The popularity of the FAL in America.

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Greetings all. In the past month or so I've noticed an increased interest in the FAL on this and other boards. Why is that? The cost of 7.62 ammo has doubled and sometimes even tripled in the last couple of years. Receivers are expensive and in short supply for the home builder. I will say, I have seen some very nice rifles for more than reasonable prices over on the falfiles however.

Did everyone just come to realize that the FAL is about the finest 7.62NATO battle rifle ever devised. That's what prompted me to order my first back in March or so. DSA surely does build a damn fine rifle. Please don't let this thread degenerate into a "MBR design war". I'm actually interested in the history/popularity of this fine weapon since it was first offered in America.

So come on you long time FAL fans. Entertain some of us relative FAL fan newbs with the history of the FAL in this country. Original FN imports. The "Golden age of kit building". The "Century era". Everything. Thanks in advance,

-jagd
 
Did everyone just come to realize that the FAL is about the finest 7.62NATO battle rifle ever devised.

We knew it all the time it's just taken a while for a supply to exist since Clinton and Bush I outlawed importing of the real thing.

Now that we have domestic makers it's catching back on. It was only about availability.

Anyway, it's "one of the finest" MBRs around for sure.
 
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Did everyone just come to realize that the FAL is about the finest 7.62NATO battle rifle ever devised. That's what prompted me to order my first back in March or so. DSA surely does build a damn fine rifle. Please don't let this thread degenerate into a "MBR design war".


LMAO....

With a statement asserting that the FAL is the finest 7.62 NATO MBR ever devised, you are begging for the very thing you asked that this not become-- a "design war."

hehe... that, my friend, is tossing the gauntlet down to a lot of folks. After all, they probably believe THEIR rifle is the best design ever built-- which prompted them to buy thiers.

I've had a FAL. I've had a HK-91. I like my Saiga 308. I like dusting it every now and then since my shooting it has dwindled off in recent months.



-- John
 
I love FALs. They are wonderful rifles. I definantly get looks in my part of the country with mine, especially when I take it to the deer camp.
 
I've always liked the FAL, but have gone away from it for the most part. The thing I don't like about it is that it is not easily scoped...
 
DSA has a nice scope mounting system which is quite popular. While it doesn't have any natural provisions for mounting a scope, it does lend itself to scoping very well since it mounts the optics very low, unlike an M14/M1A.
 
I've always liked the FAL, but have gone away from it for the most part. The thing I don't like about it is that it is not easily scoped...

Actually, the FAL is quite easily scoped.

Don

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I think the demise of the '94 AWB caused a sudden surge in the popularity of all "evil black rifles". ARs, AKs, FALs, M1As, etc have all become increasingly popular. Folks just seem to notice their favorites more.

Unfortunately, at about that same time surplus ammo and imported parts seemed to slow down to a trickle and get expensive. An ironic coincidence. :scrutiny:
 
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I like the FAL, but 'finest 7.62NATO battle rifle ever devised' is debatable. Of course, there aren't that many actual 7.62x51mm fighting rifles.

I suspect that a lot of the interest is because it's not a US design. Even so, if you look at the number of makers, and rifles sold, the M1A/M14 clones still have a much larger following and more are sold than FALs. FALs are more notable because you don't see them as often.
 
Thanks for the replies so far everyone. Another factor I suppose in the popularity of the FAL is the vast array of different models fielded. Izzys, Belgians, L1A1s, Paras, truely staggering. Hopefully someone will be along shortly with a "history lesson" of this rifle in the US.

-jagd
 
Mine:

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The optic is Truglo's Tru-Point red dot sight. I originally bought this for use in Iraq, but the mount still hadn't arrived before my time over there was up, so it just sat in a box until I got the FAL mount; figured I'd see if it can stand up to 7.62 Nato abuse - so far, so good.
 
jag, there has always been interest in the FAL here in the US. However, the availability of surplus M1s, Mausers, etc. rendered them a devotee's weapon. While the T48 floundered (chalk it up to Army politics or what have you), FN imported a semi-auto version (the G model) just after military sales began to rocket.

The FAL was offered by several domestic makers, e.g. Springfield Armory's SAR48, until the 1989 import ban (people always want what they cannot have) coupled with the wide availability of surplus "kit guns" and cheap mags in the '90s made the FAL extremely popular.

Shooters will always gravitate toward what is cheap initially and cheap to shoot and to what is available. They will then declare that model the "greatest ever." In the 1950s it was Mausers, now it's Mosin-Nagants (look at all the threads on THR) or CKCs (again look at all of the thread on THR).

Excellent design and a well-built weapon will provide many decades of service. It has its pros, it has its cons, just like any other weapon.
 
I guess I just don't see how they're popular. In the last few months I've been to many guns shops in 3 no-ban states and to a bunch of shooting ranges.

I've never seen a FAL in my life.
 
Saw one for the first time yesterday. They pack a lot of punch, and are cool. I think if I wanted a "battle rifle" as in terms of something to do like carbine courses and high volume shooting would probably be an AR or something but its on the higher up end of my "someday" list.
 
With a statement asserting that the FAL is the finest 7.62 NATO MBR ever devised, you are begging for the very thing you asked that this not become-- a "design war."

hehe... that, my friend, is tossing the gauntlet down to a lot of folks. After all, they probably believe THEIR rifle is the best design ever built-- which prompted them to buy thiers.

There is no design war or flame fest needed...the FAL platform speaks for itself...The amount of countries that adopted it as their MBR is only equalled or surpassed by the Mauser type rifles and the AK-47 and derivatives.

I've never seen a FAL in my life.

We knew you were coming and hid them from you.:D
 
i myself an an fn-fal owner, i absolutely love the weapon, but agree with those that say it all comes down to shooter preference. My younger brother has a setme .308, and he feels the same way about his weapon. anywho, the following info came from Wikipedia, enjoy!



In 1947, the first FN FAL prototype was completed. It was designed to fire the 7.92 mm Kurz patrone (short cartridge) developed and used by the forces of Nazi Germany during World War II (see StG44 assault rifle). After testing this prototype in 1948, the British Army urged FN to build additional prototypes, including one in bullpup configuration, chambered for their new .280 British calibre intermediate cartridge. After evaluating the single bullpup prototype, FN decided to return instead to their original, conventional design for future production.

In 1950, the United Kingdom presented the redesigned FN rifle and the British EM-2, both in .280 British calibre, to the United States for comparison testing against the favored United States Army design of the time - Earle Harvey's T25. It was hoped that a common cartridge and rifle could be standardized for issue to the armies of all NATO member countries. After this testing was completed, U.S. Army officials suggested that FN should redesign their rifle to fire the U.S. prototype '.30 Light Rifle' cartridge. FN decided to hedge their bets and cast their lot with the U.S., given that the UK appeared to be favoring their own EM-2.

In 1951, FN even made a deal with the U.S. that they could produce the FAL royalty-free in the U.S. This decision appeared to be correct when the British unilaterally decided to adopt the EM-2 and .280 British cartridge in the very same month. This decision was later rescinded after the Labour Party was ousted from control of Parliament and Winston Churchill returned as Prime Minister. It is believed that there was a quid-pro-quo agreement between Churchill and U.S. President Harry Truman in 1952 that the British accept the .30 Light Rifle cartridge as NATO standard in return for U.S. acceptance of the FN FAL as NATO standard. The .30 Light Rifle cartridge was in fact later standardized as the 7.62 mm NATO; however, the U.S. insisted on continued rifle tests. The FAL chambered for the .30 Light Rifle went up against the redesigned T25 (now redesignated as the T47), and an M1 Garand variant, the T44. Eventually, the T44 won out, becoming the M14. However, in the mean time, most other NATO countries were evaluating and selecting the FAL.

FN created what is possibly the classic post-war battle rifle. Formally introduced by its designers Dieudonne Saive and Ernest Vervier in 1951, and produced two years later, it has been described as the "right arm of the free world." The FAL battle rifle has its Warsaw Pact counterpart in the AK-47, each being fielded by dozens of countries and produced in many of them. A few, such as Israel and South Africa, manufactured and issued both designs at various times. Unlike the Russian AK-47 assault rifle, the FAL utilized a heavier full-power rifle cartridge. In the West, FAL's primary competitor was the German Heckler & Koch G3.

The FAL operates by means of a gas-operated action very similar to that of the Russian SVT-40. The gas system is driven by a short-stroke, spring-loaded piston housed above the barrel, and the locking mechanism is what is known as a tilting breechblock. To lock, it drops down into a solid shoulder of metal in the heavy receiver like the bolts of the Russian SKS carbine and French MAS-49 series of semi-automatic rifles. The FAL's magazine capacity ranges from 5 to 30 rounds, with most magazines holding 20 rounds.

Despite using a full-power .30 cartridge, the FAL's recoil is relatively light. This is due mainly to the rifle's weight, but also to its gas-operated design. In fully-automatic mode, however, the shooter receives considerable abuse from recoil, and the weapon climbs off- target quickly. Most military forces adopting the FAL eventually eliminated full-automatic firearms training in the light-barrel FAL.
 
and here's some more specifically on U.S. production.



The USA tested the FAL in several forms; initially as manufactured by FN in experimental configurations, and later in the final T48 configuration as an official competitor for the new US Light Self-Loading Rifle intended to replace the M1 Garand. The US Army procured T48 rifles from three firms for testing, including two US based companies in an effort to assess the manufacturability of the FN design in the USA. The T48 was manufactured for testing by Fabrique Nationale (FN), of Herstal, Belgium; Harrington & Richardson (H&R) of Worcester, Massachusetts; and the High Standard Company of Hartford, Connecticut. The United States also received a small number of FAL Heavy Barrel Rifles (HBAR) (either 50.41 or pre-50.41) for testing, under the designation T48E1, though none of these rifles were adopted by US.

The T48 competed against the T44 rifle. The T44 was a heavily modified version of the earlier M1 Garand. Testing proved the T48 and the T44 comparable in performance, with no clear winner. However, the supposed ease of production of the T44 upon machinery already in place for the M1 Garand and the similarity in the manual of arms for the T44 and M1 ultimately swayed the decision in the direction of the T44, which was adopted as the M14 rifle.

In the wake of World War II, the NATO "Rifle Steering Committee" was formed to encourage the adoption of a standardized NATO rifle. The Committee and the US interest in the FAL proved to be a turning point in the direction of the FAL's development. The US and NATO interest in small arms standardization was the primary reason why the FAL was redesigned to use the newly developed 7.62x51 mm NATO cartridge, instead of the intermediate cartridge designs originally tested by FN. Two political factors are worth noting: the US Government tacitly gave the nod to NATO, and specifically to the United Kingdom, that if the FAL were redesigned for the new US 7.62x51 mm cartridge, then the FAL would become acceptable to the US, and the US would presumably adopt the FAL rifle. Secondly, FN had indicated that it would allow former WWII Allied countries to produce the FAL design with no licensing or royalty costs as a gift to the Allies for the liberation of Belgium. Ultimately, the US chose to part with the other NATO members and adopt the M14 rifle, while the majority of NATO countries immediately adopted the FAL.

During the late 1980s and 1990s, many countries decommissioned the FAL from their armouries and sold them en masse to United States importers as surplus. The rifles were imported to the United States as fully-automatic machine guns. Once in the U.S., the FAL's were "de-militarized" (upper receiver destroyed) to eliminate the rifles' character as an automatic rifle. Thousands of the resulting "parts kits" were sold at generally low prices ($90 - $250) to hobbyists. The hobbyists rebuilt the parts kits to legal and functional semi-automatic rifles on new semi-automatic upper receivers. FAL rifles are still commercially available from a few domestic firms in semi-auto configuration: Entreprise Arms, DSA, and Century Arms until recently.
 
I looked up in a 70’s or 80’s vintage Gun Digest the price of a new FN made FAL. In today’s money it was something like $3,000. There are very few people who will spend that amount of cash . The FN was and is a very expensive rifle to manufacture.

The FN went out of inventory of most Armies about the same time, and twenty years later we in the US have been fortunate that military surplus arms are just about worthless. The US is one of the few countries where people can own firearms, and we have lots of restrictions, and the world is awash in old military surplus firearms that no one will buy.

Of course our evil Congress will not allow the importation of full up FN’s, but the parts kits from the demilled rifles made FN’s affordable.

Get them while you can. Once affordable parts kits dry up a completely new rifle will be again be very expensive.

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POPULAR!?!? I've never seen one in person. Ever. And I travel across the US more than many.

M14 and AR-10 variants on the other hand I see quite often.
 
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