The Puma .454 1892

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One of my biggest gripes has always been that most pistol cartridge leverguns have the painfully slow twist of 1-30" or 1-38". Why they did this is beyond me. It pretty much precludes heavy-for caliber bullets. Forget about anything over 300gr in the .44's and .45's. Which is fine because they're too long to feed through the mechanism anyway. Some enterprising folks have built custom rifles made to handle the longer, heavier bullets but that is an expensive proposition. One I've contemplated many times.

Enter the Puma .454. A little over 20yrs ago, Ruger made the .454 cartridge more popular than it had ever been. Through their use of exotic alloys, they were able to chamber it in the Super Redhawk and maintain its six shot capacity. When this happened, the levergun manufacturers set out to adapt one of their existing designs to the 65,000psi cartridge. None worked. Even the Winchester 94 and Marlin 336/1895 rifle actions could not handle a steady diet of full pressure loads and forget about 90,000psi proof loads. The wide body Winchester "Big Bore" did okay with reduced loads but everything else rapidly self destructed. The massive Japanese made 1886 could easily handle the pressure but who wants a 9lb .454 when the .45/70 is already available? The only one that came close to surviving was its little brother, the 1892. Nobody knows what changes, if any were made to the alloy to accommodate the cartridge but Rossi/Legacy made it happen and the result is seen here. This effectively eliminates the shortcomings of the existing guns. It not only has the capacity to handle all the pressure you can throw at it, whether in .454 Casull or .45Colt but it can handle the added length of heavy bullets. While the .454 does not sport a standard "fast" twist at 1-24", compared to 1-16" for the .45Colt, it is fast enough to stabilize up to 400gr bullets in revolvers so should do fine in the rifle.

I've been eyeballing this rifle in a local shop for months, maybe a year. It belonged to the same collector that owned the 1953 Winchester 94 carbine I picked up last year. I never brought it home because it was still NIB and had carried a collector premium as these guns are no longer made. This week I decided I couldn't take it any more. There was a brand new and really nice Rossi .44 right next to it but it still has the slow twist and I already have two Marlins. I have yet to put it on paper but I'm excited. The only ammo I have loaded are Buffalo Bore 360gr .454 and Garrett 405gr "Redhawk only" .45Colt loads. Both breezed through the smooth action like butter on glass. I nearly peed. I only fired three rounds of the 360's and recoil is not bad at all, for what it is. It sure rang the steel plates nice and hard! Some people may wrinkle their forehead when I say this but I look at this rifle as a proper buffalo stomper. I've just got to figure out the sight situation because those fiber optics have to go. It needs a peep.

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It's actually got some decent wood.
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Mine feeds the heavies fine, but doesn’t seem to shoot them anywhere near as consistently as a jacketed 300 grainer like the xtp mag or the speer deep curl. I hated the sights on mine too, I modified mine into an express sight which I like alot. A bit of filing and white nail polish. In my opinion it kicks pretty hard. Its a pretty light gun with a skinny rearward sloping butt stock which can smack your cheek pretty good under recoil. I would totally use it on any big game though.
 

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I have been waiting for the vaporware Citadel 454 for some months now. I have considered the Big Horn Armory 460 or 454 several times. I may just have to snag one of these Pumas up even at pandemic prices.

I like the idea of the 454 more so as a hot loaded heavy bullet 45 Colt shooter at longer COALs. The faster twist is very appealing as well.
 
If I see one I'll grab it for sure, within reason. I won't pay $1500 for one, just can't justify that cost for what it is. The prices I've seen have all been too high, hoping to see that citadel model on the shelves and for a price I can stomach- not a fan of the furniture .
The bighorn armory guns are nice but no chance I would ever pay what they charge. I wish they'd produce a less polished/less fancy version for the common man that plans to drag it around the woods.
 
I'm hoping Ruger breaths new life into the lever market with a 10mm, 454 Casull and 460 offering.

I would be okay with a .45LC rifle that can digest any level .45 ammo with a twist rate correct for the heaviest appropriate rifle hunting loads.

It is my understanding that the Rossi Puma gives in with .454 loads as well. It might be possible to increase the working pressure of the 336 action by compacting it and adding twin lugs.
 
I would be okay with a .45LC rifle that can digest any level .45 ammo with a twist rate correct for the heaviest appropriate rifle hunting loads.

It is my understanding that the Rossi Puma gives in with .454 loads as well. It might be possible to increase the working pressure of the 336 action by compacting it and adding twin lugs.

That even in itself would be a welcome addition. Like @CraigC said the twist rate engineers at these companies should have to pay penance for their crimes.
 
One of my biggest gripes has always been that most pistol cartridge leverguns have the painfully slow twist of 1-30" or 1-38". Why they did this is beyond me. It pretty much precludes heavy-for caliber bullets. Forget about anything over 300gr in the .44's and .45's. Which is fine because they're too long to feed through the mechanism anyway. Some enterprising folks have built custom rifles made to handle the longer, heavier bullets but that is an expensive proposition. One I've contemplated many times.

Enter the Puma .454. A little over 20yrs ago, Ruger made the .454 cartridge more popular than it had ever been. Through their use of exotic alloys, they were able to chamber it in the Super Redhawk and maintain its six shot capacity. When this happened, the levergun manufacturers set out to adapt one of their existing designs to the 65,000psi cartridge. None worked. Even the Winchester 94 and Marlin 336/1895 rifle actions could not handle a steady diet of full pressure loads and forget about 90,000psi proof loads. The wide body Winchester "Big Bore" did okay with reduced loads but everything else rapidly self destructed. The massive Japanese made 1886 could easily handle the pressure but who wants a 9lb .454 when the .45/70 is already available? The only one that came close to surviving was its little brother, the 1892. Nobody knows what changes, if any were made to the alloy to accommodate the cartridge but Rossi/Legacy made it happen and the result is seen here. This effectively eliminates the shortcomings of the existing guns. It not only has the capacity to handle all the pressure you can throw at it, whether in .454 Casull or .45Colt but it can handle the added length of heavy bullets. While the .454 does not sport a standard "fast" twist at 1-24", compared to 1-16" for the .45Colt, it is fast enough to stabilize up to 400gr bullets in revolvers so should do fine in the rifle.

I've been eyeballing this rifle in a local shop for months, maybe a year. It belonged to the same collector that owned the 1953 Winchester 94 carbine I picked up last year. I never brought it home because it was still NIB and had carried a collector premium as these guns are no longer made. This week I decided I couldn't take it any more. There was a brand new and really nice Rossi .44 right next to it but it still has the slow twist and I already have two Marlins. I have yet to put it on paper but I'm excited. The only ammo I have loaded are Buffalo Bore 360gr .454 and Garrett 405gr "Redhawk only" .45Colt loads. Both breezed through the smooth action like butter on glass. I nearly peed. I only fired three rounds of the 360's and recoil is not bad at all, for what it is. It sure rang the steel plates nice and hard! Some people may wrinkle their forehead when I say this but I look at this rifle as a proper buffalo stomper. I've just got to figure out the sight situation because those fiber optics have to go. It needs a peep.

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Ok quit stalling, what did you have to give for it?! NIB? Wow. All joking aside, the puma 454 is the one levergun I REALLY want. It just makes sense to me.
 
That's a great write up and congratulations on a nice rifle. It appears that someone did get the .45-454 thing right.
I may have to retire my ' M94 Win .45 Colt and get some really impressive loads going on.
 
Congratulations! I must admit a little envy. I have an H&R carbine reamed to 454 and its awesome. A repeater would be more awesomer ;)

That wood is also not Rossi's usual rainforest mystery wood bathed in brown paint. Nicely figured straight grain. There were some issues with the early Puma's and separating mag tubes. I understood that was fixed fairly quickly and that the home gunsmith fix was not onerous if needed. I think there's a Paco Kelly article on it?

Great find. Good decision. :D
 
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I have been waiting for the vaporware Citadel 454 for some months now. I have considered the Big Horn Armory 460 or 454 several times. I may just have to snag one of these Pumas up even at pandemic prices.

I like the idea of the 454 more so as a hot loaded heavy bullet 45 Colt shooter at longer COALs. The faster twist is very appealing as well.
Me too. Mine will probably eat more heavy .45Colt than anything. I'm eyeballing Brian Pearce's 50,000psi "Redhawk only" data.


Ok quit stalling, what did you have to give for it?! NIB? Wow. All joking aside, the puma 454 is the one levergun I REALLY want. It just makes sense to me.
I paid an even grand for it. Had to cut the factory tags off it before I shot it. :p


If I see one I'll grab it for sure, within reason. I won't pay $1500 for one, just can't justify that cost for what it is. The prices I've seen have all been too high, hoping to see that citadel model on the shelves and for a price I can stomach- not a fan of the furniture .
The bighorn armory guns are nice but no chance I would ever pay what they charge. I wish they'd produce a less polished/less fancy version for the common man that plans to drag it around the woods.
Every time I start thinking serious about one, I remember what a nice 1886 you can get for less money. Sadly, I don't have either so I guess it's not very productive pondering.
 
Every time I start thinking serious about one, I remember what a nice 1886 you can get for less money. Sadly, I don't have either so I guess it's not very productive pondering.
You're right, no use thinking about what I don't have. For me, it's a convenience thing. I dabble in 45-70 and don't NEED a 45 caliber carbine but if I had a nice handy rifle that liked heavy 45 colt/454 casull I could streamline things a bit. I can easily best a 454 casull with a moderate 45-70 load but that's separate cartridges I need to pack and separate bullets & powder to obtain . anything I use a 45-70 for could be produced by a 454 rifle. I just have a hard time coughing up the money it costs to get there, I'm not cheap but I'm not rich.
paid an even grand for it.
I would have jumped at that too. $1000 is doable , 50%++ more is hard. I didn't even pay $1,000 for a pristine freedom arms 83 I bought last year, that revolver is a treasure to me and I wouldn't sell it for double what I paid .

But like you so wisely said, it's not productive to ponder on it...
Can't launch heavy lead at high velocity out of hopes and dreams, you need the real thing and the real deal cost $$$.


Well I'm off to cry into my ramen:oops::cuss::alien::alien::alien:
 
I paid an even grand for it. Had to cut the factory tags off it before I shot it. :p

Every time I start thinking serious about one, I remember what a nice 1886 you can get for less money. Sadly, I don't have either so I guess it's not very productive pondering.

That’s a very good price right now.

I like the 454 in a lever action as opposed to 45-70 since I hunt in a straight wall area that limits case length to 1.8”. I could get both but the 454 would get used more often. That is why the Big Horn is appealing. It would get used a lot.
 
I only fired three rounds of the 360's and recoil is not bad at all, for what it is.

I think they only put recoil pads on the heavy calibers like yours, that has to help. I've heard people complain about shooting .44 Mag in them, my .357 is a joy.

If yours has the typical Rossi penchant for tossing the empties quite a distance, a hardware store Century C-530 spring will replace the factory ejector spring. In addition to then dropping them at your feet, it will also lessen the force necessary to work the action.

Nice looking gun, good luck with it!
 
You're right, no use thinking about what I don't have. For me, it's a convenience thing. I dabble in 45-70 and don't NEED a 45 caliber carbine but if I had a nice handy rifle that liked heavy 45 colt/454 casull I could streamline things a bit. I can easily best a 454 casull with a moderate 45-70 load but that's separate cartridges I need to pack and separate bullets & powder to obtain . anything I use a 45-70 for could be produced by a 454 rifle. I just have a hard time coughing up the money it costs to get there, I'm not cheap but I'm not rich.
I don't know, something keeps me from it. Can't quite nail down what it is. I love swanky rifles but for some reason it's easier to spend a bunch of money on a custom revolver than a rifle. After looking at both websites again, I'd be more likely to order a custom 1886 from Turnbull than a Big Horn. I can tell you part of that is the traditional finishes over carbon steel from Turnbull. While the Big Horns are all stainless. One of the Pedersoli 71's is more likely to find its way to my stable though.

I do really like the idea of such a potent cartridge as the .454 in a lightweight carbine like the 1892. Need to put it on the scale.


I would have jumped at that too. $1000 is doable , 50%++ more is hard. I didn't even pay $1,000 for a pristine freedom arms 83 I bought last year, that revolver is a treasure to me and I wouldn't sell it for double what I paid .
Now that I've looked around, $1000 was a better deal than I previous thought. Especially for one still new.


I think they only put recoil pads on the heavy calibers like yours, that has to help. I've heard people complain about shooting .44 Mag in them, my .357 is a joy.

If yours has the typical Rossi penchant for tossing the empties quite a distance, a hardware store Century C-530 spring will replace the factory ejector spring. In addition to then dropping them at your feet, it will also lessen the force necessary to work the action.

Nice looking gun, good luck with it!
They do and it does. Though I've always heard folks complain about .44's and I always thought it was relatively mild. More pleasant to shoot than your average .30-30.

Based on my very limited experience of three rounds, it doesn't look like over-zealous ejection is going to be a problem. They piled at the muzzle in front of me.
 
Mine tore the magazine tube from the reciever. After a half dozen rounds. Took over 6 months to get parts from Rossi.

I have to shim the front sight to keep it in place and it is about as far to the left as it can go just to get it to shoot straight.

But... it's a stainless 454 lever gun and it shoots as well as I can.
 
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