the ''only'' guns you actually need....

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Need for what? Basic survival during an economic collapse...or killin' wave after wave of zombies as they come through the wire?

I need a transportation on occasion. A pickup truck will do. Be nice to have a Ferrari in case I need to burn up the interstate at 150 mph...or to escape the zombies after I run outta ammo...

Basic survival, you'll have need of a good .22 rifle and a shotgun more often than an M16.
A good sidearm for those up to your cajones in crocodiles possibilities. That pretty much covers it.

My idea of a minimal arsenal...

A Model 94 lever action carbine in .30-30 caliber.
A double 12 gauge shotgun...cylinder bore..with a variety of shot sizes.
Of course, one of my 1911 pistols.
A Henry lever action .22 rifle.
My 4 and 5/8ths .41 Magnum Blackhawk is optional, but would be missed it it weren't along for the ride.
A strong fixed-blade knife.
 
A pump gun wouldn't be my first choice as a do-all shotgun, I like the SXS

Why? You'd take a two shot SXS over a 6+ shot pump? And don't even begin to talk about "reliability issues". My Mossy 500 is well over 20 years old and has NEVER had any issues. In fact, I just detail stripped it fully after about 10 years and everything still looks new inside. :cool:
 
What does 'need' have to do with it?

What about a nice semi-automatic 30 cal? Or a trap door Springfield to get in touch with history. Or speaking of history a nice BP revolver? And, of course, what if you have your 'deer' rifle and come across a Mauser rifle factory chambered for 45-70 in mint condition and reasonably priced? Or for that matter one of true rara avi of the market- a Luger handgun chambered for 45 ACP? That would be needed if only for bragging rights. Then there are the smoothbore 22 rimfire rifles designed for birdshot? Excellent for pest control.

Every time I hear that tired old 'guns you actually need' I'm reminded of my reply to an old lady in Virginia that commented I shouldn't let David buy more than he 'needed.' I' played the old Cheryl Crow song- "If it makes you happy, it can't be that bad." Thread drift? No. The only guns you 'actually' need are the ones that owning give you a satisfaction in having.
 
Start by defining the requirements.

Do you plan to camp in black bear country? Need to impress clients at trap and/or skeet? Is concealed carry a requirement? Upland birds? Antelope hunting? Service rifle competition at Camp Perry? Do you need to worry about pirates in a salt water environment?

Figure all that out, and then you can answer the question.
 
To be honest... in my 50+ years I have never "needed" a gun. I've never needed to hunt. I've never needed to defend myself or others with lethal force. I've never needed to maintain law and order / fight for my freedom.

I do believe it's my responsibility to be reasonably prepared to do any or all of the above. The minimalist in me demands that I do so with as few weapons as possible, with as reliable a weapon(s) as possible, and with weapons that use as readily available and effective ammunition as is possible.

Can one gun fill all three roles effectively? A lever gun? A shotgun? An AR / AK-type weapon? A single shot .22? A pistol / revolver? Arguably, each one could to some degree. It all boils down to how much you want to compromise vs. how complicated you want things to be.

In my case (a non-hunter, living in a city, in this day and age), I think a reliable 9mm pistol, and practice is all I will probably ever "need". And I hope I never "need" that.
 
Why? You'd take a two shot SXS over a 6+ shot pump? And don't even begin to talk about "reliability issues". My Mossy 500 is well over 20 years old and has NEVER had any issues. In fact, I just detail stripped it fully after about 10 years and everything still looks new inside. :cool:
It's not that I find fault with a pump it's just not my favorite (to carry) field gun.

I don't buy into the notion that my shotgun has to be a high-cap cylinder bored HD shotgun only.

For me it's more about versatility and hunting is my number use for this gun.

Load it with buckshot it can also defend the homestead or be used for deer or bear, am I handicapped with only two shots? I don't think so at least I've not felt I was in the last thirty years since I switched to a double.

At this stage of my life I can afford more than one gun so I like the concept of multiple tools I just don't see the need for more than a few guns.
 
A good handgun is a "nice want", LaVere? Yeah, because it's so easy to carry that shotgun around all day, right? Guess you never have to worry about concealment issues, either.

I'm still of the thought that a shotgun is best for me and what ever my needs may be. It may not be for you or others. I can't predict where or why you need any particular type of gun. Living in NYC a hand gun might be the best for you. A handgun in Montana as my only gun I would not think so. Arn't we all glad we can choose what's best for our own need and wants. Or have a different gun for each need and want.
 
all i can say ? to this thread ? i agree with all of you.

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I've been looking over all these lists and have a question: Nowhere did I find anyone advocating a bolt-action rifle (other than for hunting) or a single-action handgun, like a Colt Single Action Army or similar, so why is everybody and their dog hung up on a pump shotgun? That crowd-pleasing "ka-chunk" as you rack the slide is nice, but you have to make that noise every time you want to shoot. And what if the BG brought a friend? Or it's dark and you'd rather not give your position away?

I personally like both the Wingmaster 870 and the Mossberg 500; they are fine weapons. But, at the risk of being branded a heretic, if I buy a shotgun for serious social purposes, it's going to be an 1100 or a FN SLP. I'm not a LEO or a soldier with more guys on my side; when the chips are down, it's just going to be me and I want to have all the shots I can get, as quickly as I can get them. That's just my opinion; YMMV.

Another heresy is that I don't want an AR-15 or an AK-47 or any of their clones. I have a Beretta CX4 carbine in 9mm. It's accurate and lethal enough for all the ranges I am likely to encounter out here in suburbia and it's nice and compact. IMHO, at 100 yards, I'm not defending my home; I'm sniping. So I got the Beretta to go with my FNP-9. I can almost invariably find decently priced ammunition, so practice is affordable. I realize I should get the Beretta PX4 Storm so I could share magazines and ammunition between my rifle and handgun, but the FNP-9 was here first and I like it.

Personally, I would say a handgun of some sort would be one of the "only" guns you actually need. Why? There is no other type of firearm that can be as readily accessible for instant use. You can carry a handgun on your person all day and it won't interfere with your activities. Even if your employer does allow workers to carry, there are going to be comments about you traipsing down the hall with your riot gun on the way to the copy center. Grocery shopping is going to be a real adventure when you're trying to figure out the best way to keep your AK-47 accessible in the shopping cart (on the other hand, it might make those idiots who cut into the express lane with a week's worth of groceries think twice). Even at home, you can watch TV, do your "honeydews" and still be chief of the home protection department, ready to greet unwanted intruders and Jehovah's Witnesses.:D

Having established that, here's heresy #3: Wouldn't recommend a Glock, a Kimber or any M19111 to anyone as a "must-have." Wouldn't recommend any other autoloader, either. IMHO, a "must-have" is a revolver chambered for .357 Magnum/.38 Special, preferably a Smith & Wesson or a Ruger. Easy to use, no safeties, no jams, sufficient for self-protection at any range that would qualify as "self-defense." Since S&W discontinued the Model 65, possibly the best self-defense revolver ever made, a Smith & Wesson Model 627 with a 4-inch barrel would be the optimum choice; it will handle just about any load you can fit in the case and is heavy enough to dampen recoil, plus it holds 8 rounds. A Model 686 would be good, too, as would a Ruger GP-100. If concealed carry needs to be added to the equation, I would recommend the S&W Model 60-15 with the 3-inch barrel or the Ruger SP-101 with the 3-inch barrel.

So I guess my list of "the 'only' guns you actually need" looks like this:

12 gauge shotgun with various barrels and loads (hunting and home defense)
.357 Magnum revolver
.22 rifle or handgun for small game, varmints, training, practice, etc.

Of course, like most of us, I am somewhat beyond the guns I actually need.

I was impressed by CoRoMo's list on the first page of this thread; I hope he and his wife never have a serious domestic dispute! :D
 
I think a defense rifle is probably somewhere on the bottom of my list. A 22 or 30-30 would be near the top though.
 
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If we are talking about home defense, I think it's safe to say that most home owners do not have the experience with firearms that most who post to this forum. So we need to keep it simple and be certain the individual responsible for using such weapons at least has a limit amount of experience firing them.

My choices, taking the above as well as expense into consideration.

1. Quality (used is OK) 12 ga. auto loading shotgun. Ammunition 2 3/4" 1 1/2 oz #4 shot.
2. Quality .357 magnum revolver (used is again OK) A .22 semi-automatic pistol with large capacity magazine could be substituted should the .357 be a bit much to handle and shoot accurately, but would rather have it added than used as a substitute. A 9mm semiautomatic pistol would also make for a less powerful substitute for the .357, but be prepared to spend several hundred dollars for a quality reliable 9mm.

If you would prefer to own only one weapon, go with 12 ga. shotgun, hands down.

If used weapons are purchased, have a reliable gunsmith take a look a them for any possible defects that could cause a weapon not to fire if needed.

F. Prefect
 
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Um, ... Shotguns are great for sporting and getting turkeys. But, what I really, really, REALLY, need is a Wilson Professional CBQ.:neener:
 
You could "survive" with only one gun. It could range from a .22 rifle to a 12 gauge shotgun. A pistol might be the ultimate "urban" survival gun. If I had to "head for the hills" with only one, give me the shotty!
 
If I could only have one...and I think that was the intent of the question. I can do just about anything I would ever HAVE to with a .22lr Would I want to? No, but could I? that is without a doubt.
 
Guess I'm the odd man out. I feel no need for a self loading rifle for any purpose, or a shotgun for any purpose. I could get by on a minimalist pile of an early Winchester 1894 carbine, a scoped bolt 30-06, a good .22 rifle like a Marlin 39 or an older quality scoped bolt .22, a Smith K-22, a 4" 29, a 4 5/8" Ruger SA in 45 Colt or 44 mag, and maybe a Smith 19 for a lightweight carry pistol. I'd as likley add a Smith 4" 24 as the 19 tho. If I added anything beyond that, I'd start adding a couple more Winchesters before anything else, perhaps a 71, and an 1886 and another 94 or two. Those would cover all the bases.
 
MINIMUM needs??

1. HD Shotgun; 12g, 18" w/ 7 rnd mag

2. Full sized HD nightstand handgun w/ Tac Light; .40sw or .45acp

3. Lever .30-30 for hard truck / ranch use

4. Mid-sized carry gun (G27 / 23 / 19 or similar)

5. Full sized carry gun (1911, G17 or similar)

6. compact carry gun (J frame smith, LCP)

7. SHTF AK / AR; SKS w/ plenty of ammo & extra mags

8. Short to mid range deer rifle / brush gun; 20" Bolt .270 or similar

9. Long range deer rifle / larger game; 7 mag / 300 mag or similar

10. Dedicated pump waterfowl shotgun; 3.5" magnum 30" 12

11. Dedicated dove / skeet shotgun; heavy 28" gas auto; 1100 or similar

12. Dedicated upland shotgun / 26" light auto; Montefeltro or SxS?

13. Hyper accurate .22 auto w/ decent optics

14. Plinking .22 rifle; no scope

15. Plinking .22 auto pistol

16. Target .22 pistol; EER scope optional, but prefered

17. MUST have at least 1 hand cannon; .44 blackhawk / redhawk or similar

So there it is. I do not see how I could possibly live with less; Of course, I do live with less due to the boating accident.
 
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