The M1 Garand Is An Overpriced Piece Of Junk

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DUDE !!! It's not that hard. The first time I was exposed to the aperture and post sighting system I was apprehensive about it, but after some basic instruction and a bit of practice I was hitting 3"clays off of the 100 yard berm, several times in a row. Keep practicing and get that loose peep fixed and you'll see improvement in no time . :cool:
 
Bart,

Guys, we have a relatively new member here with 55 posts asking how to aim a rifle with a peep sight because they have not used one before.
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I'm sorry, but he is not asking how to aim a rifle. Go back and review his posts. He is saying that the rifle is junk because he has no clue how to use it. He is also being obnoxious.

If he had used a different tone, even saying basically the same things, he would have been treated much differently. As it is, I wouldn't bother answering any of his questions.
 
Junk Garand?

I'd say there's about a million Axis and North Korean soldiers that would
argue that point...if they were alive at the moment. Most Garands
do need a little nudge on the op-rod to load the top round...unless they're
worn out.

You also might wanna learn the correct procedure for obtaining a battlesight zero with that Garand...It'll mean a world of difference in whether it shoots where it's lookin'....and if you do your part out to about a quarter-mile, that rifle will have anybody that gets caught in its sights in a world of stinky excrement. Would you like a demonstration?

Cheers!

Tuner
 
I started Highpower Service Rifle competition...

...with a surplus M1 from Blue Sky imports. It was a piece of junk and priced accordingly. The rifling was nearly gone the last few inches of the barrel and I could hardly hold all my shots on paper.
I bought another from the DCM and it shoots better than I can. When I was taught to use the sights we were told to use a six o'clock hold( target bull sitting on top of the post) then center the bull in the rear apeture.
 
I've been shootin' long guns since say 1971, not that long.
Didn't get an M1 till last year, have 3 now, CMP.
My first time out with the first M1, I did get on paper fine at 100yds, then my 20 yr old nephew (had been shooting twice before, bolt guns & pistols) tried it out, and he was in the black 5 out of 8 shots, first enbloc!
I think it's something with the "youth" factor! ;)
I'm just not as steady, and everything is a blurr to me at 100yds!:eek:
 
"Obsolete, my ass!!"
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Powderman,
An absolutely perfect summation. Thanks for an excellent post! Best I've read in some time. Now I KNOW going shooting this weekend. Thanks!

Joel
 
I love peep sights. I'm slowly converting all my guns to peeps. FAR MORE ACCURATE.

Here, let me teach you how.

1) Take your Garand, and hold it at the ready.
2) Look ABOVE the rear sights, and focus your eyes on the front sight. Got it? Good.
3) Now, without taking your eyes off your front sight (which is perfectly focused), move your face around, until your eyes are still perfectly focused on the front sight, but now, you are seeing it through the rear sight.
4) Don't look at the rear sight, the rear sight should be a fuzzy gray ring. The Parallax curvature of objects when viewed as a close byline of another object (Sometimes referred to as the "Einstein Effect" because light is slightly bent at the edges of the rear sight due reflection (or lack thereof), and Einstein, using this theory, said it it worked for light we can see, maybe it works for gravity we can't see, and thus his explaination of gravitational fields as a mass punctuation against the fabric of space.. but I digress)
5) The fuzzy ring will feel uncomfortable, DON'T FOCUS YOUR EYES ON IT. Keep it focused on the front sight. You will move your gun ever so slighly until the fuzzy ring feels "evenly spaced out".

You are not perfectly aimed.


as for Garand Thumb.. I'm left handed... pretend you are left handed, and load a Garand.. you will know what a Garand thumb is :banghead: :what:
 
One more thing

Also, you have to keep your face in the same location for each shot. This is called a "cheek weld." I do it like this: my right hand is my firing hand. With my right hand on the grip in the firing position, my right cheek touches the bottom joint of my thumb (the joint that connects my thumb to my hand). If you move your head to a different location for each shot, this can change your point of impact.

This position will cause a bit of recoil to hit your cheek, but it's not bad at all. If my method is too close for you, you can put your face on the stock a little farther back. Basically, be comfortable, and maintain the same position for each shot.
 
Spot Weld

This position will cause a bit of recoil to hit your cheek, but it's not bad at all. If my method is too close for you, you can put your face on the stock a little farther back.

Put a piece of tape on the stock. Thumb goes on top of the tape. Cheek
against thumb. Move thumb slightly forward to prevent Garand Cheek...:cool:

Cheers!

Tuner
 
Cross-Dominant

Rebar said:

Could be that his dominate eye is opposite his handedness, that'd make it hard to use a peep I'd imagine.

Now there ya go...We stumble around lookin' for somethin' complicated and never think about the obvious thing that could be screamin' at us
from right in front of our noses.

Excellent point, Rebar! You rule!


Tuner
 
Excellent suggestion Rebar. I had not thought of that either. One time my wife's friend was watching me shoot an AR-15 and wanted to try it. I gave her a brief familiarization and she tried aiming the rifle. You should have seen the awkward way she was trying to aim it. It took me a couple of minutes to realize she was trying to use her dominant eye and it was on the opposite side. Once we realized that, she was able to adjust.
 
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But with this peep-hole $**t, how do you aim? You're peering through a circle at a front post without any kind of reference
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There's a simple solution to your problem -- learn how to shoot!
 
Maybe you have the M1 I used back in 1962. At that time I had no trouble knocking down a target at 500 Yards. We had to do sight pictures and dry fire for about two before live ammo also battle sighted at 25 yards and able to cover a dime with three shots. I guess there must be a lot of junk M1s as they have seen quite a few years of service in quite a few armys.
 
How many time have you been smacked by your riflescope? I suspect that it only has 1/4' eye relief.
 
What's so hard about zeroing and using a Garand?

Set the sight at zero windage, and put 12 clicks on the elevation knob. If you have locking knobs, lock them down.

Look THROUGH the rear sight, and focus your eye on the front sight. The target should appear a fuzzy blur, the rear sight a dim ring. Fire a 3-shot group.

Now it is possible that a gun that has been through a few rebuilds will not shoot to center -- so you might want to try it first at about 25 yards. Once you have a group, adjust the sights. At 25 yards, each click of the adjusting knobs moves the bullet 1/4". If you were zeroing at 100 yards, each click is 1".

When you have it shooting where you want, write your zero down on a small slip of paper and put it in the butt trap for future reference. If you have locking knobs, lock them down.
 
While I am wondering as well if this person is ACTAULLY genuine and not trying just to get a rise out of people, I will (for the moment) ignore his brashness and answer things straight - even though his tone and tennor are abrasive. If nothing else maybe someone else reading this thread may be helped at a later date.

As to how to adjust the rear sight for tension, I invite you to have a look at:
http://www.civilianmarksmanship.com/assemblyhtml/reassemblerearsight3.html

This will show you how to put the silly thing back together and describes the procedure pretty well and with photographs. (In my ever so humble opinion.)
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In fact, someone you have read posts from built that site for the CMP who now owns it and is responsible for it. It is the only M1 Garand resource that I know of online of its kind. You might want to also look at this set of pages which detail field stripping, detail stripping, re-assembly (including lubrication), and nomenclature or part names. It is thoroughly illustrated with hundreds of photographs and thousands of words.

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By the way - Postulating that what many men consider their favorite rifle (if even only from a historical perspective) is a piece of junk because you can not seem to get it to work for YOU is no way to obtain gentle toned help and assistance. The resultant replies with obvious ire expressed in them came from those who would usually be your instructors and is quite reasonable and to be expected when you start a thread in this way.
 
The aperature rear sight of the M1 Garand was so bad that the idiots at Springfield Armory decided to replicate them on the M14. Same for Eugene Stoner with the M16 and the countless number of dummies who added tang sights to a multitude of other rifles.

Seriously, I cannot think of a more elegant and functional sighting system, allowing me shoot Expert everytime that I needed to qualify.
 
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