rangerruck
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just think, if we would have gone with the 6mm lee navy , way back in the early 1900s.
I've never been in combat, but I've been a hunter. Hunters I know won't use the .223 on anythng larger than a coyote. Some states outlaw it for deer. Seems to me a good round for our soldiers should at least take a deer cleanly...The M16 is a great platform, but 5.56mm is (and always has been, in my opinion) an inadequate cartridge. If I was going back into the fray tomorrow, I'd want 7.62 at a minimum.
For those not familiar, The Stoner weapon System was invented by Eugene Stoner, the guy who made the AR15/M16 rifles. He invisioned a complete weapon system that would allows carbines, rifles and machine guns to be based around a parts group. The weapons could be used as standard magazine fed, upside down (like a Bren) magazine fed, or even BELT fed. They had different barrels, stocks, etc and could be configurered into various weapon systems depending on the mission requirements. Because of politics, the weapon was never adopted for regular use by any branch of service, but found favor with the Navy Seals in Vietnam.
I agree with your comments on the Hague Convention, no way out of that idiotic accord though.
=Cosmoline said:While allegedly not designed to expand on impact it has a pretty good chance of doing just that.
what about hat skar or scar rifles that was supposed to replace the m-16?
Sorry, but that's one of my "pet peeves."it reaches 140 degrees in the Sunni Triangle durring the summer by the way.
Most of the people hit by .223/5.56 in DC Sniper attacks would probably disagree with the round only being a "wounder"
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it reaches 140 degrees in the Sunni Triangle durring the summer by the way.
Sorry, but that's one of my "pet peeves."
I'd like to see several of the 5.56 uppers replaced by the 6.8mm it's a practical way to put more stopping power on a good platform. It wouldn't be viable for the entire Armed Services, but give them to the Grunts and Engineers.
The original 55 grain bullet moving out of a 1-14 twist barrel was very unstable and had dramatic effects on flesh. These were the guns the advisors in Vietnam prior to the" Gulf of Tonkin " had. The accuracy however was not acceptable to the military and so we went to a 1-12 twist. The effect was less dramatic on flesh.
The 1980s brought the M16 A2 with a 1-9 twist and a more stable heavier bullet at 62 grains. Now it really was a wounder......worse now we over stablize the round at 1-7 twist with bullets between a weight of 62 and 77 grains