The plastic, no-account M-16 rabbit shooter that our Army warriors have painfully. .

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Maybe this time we'll get it right

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Posted: March 30, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern


© 2004 David H. Hackworth


The plastic, no-account M-16 rabbit shooter that our Army warriors have painfully packed since early in the Vietnam War might at long last be on its way out.

I can only say "good riddance" to a bad rifle that's been outmatched by the Soviet AK-47 since Ho Chi Minh became Enemy No. 1. I condemned it in my first after-action report while I was with the 1/101st Airborne in Vietnam in 1965, but – in spite of many such complaints across the decades from trigger-pullers wading through the world's killing fields – that lousy sucker has remained in service longer than any other rifle in U.S. history. A shameful testimony to the power of generations of military-industrial-congressional-complex porkers.

The M-16 and its popgun cousin, the M-4 carbine, have neither the range nor the bang. Nor is their tiny 5.56 mm slug much of a grunt morale multiplier. Ask the Rangers who fought in Somalia how many insurgents they drilled – and drilled again – who just kept coming.

The hot contender currently being tested by the Army to replace these lemons is the XM-8, a revolutionary smart-weapon being put through its paces by professionals who, so far, give it two thumbs up. It's a different kind of rifle, lighter and less expensive, yet it offers additional features and performance not available in any other assault rifle in the world.

For instance, the XM-8 is a flexible system easily converted into a carbine, and there's a sharpshooter version for increased range, an automatic-rifle version for more squad firepower and the ultracompact carbine variant for close-in fighting or use by armored-vehicle crewmen.

Whiz-bang options include an easily attachable single-shot 40 mm grenade launcher with side-opening breech and a lightweight 12-gauge shotgun module. Either system can be quickly added to the XM-8 in the field without the need for special tools.

Think of it as a 2005 Mercedes replacing a 1970s Ford Pinto. But that's only if we're talking an XM-8 with an upgraded 6.8 mm slug that can put an enemy down and keep him there. That's what is needed to give our soldiers confidence in their primary fighting weapon.

The best serving master gunner I know says about the 6.8 mm upgrade that Special Forces is presently reviewing, "If we are going to go through the cost of providing a Mercedes like the XM-8, we should be prepared to put Pirelli tires on it." He asks, "You wouldn't want to have a Mercedes but run it on low-octane gas, so why have a Mercedes-quality rifle and run it on 5.56?"

Should the XM-8 get greenlighted, Germany's Heckler & Koch plans to build a factory to produce it in Columbus, Ga. Unlike so many companies exporting jobs overseas these days, H&K touts this as its "Buy American" project.

If everything clicks, the new weapon could start getting into our grunts' hands as early as 2005 – and at last our soldiers will have a rifle that's GI-proof. For starters, it's not a jammer. Carbon doesn't build up inside the receiver group, which greatly reduces the need for cleaning. It also has a battery-powered sight right out of James Bond's inventory that includes a red-dot infrared-laser illuminator and a close-combat optic system with a backup etched reticle that's factory-zeroed. And last, but far from least, it shoots faster then the Terminator – it can fire more than 15,000 rounds without lubrication or cleaning, and tests show that it works as smoothly as a sewing machine in desert environments, which should make the troops in Iraq and Afghanistan a whole lot happier.

These days there's a lot of flag-waving going down about supporting the troops. But the best way to take care of our grunts is by making sure they can outgun their opponents. And no way is that happening when we allow greedy or uncaring pork contractors, no-time-in-the-trenches engineers and folks in Congress and at the highest level of our armed forces to stick them with a worthless, Mattel-like excuse for a rifle.

With the upgraded XM-8, our warriors will finally have a weapon that will do as good a job punching holes in enemy soldiers in the 21st century as the M-1 and Browning Automatic Rifles did in the 20th.
 
I thought the project had been canceled? Sounds good, though! Gee, wonder if CMP will be offering semi-only M16s soon.....yeah, right!:(
 
This is actually kind of funny. The atricle starts with calling the M-16 a rabbit shooter and then describing how innefective it was in Somalia then talks about the XM8 is the perfect weapon for our troops. HELLO..... they use the same caliber.
 
Uh, replacing a plastic, no-account rabbit shooter with another plastic, no-account rabbit shooter is a great leap forward how, exactly?

Hackworth gets more and more disjointed as he meanders towards senescence. :scrutiny:
 
Think of it as a 2005 Mercedes replacing a 1970s Ford Pinto. But that's only if we're talking an XM-8 with an upgraded 6.8 mm slug that can put an enemy down and keep him there.

Folks, he's talking about the XM-8 IF made in 6.8mm.

And yes, there was an M-8 that was cancelled. That was the M-8 Buford light tank. Although I hear rumors that it's being brought back.

The military, for the sake of maximum confusion, somtimes gives the same designation to different pieces on equipment. Thus, the M16 is not only a rifle, it's also a mine.

What I can't figure out...is Hackworth channelling Ogre, or is Ogre channelling Hackworth?
 
feh... talk about purple prose. Sounds more like an internet commando than a serious writer. I mean, I'm sure the XM-8's a decent rifle and all, and I'll even buy that it's got some decent advantages over the AR platform, but "Think of it as a 2005 Mercedes replacing a 1970s Ford Pinto???"


:rolleyes:
 
name a battle implement that was constantly loved
by the poor, dumb bastard that had to wield it

6.8 might be the bees knees
until you need someone DRT with round 210
and your load out is 6, 30 round mags

i'm sure we could get a raging debate rolling over Phillips head or Standard
 
Oh poo ...... Plastic is so .... tactical. And besides the "in thing" right now is .17 caliber. It's even offered in snub-nosed revolvers, in rimfire yet. You folks just aint ... ah ..... cool.
 
Kaylee,

feh... talk about purple prose. Sounds more like an internet commando than a serious writer.

Purple prose is kinda Col. Hackworth's stock in trade; think of him as sort of R. Lee Ermey, only in the Army and an officer.

He's no internet commando, though; he's been there and done that in both Korea and Vietnam and has the citations to prove it.

(He's no gunsmith, either; his various anti-M9 rants make this one look like an engineering design brief. ;) )
 
Not that it needs said but....being in the military, winning medals and fighting in various conflicts doesn't necessarily make you an expert. Witness Wesley Clark, John Kerry and Tim McVeigh.

Hack is just that, a Hack.....I invite him, or anyone who thinks the M-16 is not an effective weapon when properly employed to stand at 400 yds and allow a competent rifleman to take a few shots at him. I'd lay even money that he'll change his tune post haste.
 
Amongst his ramblings in the back of About Face were impassioned screeds about how the Abrams and Brad were going to suck big rocks up off the ground. I read that one for the first time right after the first Gulf War. It was, in that light, good comedy material. :)
 
Well, I take all of Hackworth's writing with a healthy dose of salt. I believe some of his past criticisms of the Trijicon sights includes things like "short battery life", which considering the sight in question used tritium and had no batteries could arguably be true.

As for the XM8, I am willing to wait and see. I don't care for the optic system and I don't think an etched reticle is a suitable alternative to iron sights. Anything that obscures or destroys the optics will also render your etched reticle worthless.

15,000 rounds without lubrication or cleaning is impressive and if they were giving that option away with no tradeoffs on other factors, I'd sure take it. At the same time, I can't remember the last time I went 2,000 rounds without having time to clean or lubricate my rifle and I'm pretty lazy in that regard.

Add to that a bit of skepticism since this is essentially a marketing brochure from H&K claiming what the rifle can do. During the 2004 SHOT show, the demo XM8 reportedly did not run even 1,000 rounds without a stoppage, which puts it about on par with a parts kit AR-series weapon of dubious heritage.
 
>Sounds more like an internet commando than a serious writer.<

Internet commando? He was in Korea and Vietnam and a war correspondant after that. He is talking about a gun in a new calibernot 556 NATO although yes it is plastic too.

I don't know about the xm8 though
 
Louis Awerbuck said this about the new vaunted 6mm that the hibeens are foisting on our boys [paraphrased], "when I was a boy in SuidVestAfrika (Namibia for our youngsters), a 6 mm was prohibited for Springbok which is this friggin' high [holding hand just below waist] and weighed 90 pounds and ate grass. How those fools think that it would be enough to stop a man who is trying to kill you, I'll never understand."

Herrre's a clue for you.:D

I'm praying that the hibeens test this thing under every possible condition and scenario. Just make sure it goes bang when the boys want it to!
 
Internet commando? He was in Korea and Vietnam and a war correspondant after that.

As I said earlier, that doesn't make him an expert. John Kerry was in Viet Nam, he won medals, so does that make everything he says absolutely true and beyond reproach? Wesley Clark was the Commander of USAEUR forces and he couldn't pour piss out of a boot if the instructions were written on the sole. Tim McVeigh served in Operation Desert Storm, does that make what he said and did right?
 
Think of it as a 2005 Mercedes replacing a 1970s Ford Pinto

I'm in Germany right now, where Mercedes are surprisingly common - including many models USA folks don't see.

I recently rented one a 2004 Mercedes A-Class for a weekend. While it was certainly far better built than a Pinto, it's still a tiny low-power shoebox. Yes, for the category it is a far superior machine - but that didn't stop the rental agent from trying to talk me out of it for good reason.

So yes, I've recently lived the analogy.

Likewise, the XM-8 is superior to the M-4. Doesn't make much difference, because the category (.223) is wrong for the application.

Anyone see specs on an XM-8 firing something bigger?
 
Having used , M-1, M-14 and M-16 in combat for a decade, and the HK-91,93 and M-14 and finally FN-Fal in competition for 20 years: A well prepared (as our troops are currently fielding) M-4 is the deadliest platform on the planet within 150yards. Being first on target COUNTS big time and there is nothing better for this than an M-16 (M-4) the 6.8 is just a plus.;) :cool:
 
At the IACP conference, Barrett had a new caliber upper for an m-16 lower. I think it was 6.8mm. I think they also mention it on their website.
 
Amongst his ramblings in the back of About Face were impassioned screeds about how the Abrams and Brad were going to suck big rocks up off the ground.

I heard G. Gordon Liddy deliver a similar rant at a speaking engagement at Clarion University of Pennsylvania in the early 80's. He seemed to think that our military was doomed if we did not adopt the West German (Leopard?) tank. In retrospect, he wasn't just a little bit wrong...
 
Trijicon makes scope sights that take a battery. Hack writes inflammatory prose alright, but it does not invalidate his factual assertions.
 
Some people need to learn to read, both words and numbers.

6.8mm is 6.8mm not 6mm.

The 6.8 has already been tested on game and works fine.

BTW- 6.8 is damn near identical to .270, but that sucks as a hunting round right?:rolleyes:
 
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