the new Taurus Curve
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george burns
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It reminds me of a car that Kia and Honda make, it's like a square box with a window that wraps around 1/2 the car. Would be the perfect car to have that as a car gun. Meanwhile it has people talking, Cheech what did you mean about the rifling on the front portion of the barrel?
In a gun that's meant to be shot any distance, I'd be worried about the strange shape of the muzzle causing horrid accuracy or keyholing. But this thing is obviously a gun for across the room type distances, and the close-up pics show a crown. The muzzle seems to almost be kind of a spoon-shaped AK style "compensator."
Still not sure how I feel about it. But I do give them credit for looking at concealment type handguns and thinking "why the hell not?"
Still not sure how I feel about it. But I do give them credit for looking at concealment type handguns and thinking "why the hell not?"
USAF_Vet
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The mags themselves are not curved, they are single stack and straight. They do not contour with the grip. That would be a nightmare and a major failing point for this gun. The grip is contoured around the mag. You can see that the mag base plate is directly in line with the slide, with the grip doing its thing around it.
I'm sure they'll probably introduce a left handed version, maybe once the initial numbers for the right handed sales start coming in. It'll take an entirely different mold; plastic injection molds are expensive, and if they don't think there will be a pay off for it, they won't commission one.
xxjumbojimboxx
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at 5+ inches, make it a 9mm and you've got my attention
i to wish it was a 9mm
but i see where they are going with this
and for those that say its too ugly
holy cow kids its a to "never be seen" gun
do you think the criminal is going to turn around and point and laugh at you while the laser is on his center of mass ?
but i see where they are going with this
and for those that say its too ugly
holy cow kids its a to "never be seen" gun
do you think the criminal is going to turn around and point and laugh at you while the laser is on his center of mass ?
mesinge2
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That is seriously weird looking.
No sights?
No sights?
JoePfeiffer
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If the BG's reaction to seeing it is to laugh so hard they're incapacitated while I call 911 that's fine with me![emoji3]
It intrigues me. If it works - meaning it feeds, ejects, is reasonably accurate, & reliable, I'd be interested & if priced right would be a buyer. It seems it would be a good option for summer when wearing lightweight shorts & shirt, or deep cover backup when carrying in a shoulder holster.
Kudos to Taurus. I thought, & still think, the View is a gimmick. This, not so much.
Kudos to Taurus. I thought, & still think, the View is a gimmick. This, not so much.
Walt Sherrill
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Kevinch said:
Here's the patent drawings (first seen on another forum): http://pdfpiw.uspto.gov/.piw?PageNum=0&docid=08752322&IDKey=52A0714EF0CC%0D%0A&HomeUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fpatft.uspto.gov%2Fnetacgi%2Fnph-Parser%3FSect1%3DPTO1%2526Sect2%3DHITOFF%2526d%3DPALL%2526p%3D1%2526u%3D%25252Fnetahtml%25252FPTO%25252Fsrchnum.htm%2526r%3D1%2526f%3DG%2526l%3D50%2526s1%3D8%2C752%2C322.PN.%2526OS%3DPN%2F8%2C752%2C322%2526RS%3DPN%2F8%2C752%2C322
The slide is pretty-much a standard semi-auto. The mechanical stuff inside the frame is pretty-much standard semi-auto; the frame is just stuck inside an grip assembly that is thicker on one side at the top and bottom than the other side. The magazine, which is straight, has a base that is thicker on one side than the other, thereby continuing the curve created by the grip frame. That "curve" could be turned the other way, with a different slip-on grip assembly and mag base. Having a left-hand version of this gun probably wouldn't be all that big a deal.
Nobody has mentioned it, but the curve of the gun also more-closely fits the curve of the hand holding the gun -- the holding hand isn't really flat when it's relaxed. I suspect it's pretty comfortable in that regard, too.
I see nothing about the design that would me think it won't work. Other thin, single-stack guns could also be modified in the same manner; fact is, I'm not sure why such a design or technique is patentable or why some enterprising entrepreneur doesn't create some slip-on covers that do the same thing.
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"Very thin" compared to what? The Taurus TCP is significantly thinner as are the LCP, P380, P3AT and a few more I haven't mentioned.
I have a TCP that has been 100% and can't see anything in the Curve that would entice me to it over the thinner and much less bulky TCP.
P.S. I just did a little checking and find that my P238 and my G42 are thinner than the the Curve as well.
I think that the Curve is probably thicker than any of the pocket 380 pistols.
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Thicker maybe - but the curved frame would better follow the contour of the body, & it includes a laser & light. I would be impressed if anyone can hang both onto a current sub-compact & it be smaller &/or thinner than the Curve.
Walt Sherrill
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I was talking about the underlying weapon -- inside the grip frame. But it's actually smaller than you realize. More importantly, it is NOT SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER than any of the guns mentioned above. It is heavier -- but that may be a positive. Even though it's heavier, it's still not a HEAVY GUN. (You'd be hard-pressed to wear it on a necklace as I've seen done with the Keltec P32, but it should ride comfortably on its hanger inside your waistband, and it will probably fit in any of the pockets the other guns cited below fit -- the differences are not big.
Please note: I'm not a Taurus Curve advocate -- The smallest gun I'm going to carry is 9mm -- but some folks are making claims here without doing their homework! Here are some comparisons, all based on guns specs available at the makers' web sites. These are shown without a LASER system installed, so that probably accounts for a LITTLE of the weight differences. (I couldn't find good specs for the other guns WITH Lasers installed.) None of the other guns offer a LASER and a LIGHT -- and together, they've got add some weight.
Curve vs. P3AT
It's .105 of inch wider than the P3AT -- .875" vs. .77"
It's .075 of inch shorter (length) than the P3AT -- 5.125" vs 5.2"
It's .25 of inch taller -- 3.75" vs 3.5"
It's barrel is just .05 longer -- 2.75" vs. 2.7"
The Curve IS much heavier -- 14 oz. vs. 8.3 oz.
Curve vs. LCP
It's .055 of inch wider than the LCP -- .875" vs. .82"
It's .035 of inch shorter (length) than the P3AT -- 5.125" vs 5.16
It's .15 of inch taller -- 3.75" vs 3.6"
It's barrel is the same -- 2.75" vs. 2.75"
It's 4.6 oz heavier than the LCP -- 14 oz. vs. 9.4 oz.
CURVE vs. P389
It's .125 of an inch wider than the P380 -- .875" vs .75" or 1/8th of an inch!
It's .225 of an inch longer than the P380 -- 5.125" vs. 4.9"
It's .15 of an inch shorter (height) than the P380 -- 3.75" vs. 3.9"
It's .barrel is .22 of an inch longer than the P380 -- 2.75 vs. 2.53
It is 4 oz heavier than the P380 -- 14 oz. vs. 9.97 oz.
CURVE vs. TCP
It's .005 inches wider than the Taurus TCP -- .875" vs .87"
It's .075 shorter than the TCP -- 5.125" vs. 5.2"
It's the same height as the TCP -- 3.75"
It's barrel is .09 of an inch shorter -- 2.75" vs. 2.84"
It's 3.8 ounces heaver than the TCP -- 14 vs. 10.2
Note: I've since got to the Taurus cite and the width - which is with belt clip installed -- is wider (1.18) but the clip can be removed. (A similar belt clip on the Kel-Tec PF9 and P11 adds roughly 3/8th of an inch to the gun's width -- or .375". This is addressed in a following response. The weight is shown as 10.2 ounces, noticeably lighter than the 14 oz. cited below.
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I understand about the grip curve but the pistol is so thick it would be uncomfortable to pocket carry. The Curve is even thicker than my LC9 and my PM9 which are both too thick for me to pocket carry on a regular basis.
Anyway if it works for you fine, but it's just too thick for me.
Walt Sherrill
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kokapelli said:
Read the specs above. Or go to the different websites and do your own checking.
According to the Ruger website, the LC9 has 3.12" barrel, is 6" long, 4.5" high, and .90" wide. That's a bit bigger than the Taurus Curve based on their released specs. The LC9 also weighs 17.1 oz, while the Curve is 14 oz. No real comparison.
According to the Kahr website, the PM9 has a 3" barrel, is 5.42" long, is 4" high, and .9" wide. The PM9 is also larger than the Taurus Curve. It's the same weight as the Curve.
You may claim it's too big for pocket carry, but that's a subjective call. As for your claim that the gun is thicker (or otherwise larger) than your LC9 and PM9 -- Website specs say you're wrong.
Check the specs in the response #89 above. I did the digging for you. The largest difference between the CURVE and any of the guns mentioned is a 1/4 of an inch, and most measurements are less; in a few cases, it's actually smaller than one or two of the other guns. As noted, it IS heavier -- but that might be a plus, given that it's still only 14 oz -- as it might have less felt recoil. That said, it's still smaller than the PM9 and LC9 (but I wouldn't have compared it to them had you not brought them up.)
You don't have to like the CURVE -- I don't want one, myself -- but the Curve is not as big as you think or claim. And, if you think the figures cited above aren't correct check them yourself. Appearances can be deceiving!
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tou don't have to do,the digging, I already know what the dimensions are.
The Curve is 1.18" thick and the TCP is .87 thick which is a significant difference in a pocket.
The S&W bodyguard is .85" thick, an LCP is .80" thick, the DB380 is .75" thick, the Kahr 380 is .75" thick and moving on to 9mm, the LC9 is 1" and even the Kahr PM45, a 45 cal is a little thinner at 1.12" thick.
I wouldn't knock it until I shot it. My first thought was it may not point well...but as I look at it and my hand more, it may point better.
I would like to test one point shooting at 3, 5 and 7 yards. If it points naturally and gets solid hits, it may be a real winner. I agree it is ugly as sin, but performance can cure a lot of ugly.
Grip angle up or down can be adjusted for with practice, the curve introducing a lateral misalignment would be a problem.
I would like to test one point shooting at 3, 5 and 7 yards. If it points naturally and gets solid hits, it may be a real winner. I agree it is ugly as sin, but performance can cure a lot of ugly.
Grip angle up or down can be adjusted for with practice, the curve introducing a lateral misalignment would be a problem.
Walt Sherrill
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Your measurements disagree with what was cited in the Guns & Ammo article, probably because the Taurus site's dimensions show the optional belt-clip installed. If it includes the belt clip, that addition accounts for the WIDER specs you cite.
Note: Kel-Tec's dlip adds 3/8ths of an inch to the gun's width at the clip's widest point; the Taurus clip seems to be made simillarly, but it might be a bit less wide.
If it's simlar to the Kel-Tec clip that would increase the width of the bare gun from 7/8th of an inch to about 1 2/8ths of an inch, roughly 1.18" (as shown in the Taurus cite specs below.)
Take that optional piece off, and you may get us back to the figure I used in my comparison (based on the G&A spec sheet). Why take it off? Because if you want to pocket carry, you don't want that clip on a gun carried in your pocket! It adds nothing and gets in the way. But, if If you leave it on and use it for IWB carry, it doesn't add to the gun's practical carry width -- as the extra width is on the outside of the waist band.
The weight from the Taurus site is also shown as 10.2 ounces, the same as the TCP. (I see that I neglected to post that spec earlier and have updated that post.)
This is from the Taurus site:
Model: 180CRV
Finish: Matte Blue
Status: Coming Soon
Caliber: .380 ACP
Grips: Polymer with Metallic Subframe
UPC: 7-25327-61150-9
Capacity: 6 +1
Weight: 10.2 oz
Barrel Length: 2.5"
Height: 3.7"
Frame: Small
Width: 1.18"
Action: DAO
Length: 5.2"
Safety: Magazine Disconnect,Loaded Chamber Indicator
Trigger Type: Smooth
Order #: 1-180031L
MSRP: $392.42
Finish: Matte Blue
Status: Coming Soon
Caliber: .380 ACP
Grips: Polymer with Metallic Subframe
UPC: 7-25327-61150-9
Capacity: 6 +1
Weight: 10.2 oz
Barrel Length: 2.5"
Height: 3.7"
Frame: Small
Width: 1.18"
Action: DAO
Length: 5.2"
Safety: Magazine Disconnect,Loaded Chamber Indicator
Trigger Type: Smooth
Order #: 1-180031L
MSRP: $392.42
Put carry clips on your LC9 or PM9 and see what they measure.
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Walt Sherrill
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But you will not be able to shoot Angelina Jolie's character if you're in THAT movie.
Judging from some of their revolver barrels in my store, they probably already had the barrels built. 
I'll give them credit for innovation, but then there's that QC thing. I see way to many come back for service/reliablity issues to trust my life to any of their products.
I have heard rumors that S & W is already planning a copy competitor the Sigma Bent.
I'll give them credit for innovation, but then there's that QC thing. I see way to many come back for service/reliablity issues to trust my life to any of their products.
I have heard rumors that S & W is already planning a copy competitor the Sigma Bent.
If the quality control is as good as it has been for the TCP the Curve should be reliable.Judging from some of their revolver barrels in my store, they probably already had the barrels built.
I'll give them credit for innovation, but then there's that QC thing. I see way to many come back for service/reliablity issues to trust my life to any of their products.
I have heard rumors that S & W is already planning a copy competitor the Sigma Bent.
paramedic70002
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Curvy recoil may take a bit to get used to.
I think they should have completely squared it with a spare mag holder across the bottom, further de-printing the outline. Then they could have named it the "Block." But Gaston might sue.
I think they should have completely squared it with a spare mag holder across the bottom, further de-printing the outline. Then they could have named it the "Block." But Gaston might sue.
ApacheCoTodd
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A bit more of a write up and better photos.
Didn't see this posted yet. Shows the clip-on trigger protector, complete lack of sighting (really appreciating my AMT trench sight now) and several other important perspectives.
Bloggy, yes, but a personal look at least.
http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/taurus-curve-380-pocketpurse-pistol-yes-gun-bent/
Didn't see this posted yet. Shows the clip-on trigger protector, complete lack of sighting (really appreciating my AMT trench sight now) and several other important perspectives.
Bloggy, yes, but a personal look at least.
http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/taurus-curve-380-pocketpurse-pistol-yes-gun-bent/
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