVOLVING DOOR JOB - another goobmint job or with a LOBBYIST... perhaps another job in a globalist - anti gun country too!

As I used to say:

You have Dems and Reps who come under this title:

Gotta maka anoder law types because it is good for the people because we know what is best for them.

Takes a village... my aching butt.

Eewwwww.

Respectfully yours,

Catherine

 

[FourNineFoxtrot]

In the short term, I really don't know. It could be bad, even very bad. It could also be not-so-bad. Too early to tell, too many variables.

In the long term, I have to assume that the future of gun rights beyond the current generation is going to be bleak. I base this on a number of factors, which I will attempt to list in the logical order.

1. World population continues to increase, particularly in "Third World" countries.
2. Both in developing countries and developed countries, urbanization (or sub-urbanization) continues to rise.
3. The world will continue on an inexorable path toward urbanization.
3a. (Not definite, but probable) The world continues on a path toward larger, more powerful, centralized governments.
4. Urbanization (and strong central governments) is/are inherently antithetical to gun ownership, for a number of reasons.
5. Barring either a technological leap allowing the settlement of other planets, or a Malthusian Crisis depleting the population of this planet, there will eventually be a rate of urbanization that is effectively near-total, and/or the development of a government(s) whose powers are near-total.
6. The eventual near-total depletion of "open land" as anything but farms or government-run parks, and the concurrent urbanization, will erode the "gun culture", the heart of which has always lain in rural areas.
7. Urbanization, government, and the erosion of gun-culture will lead to an eventual elimination of the concept of civilian "gun rights".

That's my admittedly rather depressing forecast for the generations to come.

 

[jrfoxx]

Personally, I much less worried about what the future holds for guns, than I am for ammo.Schemes to ban, limit quantity, and/or drive the price of ammo up (like it needs any extra help with the cost of fuel and metals already pushing it WAY up) seem to be the new tactic of the antis. And, as I said, even if the anti's drop their ammo schemes (or they simply fail in the courts/legislatures), the price of guns seems to not be going up at a faster rate than usual, whereas ammo just keeps jumping month after month.Unless something fairly dramitc happens with ammo, its going to get ridiculously expensive to shoot very much very often, or even buy a decent stockpile (if you dont have one already for whatever reason), all on its own.Thats what worries me the most, and in fact, worries me even more than the anti's attempts to mess with ammo.We can can do things to help stop them, but there is nothing we can do about the price spiraling out of control due to fuel costs, metal costs, inflation etc.Thats essentially out of our hands and uncontrollable.Scary.

 

[mekender]

The war is pushing us into a recession because of the massive spending

funny, spending still accounts for less than 10% of the yearly budget... so far, there have been few if any mass lay offs... the "housing problem" accounts for something like 2% of the market nationwide...

stop listening to the news media, they have been in a panic about a recession for almost a year... why you ask?... how else are they going to convince you that one of 2 democratic senators with no real record of doing anything and almost no experience is the right person to "save" the economy