The ''intimidation'' factor?

[P95Carry]

Good response here and thx. Remember tho .. if you read my opening post. ''Partly 'tongue in cheek' '' ..... so I do not place great emphasis on this .... mainly seeing what others think.

Let's just say that ... despite the many comments saying words to effect of .... ''blowing holes in BG's'' .. OK, if things have gotten bad enough then only way to go perhaps.

I do think tho there can (must) be situations where in all seriousness ..... ''intimidation'' might just save the day .. depends on BG of course and how much or little time you have. But let's remember that from choice .... no shots fired has to be better option .... far fewer legal ramifications. Plus, even ''brandishing'' ain't gonna be much prob if a threat already there and obvious.

As always .. circumstances alter events ... but let's think of the ''behind door'' situation ..... if you can't I/D the individual ... then surely the last thing you wanna do is just blast a big hole thru door and them?! The sound of a weapon can or might just provide an ''assertiveness'' factor to make someone realize all is not what they may have thought! Could be wise of course to make that intimidatory sound whilst sidestepping away from door - in case ''other party'' about to ventilate door .... from their side!!

As 7.62 said too ... and re the CT grips deal we discussed ... there is even a place for visual in that respect. In the end tho who knows .... until it all goes down. I know I'd rather succeed thru ''intimidation'' if t'were possible, than have had to ventilate a BG, perhaps in circumstances that could be later seen as ''iffy''.

 

[TallPine]

As always .. circumstances alter events ... but let's think of the ''behind door'' situation ..... if you can't I/D the individual ...

Well, then don't open the door if you are in any doubt.

And if the someone on the other side starts breaking down the door ... well, let's just say there is some advantage to rounds that "over-penetrate"

 

[P95Carry]

Well, then don't open the door if you are in any doubt.

I wasn't actually considering - or recommending opening it! I was tho thinkin that if playing safe then good perhaps to not be on ''door center'' .... just in case a shot came thru from other side!!

This is a situation where a small vid cam giving a view of door threshold could be well useful. I have this on my office building doors .. but not house.

 

[Edward429451]

and re the CT grips deal we discussed ... there is even a place for visual in that respect.

I had an officer point a lasered MP5 at me before...I seen his 'red flashlight' but didn't start checking myself for a dot. My reaction at the time was anger and I yelled at him for it, felt (knew) I was in the right and all. I wasn't intimidated in the least, just angered. Probably stupid on my part but the reaction was the reaction even under stress as it were.

One incident does not decide one way or the other across the board. I doubt if a BG would even notice. I think all that hype about laser intimidation is just that, hype. Thats not saying they are not useful. After dark walks against dogs or perps may just give you an edge in rapid shot placement.

Using mine, I've found that it takes quite a bit of familiarity and practice to get in the groove of distance close/far will give you higher or lower points of impact. practice with it alot at unknown distances, have someone move the targets around for you while you're back is turned.

 

[Cooter Brown]

I'm in with those of the Byron Quick philosophy, above stated by him. The first rule of those wishing to survive close combat (knife or handgun fighting): the BG's are cut and bleeding-out or shot before they know you even have a weapon. The Goverenment taught us to kill and "survive" in the service, not to "fight". "Fighting" is for Hollywood, ignorant tree huggers, and the soon to be deceased. IMHO.

 

[BHPshooter]

CLACK ON, CLACK OFF.... THE CLACKER®!

ROTFL!!!

Actually, you could make a "clacker" that would fit into the hollow butt of the Glock. Just an idea, though.

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I have been to many gunshops that try to sell shotguns by saying that "all you will need to do is pump the action. They'll recognize the sound and you won't have to shoot anybody."

Personally, I think the "racking the action" is overrated. Yeah, it could be useful, but IMO it should be loaded anyhow. And on top of that, if an unauthorized someone is in my house, I don't care about scaring them off. As far as I'm concerned, they're an imminent threat and must be dealt with.

Just my opinion, though.

Wes

 

[Hazwaste]

It's not my duty or desire to play Gomer Pyle's "citizen's arrest". If the situation is bad enough to draw my sidearm, then it's bad enough to shoot. Why give the baddie the benefit of identifying your location, or the advanced warning of incoming lead?

 

[JShirley]

Yup.

I don't want to scare anybody. I just want to be safe, and protect my family and friends.

If no-one's in danger, no shots fired.

If we're in danger, no free clues given to attackers.

John

 

[Sean Smith]

If we're in danger, no free clues given to attackers.

Bingo.

 

[seeker_two]

How do I intimidate a criminal in my home?

I shoot his partner standing next to him...

Amazing how many "volunteer" to be the intimidated one...

 

[twoblink]

Considering one of the reports I read saying that a global survey... the racking of a shotgun was the most recognized sound.. second was a baby crying..

Unless of course you are hollyweird, and then, glocks make a "click click" sound of (I guess self-cocking??) whenever someone walks in front of the camera with one...

I have a bottom eject shotgun (!!!!) and if you want intimidation; I eject one out the bottom towards them, and tell them, "next one's comin' out the barrel"... Learned that from a guy at the gun store.. Said it worked like a charm, and for some reason, he asked the criminal to dial 911 and report a burglery in progress and imagine that, the criminal OBEYED!!

the prospect of a #00 Buck @ 3 feet range will make ya wet your pants... I'd wet mine if someone pointed one at me with extreme prejudice...

 

[MJRW]

I think the mindset of being able to intimidate someone with a gun is counter productive and irresponsible for someone with a CCW. If you draw your gun expecting to get out of it by intimidation alone or at all rely upon, you may well not be prepared to actually fire if need be and therefore you shouldn't have drawn or possibly carried in the first place.

 

[P95Carry]

Most ''anti intimidation'' posts do have validity - but I have to say ... it could be that some reading those would think we are a bit ''shoot first - ask questions after'' minded. Imagine anti's reading that .... they might see little more than trigger-happy dude's, not prepared to be sure about their potential adversary's threat level.

Not saying that to try and start a pi$$ing contest ..... just trying to get a balance ........ after all we are surely all NOT looking to find someone to shoot ... knowing the legal ramifications etc ..... I think we surely want to avoid trouble and stay safe?

If a situation is ........ let's say ..... ''borderline'' from an assessment POV .. then surely intimidation has some value even if small ....... before going into throwing the lead. Not always for sure but ..... not all situations are the same.

Imagine ..... a neighbor ... someone you know perhaps .. has had a drink too many - and he has locked himself out of house. He comes to your front door, quite late .... and makes a lotta ruccus bangin on door. You challenge but get no immediate reply ..... you then rack the shottie .... and voice says ''hey - it's only me .... and then I'D's himself. Would THAT be a good case for discharge of said shottie thru the door at early stage??

Just trying to get a broad perspective here.

 

[JShirley]

No response to verbal challenge? Call 911. The flip side is, if it's not the neighbor, they now know your armament. Anyone suggesting firing at an un-id target that is not in the process of actually breaching your door is reckless and will probably be subject to legal action.

And those believing in "intimidation factor" could also be seen as posturing immatures, thinking waving some icon will resolve the issue. The thing is, I have nothing to prove. I'm not eager to show how I can control anybody, and I have no obligation to do so. If my life is in danger, why would I take the extra time to warn someone to drop their weapon? Those are extra seconds for me to take lethal injury. If you are in a position that would enable lethal force, and you want to see if Mr. Bad Guy will play nice and drop his weapon, great. I'm just not that tough.

Force continuum as told us in the Army (for armed guard duty at gate):

Shout (verbal compliance)
Shove (physical force)
Show (in practice, charging weapon)
Shoot

Now, this is in an uniformed situation, where it is known that you are armed (kinda hard to conceal that M4 on overwatch). We were advised that we could go to any point on the scale, depending on the situation. As a citizen carrying concealed, we should be avoiding most of the continuum. It is not our responsibility to protect an Army base, just to get our family home in one piece.

John

 

[JohnKSa]

TX is a no brandishing state. I can't pull out my pistol unless I can legally shoot.

So shooting as soon as you clear leather isn't being triggerhappy 'round these parts--it's complying with the law.

 

[Byron Quick]

My neighbour can make all the ruckus he pleases...at my door...while remaining on that side of my door...with my door intact. The moment that my door can no longer hang with his drunken ways...and he comes through my door's remains...I'll be complying with Georgia law. Probably going to need a new neighbour.