The ol SR9 and winchester white box problem

[Potatohead]

Alrite everyone, i had read alot about this and now i know its true for me also. . My sr9 cant shoot Winch white box fmj. 4 fte out of 12 trigger pulls. 2 of them i really had to wrestle with to get the cartridge out. I know i could easily buy another brand but i have a friend who works at wal mart so i get quite the hook up on the 100 rd wwb fmj, have a few thousand. Im sure i will get another 9 at some point so its not that big a deal but darn, has anyone been able to fix this problem. I thought i saw a thread once that mentioned how someone alleviated this problem. Any help would be appreciated

 

[FitGunner]

I have only put Speer Lawman and Federal JHPs through my SR9c without fail. I will try some WWB and see what happens.

 

[HOOfan_1]

wel...what is the problem? Light primer strikes? If that is the case, I am not sure why you would have to wrestle to get the cartridge out...that sounds more like out of spec ammo

 

[Hilljun]

SR9

I reload and have put 15 or 20 different recipes through mine without fail maybe more. Thousands of rounds altogether even some cheap factor stuff. I can't recall if I have ever shoot wwb though. My safty did break though. I called ruger and they sent me a box To mail them the gun. They fixed it and sent it back to me with a new book and a new lock. It took about two weeks. They even gave me a number so I could call and check on the progress. I know thats not what you wanted but maybe if its not the ammo it will help knowing that ruger will stand behind there product.

 

[Potatohead]

im glad ruger will help if needed. im waiting to hear back from them on this one. its a pretty often mentioned problem, so i know theyve had to of heard about it before, ive seen it on alot of different sites. it fires EVERY other ammo ive tried with zero problems. ----One reason i had to wrestle to get one out could be due to the fact im a newb-first time in my life i encountered it so im not sure i even cleared it right. which brings me to another question....whats the proper way to clear the malfunction i had today: already fired cartridge barely hanging out of barrel and kind of jammed into the next one coming up from the mag

 

[HOOfan_1]

I usually drop the magazine...keep the muzzle in a safe direction and pull back on the slide like this

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/run-your-gun-cover.jpg

that is if I am at the range....in a self defense situation, you will want to do it differently...you can google that, as there are plenty of videos out there.

what you describe is generally called a stove pipe. Failure to eject the previous round. It can be cause by numerous things...limp wristing, weak ammo, stiff recoil spring, bad ejector, bad extractor.

 

[Potatohead]

holy cow hilljun, you were right...i emailed ruger and the wheels are already in motion, i actually havent called them back yet but they sent me an email and are wanting me to ship it back to them to evaluate my firearm, saying the problem could be a few things. Pretty dawg gone good customer service so far!

 

[Potatohead]

thanks for the reply Hoofan. good info

 

[H.m.B]

what you describe is generally called a stove pipe. Failure to eject the previous round. It can be cause by numerous things...limp wristing, weak ammo, stiff recoil spring, bad ejector, bad extractor.

Limp wristing is the problem I (my wife) had with the SR9 ... I could shoot it fine ... no problem. She'd shoot and darn if we weren't getting stove pipes. Range officer came over, gave it a shot ... no problem. She'd take a shot and ... yup ... stove pipe. Think limp wristing was the problem.

 

[TarDevil]

Colonel, I have run a couple of WWB's through my gun w/o issue. Then while in Texas last July, I bought a couple boxes from a Walmart there and experienced the same issue you mention. Turns out the boxes I bought were head stamped "WWC" which is a harder mil spec primer. Since, I just inspect the contents to make sure they aren't WWC and have had no issues.

If you are interested, here's the thread where my issue was discussed.

 

[RBid]

Mine has eaten WWB with no trouble, as well. It slings casings like it's out for a world record.

Ruger CS is famously awesome

 

[Potatohead]

i will check that out right when i get home tar devil

 

[Potatohead]

well i got in touch with ruger and they tell me wwb is "not a preferred" ammo for ruger. i guess i learned to try ammo before i buy 1500 rds the hard way. just couldnt resist 100 rd value paks for 25$ in this climate. she said its a "cheap" ammo...does wwb not work in other brands of pistols? wouldnt wal mart quit stocking it if its that horrible? excuse my southernness here but DADGUM!!!

 

[HOOfan_1]

It is cheap ammo. Yes some other pistols do have trouble with it.

I have no doubt you could sell it for more than you paid for it in this panic however.

Walmart also stocks Federal Champion, which some guns have trouble with.

 

[MR2Aaron]

Is the problem you're having that the spent case doesn't make it all the way out of the chamber, or that it gets jammed sticking out the ejection port?

The latter case is called a stovepipe. It's fairly common, and can be indicative of poor shooting technique. I'd test this by asking someone experienced to shoot the gun with the ammo in question, and see if they have the problem too.

If what you're experiencing is the former case, where the spent case doesn't come all the way out of the chamber, I'd try using a different brand of ammo first, before determining the problem is the gun.

I've not used WWB extensively, and I've never shot it through an SR9 (totally awesome gun, BTW), but my Glock 17 seemed to work reasonably well with it. That was before the panic, though, and it wouldn't surprise me if quality control has taken a back seat to volume recently, as the demand is so strong.

 

[Potatohead]

Not a stovepipe. Its like stuck up in , i guess the barrel. The tail is just hanging out and the next bullet comin outa the mag is pushed up against the tail of the spent one. Tar devil, mine all say WIN luger 9mm (the bullets)

 

[Potatohead]

Man i really hate to get rid of the ammo, though im pretty sure i could nearly double my money. Also hate that ive got a good hookup all for not. Guess i could get a 9 that can shoot wwb

 

[ku4hx]

Before you do anything, try several brands of ammunition. And make sure your stance is good and your grip is what it should be. You don't want your knuckles to turn white or to cut off the blood flow in your arms, but all you might need to do is simply tighten things up.

We own an SR9, SR9c and SR40. This past weekend we put a couple of hundred rounds through each without a hitch and we've done that several times to date. I roll my own so I know my stuff is top drawer, but some guns can be finicky when it comes to ammunition.

 

[Potatohead]

Im almost certain it was not wrist action. I was benched and sandbaggin it, trying to adjust the rear sight elevation

 

[Potatohead]

Man i really have to get to know how to do my own. Sounds fun. It eats all other ammo (tried about 10 different ones) and i think ive gotten one stovepipe outside of wwb and that was the first time out of the box. I askd the customer service rep if she'd heard this one before and she said oh yea. I sent another email, we'll see what happens but its lookin like sell the ammo or buy another pistol (aint gettin rid of the sr9 tho-me likey)

 

[ku4hx]

Resting the the gun, or hand, on a sandbag will sometimes "encourage" you to relax your grip. After all, the bag is supplying support the hands now don't need to. I've instructed many shooters in the last 30+ years and improper grip and stance follow just behind trigger control in the areas most often needing to be improved.

 

[Potatohead]

Pretty good point ku. Although in this particular situation im pretty sure it was the ammo. Not sayin im above screwin up thats for sure tho

 

[ku4hx]

Man i really have to get to know how to do my own. Sounds fun. It eats all other ammo (tried about 10 different ones)

It's not so much fun as it is satisfying to make your own ammunition. But to do it right takes a sizable expenditure in equipment and components, requires rigid adherence to safety rules and also takes a lot of study, research and work. It's not like making a microwave dinner. I also cast my own boolits and that's an investment all its own.

As to the other ammo .... that's a clue.

 

[Potatohead]

I caught myself relaxing a few time while on the bag. It did jam while standing too (the first magazine i was standing i believe)

 

[HOOfan_1]

Not a stovepipe. Its like stuck up in , i guess the barrel. The tail is just hanging out and the next bullet comin outa the mag is pushed up against the tail of the spent one. Tar devil, mine all say WIN luger 9mm (the bullets)

In that case, it is a failure to extract...something I would certainly contact Ruger about