The myth on not saving when hand loading 9mm ammo.

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I'm doing a lot of "silencer ammo" which the manufacturers charge a premium for, usually around $1 per shot.
Or super hot 9 like buffalo bore and they charge like $1.70 for cast lead and up to $2.50 per shot for jacketed.
I had to look up buffalo bore prices on midway since it's been since like 2016 since I bought BB ammo.
Yeah there's a magtech sale right now, 30 cents a shot, not counting shipping or taxes.
 
If you're going it right, you don't save money you just shoot more for the same money.

When I was shooting allot of USPSA I was saving allot of money given the large volume I was shooting and buying components in. This includes paying off the money invested in hardware like presses and dies.

Now I find myself shooting less but shooting oddball cartridges more so reloading is still saving me some money due to the cost of hard to find ammo.
 
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Assume I can reload for $.20 per round or buy for $.26 per round. If I buy loaded rounds and sell the fired brass for $.02 per round, it costs about $.04 more per round to buy instead of reloading. I'II spend my time elsewhere or reload something else offering greater savings.
 
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I'm doing a lot of "silencer ammo" which the manufacturers charge a premium for, usually around $1 per shot.
Or super hot 9 like buffalo bore and they charge like $1.70 for cast lead and up to $2.50 per shot for jacketed.
I had to look up buffalo bore prices on midway since it's been since like 2016 since I bought BB ammo.
Yeah there's a magtech sale right now, 30 cents a shot, not counting shipping or taxes.

This the big thing for me as well. Im either shooting 147s at 980fps or 124s at 1200fps. General run of the mill loadings from wherever are not what Im looking for and are not inexpensive when you want certain things. The thing is? Even the loads I want and I load are still cheaper than cheap ball ammo.

You can buy once fired 9mm brass for 2-4 cents a pop all day long depending on how much you want. And if you shoot at the right range, you can get all you can pickup for free. Thats how I built my stash of 20000+ 9mm cases, picking them up one at a time for about 5 years. Thankfully I had young kids that liked shooting. The real killer is primer prices right now. 10 cents a pop used to be what I was loading an entire round for 4-5 years ago. Bullets have gone up, but RMR and HiTek coated bullets are still decently cheap and accurate.

Time? Time is what you value it at. I can tell you right now Im not loading pistol ammo on a single stage, guys do it, I simply cannot. I would estimate that just my 9mm reloading alone has paid for my LnL AP (with case and bullet feeder) and Lee APP twice over. We wont even talk about 1000s of rounds of 300 BO subs, MK 262 MOD-1 clones, or M80 ball clones I load every year in that equipment payoff estimation. Im not fully automated, so I still pull the handle for every round, but Im loading at 600 rounds an hour pretty easily on the LnL, and decapping at 1500 or more rounds an hour on the APP. Lets say I value my time at $30 an hour which works out at about 5 cents a round when loading, and 2 cents when decapping, Im only "spending" 7 cents a round on each loaded round.

The math works out like this if you include once fired brass and time at $30 an hour:
7 cents for labor
3 cents for case
8 cents for bullet
10 cents for primer
4 cents for powder

32 cents a round for either a 147 sub or a fast 124 that you might be able to buy for double that price if youre lucky. I am probably seeing savings of a minimum of 20 cents a round and 70 on the top end as Im looking at +P 124s, or subsonic 147s.

The point here is that if you want to save money on 9mm? You cant do it on a single stage if you are going to start factoring in time as a value in the cost equation. You probably need to be able to load at least 300, maybe 400 an hour to make it pay. If you start loading 9mm at 600+, you will definitely pay off the equipment needed based on how much you shoot per year.
 
A couple things I rarely see when arguing $$$ for reloading is drive time to the LGS and shipping/Haz-Mat for components purchased on line. I live in a small town and I rarely can find any reloading components closer than 100 miles. Good thing I reload because I like reloading and I have no idea nor do I care if my handloads are $0.03 cheaper or more expensive than factory...
 
I used to care a lot more about savings than I do now. WIth $90+/1000 primers the margin is a lot thinner these days. No matter though because I'd stull prefer to load my own for lots of reasons one of which is its easier to have on hand and load as I want.

-Jeff
 
I can get 9mm range ammo for $10-$12 for a box of 50 rounds. That is out the door including tax. Thats 20-24 cents per round. I haven't seen $30 powder in a long time, it's closer to $50-$60 per pound.

This is 30 cents/round buying from Midway.


The local indoor range sells it for $10/box if you spend $10 for an hour of range time. No limit on ammo. Another gun shop sells it for $12/box OTD. It would cost me more to load for 9mm or 223 than I can buy it.

I handload for my centerfire big game cartridges. I don't do it to save money, but to get more accurate ammo using premium bullets and I can often pick up a bit more speed compared to factory ammo costing about the same.
 
I reload because I can't afford to shoot otherwise. I wouldn't really say I enjoy it to the point I look forward to it, but it does give me a sense of accomplishment after it's done. You're making something real, out of real things, as a result of your labor. Today that's sometimes rare, at least for me.
 
The real killer is primer prices right now. 10 cents a pop used to be what I was loading an entire round for 4-5 years ago.
This is my main problem. I have a few thousand primers left and I'm not sure I can talk myself into buying any more at 10c/ea. I might just have to restrict myself to blackpowder shooting or give it up. I can't abide paying that much for a primer.
 
For me, to make 9mm really motivating to load is having a turrent/progressive press of some sort. Makes it much more effortless to load 50 or 100 up at a time.

I started with a single stage, and although I did alot of reloading that way I didn't enjoy loading 9mm that much. Still sort of don't, but i've been making alot more of it lately.

The biggest factor to eliminate for me is projectile cost; if you can get bullets down to cheap enough or downright free it'll greatly relieve the cost of all the other components. Thats why casting is so nice, but it's also a chore of it's own. Too bad my Lee furnance stopped working.

There are Charlie’s Angels reruns?
I don't know about reruns but at my house we have all the DVD seasons of it. Never watched it though. Maybe put it on on the old laptop while I do my next loading session. Of 9mm, in honor of this thread.
 
myself into buying any more at 10c/ea. I might just have to restrict myself to blackpowder shooting or give it up. I can't abide paying that much for a primer.

I buy a box of primers regularly, most times we go to the sporting store. Whether its primers or some other reloading thing.
I never had the luxury of stocking up on thousands of primers at any point so I've just been hanging unto what I buy. Yes it's expesnive (7 dollars per box of 100) but it gets me what I need. It's the bullet cost I try to lower.
 
For me, to make 9mm really motivating to load is having a turrent/progressive press of some sort. Makes it much more effortless to load 50 or 100 up at a time.

I started with a single stage, and although I did alot of reloading that way I didn't enjoy loading 9mm that much. Still sort of don't, but i've been making alot more of it lately.

The biggest factor to eliminate for me is projectile cost; if you can get bullets down to cheap enough or downright free it'll greatly relieve the cost of all the other components. Thats why casting is so nice, but it's also a chore of it's own. Too bad my Lee furnance stopped working.


I don't know about reruns but at my house we have all the DVD seasons of it. Never watched it though. Maybe put it on on the old laptop while I do my next loading session. Of 9mm, in honor of this thread.
You still have a DVD player?
 
For me, to make 9mm really motivating to load is having a turrent/progressive press of some sort. Makes it much more effortless to load 50 or 100 up at a time.

I started with a single stage, and although I did alot of reloading that way I didn't enjoy loading 9mm that much. Still sort of don't, but i've been making alot more of it lately.

The biggest factor to eliminate for me is projectile cost; if you can get bullets down to cheap enough or downright free it'll greatly relieve the cost of all the other components. Thats why casting is so nice, but it's also a chore of it's own. Too bad my Lee furnance stopped working.


I don't know about reruns but at my house we have all the DVD seasons of it. Never watched it though. Maybe put it on on the old laptop while I do my next loading session. Of 9mm, in honor of this thread.
I dunno. Cheryl Ladd is worth a double charge.
 
I can regularly get locally, no shipping if paying cash new 124gr 9mm for $0.24/round. And if I wanted to I could collect my 9mm brass and sell it for $0.02-0.03/case, thus further reducing my costs to $0.21-0.22/round. I choose to keep my brass because when the time comes I need my SPP, pistol powders and 9mm brass due to shortages I'll be sitting flush; but until then I'll just buy bulk commercial ammo.

I have a hard time justify spending my time reloading 9mm when the price is such and reloading components are still elevated over past. I'll spend my time at the reloading bench loading cartridges that fetch a higher margin commercially, such as 10mm, 223 varmint loads, 450 Bushmaster, 300BLK, 30-06, 308 Win, hunting ammo, specialized subsonic ammo, etc.

And for high volume cartridges like 9mm and 5.56 (m193), it's being used up on steel targets training for my CCW; I'm not looking to get attaboys and satisfaction out of small groups on targets with 9mm and 5.56. Here it's about reps and staying proficient. I'll use my time at the bench on things that reloading that matters when the prices such they are.

And my time is better spent with family than cranking out 9mm for not much gain in cost.
 
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